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Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...)

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...)
Date 2016-03-29 07:42 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2016Mar29.094254@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) writes:
>Hey, you have to be able to read! I said "of the form %xxx%". Section
>18.4 of the VFX Forth for Linux manual, entitled "System Defined
>Macros", describes the IDIR macro, which expands relative to the file
>currently being INCLUDEd. 

Ok, I changed lib/lib.fs as follows:

include %IDIR%/part.fs

(after first trying "%IDIR%part.fs" unsuccessfully), and it works:

[~/tmp/vfxtest:87029] vfxlin "include main.fs"
VFX Forth for Linux IA32 Version: 4.72 [build 0555]
Including main.fs
Including lib/lib.fs
Including %IDIR%/part.fspart

The last "part" is the output of the program.

>That Linux culture seems to prevent people reading manuals is a shame.

Not really sure what "Linux culture" has to do with it, whatever that
may be.

I do read manuals for software and other products, but life's too
short to read every manual for every product, and it is much too short
for rereading manuals all the time to search for things that may have
changed, or that may be there but hard to find.

I have had a longer look at the VFX manual at least once.  For
everyday use, it has several problems:

1) It's in an inconvenient format, and is hidden somewhere in the
depths of the file system.  When I need information about, say, xpdf,
I say "man xpdf", and I get the man page.  For the VFX manual, I first
have to find out the file name and locateion:

locate -i vfx|grep .pdf

About two dozen hits, but the right one is among them and viewed with

xpdf /usr/local/VfxLinEval/Doc/VfxLin.pdf

Anyway, quite a hurdle right at the start.

2) On various occasions I tried to find things in the VFX manual, and
failed.  IIRC your suggested remedy was to read the whole manual
instead of just searching for the thing I needed at the moment.  Of
course, my conclusion was not to use the VFX manual unless I have time
to read all of it and the task is worth that effort.

In this particular case, there is no mention of something of the form
%xxx% in the description of INCLUDE, nor in the whole chapter on
files.  The next place to look up would be the chapter that contains
SUBSTITUTE.  So if I look SUBSTITUTE up in the index (which indexes
only Forth words, not concepts or anything else), I get to chapter
31.4, which contains no mention of system-defined macros.

- anton
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      Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 21:29 +0000
        Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:21 +0000
          relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:25 +0000
            Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:35 +0000
              Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-28 19:58 +0000
              Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:42 +0000
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