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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub |
| Date | 2016-03-29 10:35 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Mar29.123547@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <nd8oi7$6nd$1@dont-email.me> <2016Mar27.161527@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <ndd9e4$kgm$1@dont-email.me> <2016Mar29.103958@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <nddjoi$m4h$1@dont-email.me> |
Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
>On 29/03/2016 09:39, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
>>> On 27/03/2016 15:15, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>>> Two more characters to type and read
>>>
>>> Trivial objections, people read a word not individual characters,
>>
>> If the characters of a word are on one line, yes. However, if the
>> filename becomes so long that it does not fit in a line (including the
>> "bautiful" directory path that has long directory names for similar
>> reasons, the whole thing becomes very hard to read. And that happens
>> in reality. E.g., here are three lines from the output of "locate
>> Aufgabe1.java" on a system:
>>
>> /nfs/a5/anton/pk/pk16s_uebungen/Aufgaben/Aufgabenblatt1/Aufgabenblatt1Studenten/Aufgabenblatt1/Aufgabe1/tasks/Aufgabe1.java
>> /nfs/a5/anton/pk/pk16s_uebungen/Aufgaben/Aufgabenblatt2/Aufgabenblatt1Studenten/Aufgabenblatt1/Aufgabe1/tasks/Aufgabe1.java
>> /nfs/a5/anton/pk/pk16s_uebungen/Aufgaben/Aufgabenblatt2/Aufgabenblatt2Studenten/Aufgabenblatt2/Aufgabe1/tasks/Aufgabe1.java
>>
>> Do you find that easy to read? On an 80-character-wide window?
>
>Of course not but the file extension doesn't contribute to the
>unreadability of those examples.
It's not the decisive factor here, but it certainly contributes.
There are also cases where the line is just a character or two too
long.
>> Concise file names do not just make for easier reading, but also for
>> easier writing.
>
>So why did you use such long names in your examples?
These are filenames occuring in reality. I did not choose them (well,
I had a hand in the "/nfs/a5/anton/pk" part, but that's all). The
person who chose them certainly had some reason for doing it, maybe he
even assumed it would help readability.
>> A library writer may find it more important to support such
>> programmers than to follow our hypothetical .forth recommendation.
>> Overall, while the sector of the Forth community that is directly
>> affected by this limitation may be small, it can have far more
>> wide-spread effects, because we are in a connected world.
>>
>> The issue at hand is to improve interoperability, and ignoring
>> embedded systems for aesthetic reasons does not serve that purpose.
>
>It's a pity that limitations in one part of the community dictate what
>happens in the whole community.
That is life; a well-known example for this kind of principle is
<http://www.astrodigital.org/space/stshorse.html>.
>ISTM that the above is an argument for
>having two 'standard' extensions, one a 3 character extension for the
>embedded systems that use FAT, the other for the desktop systems etc
>that can use something like .forth.
So what should a library writer use who writes a library that makes
sense for both embedded and desktop systems?
- anton
--
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File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-26 08:15 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 00:53 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 07:32 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 21:29 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:21 +0000
relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:25 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:35 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-28 19:58 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:42 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 11:33 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-29 15:34 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 12:31 -0400
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-30 14:21 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 10:35 -0400
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 16:58 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 12:29 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-29 11:47 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub mhx@iae.nl - 2016-03-27 01:36 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-27 15:19 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 19:51 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 08:01 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-27 15:00 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 14:15 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 08:13 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-29 00:15 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 09:45 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 08:39 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 11:09 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 10:35 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 14:23 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 16:47 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-30 12:14 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bob Butler <bob@work.com> - 2016-03-30 11:11 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 14:10 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 14:00 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-30 17:27 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 16:47 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 09:41 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:34 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:17 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:24 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-28 10:51 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-03-28 18:35 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 08:05 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:12 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-29 00:42 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 09:55 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 10:23 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 14:09 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-27 15:20 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub "Steve(spt)" <steven@jupiter-ace.co.uk> - 2016-03-28 06:44 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-03-30 08:49 +0200
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