Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub

From	Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub
Date	2016-03-29 11:09 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 29/03/2016 09:39, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
>> On 27/03/2016 15:15, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> Two more characters to type and read
>>
>> Trivial objections, people read a word not individual characters,
>
> If the characters of a word are on one line, yes.  However, if the
> filename becomes so long that it does not fit in a line (including the
> "bautiful" directory path that has long directory names for similar
> reasons, the whole thing becomes very hard to read.  And that happens
> in reality.  E.g., here are three lines from the output of "locate
> Aufgabe1.java" on a system:
>
> /nfs/a5/anton/pk/pk16s_uebungen/Aufgaben/Aufgabenblatt1/Aufgabenblatt1Studenten/Aufgabenblatt1/Aufgabe1/tasks/Aufgabe1.java
> /nfs/a5/anton/pk/pk16s_uebungen/Aufgaben/Aufgabenblatt2/Aufgabenblatt1Studenten/Aufgabenblatt1/Aufgabe1/tasks/Aufgabe1.java
> /nfs/a5/anton/pk/pk16s_uebungen/Aufgaben/Aufgabenblatt2/Aufgabenblatt2Studenten/Aufgabenblatt2/Aufgabe1/tasks/Aufgabe1.java
>
> Do you find that easy to read?  On an 80-character-wide window?

Of course not but the file extension doesn't contribute to the 
unreadability of those examples. My comment was just about the file 
extension, .java in your examples which is easy to read and locate in 
the overall name.

>
> Concise file names do not just make for easier reading, but also for
> easier writing.

So why did you use such long names in your examples?

>> In my ignorance I don't understand this. Can you give an example of a
>> scenario in which Microsoft would sue someone for using .forth as an
>> extension.
>
> They probably won't sue a Forth programmer for using .forth, but they
> might sue his employer for supporting VFAT in an embedded system.  So
> the employer might chose not to support VFAT, and instead support
> plain FAT.  Which would mean that the Forth programmer working for
> this employer cannot use .forth, and he cannot use libraries that use
> the .forth extension.
>
> A library writer may find it more important to support such
> programmers than to follow our hypothetical .forth recommendation.
> Overall, while the sector of the Forth community that is directly
> affected by this limitation may be small, it can have far more
> wide-spread effects, because we are in a connected world.
>
> The issue at hand is to improve interoperability, and ignoring
> embedded systems for aesthetic reasons does not serve that purpose.

It's a pity that limitations in one part of the community dictate what 
happens in the whole community. ISTM that the above is an argument for 
having two 'standard' extensions, one a 3 character extension for the 
embedded systems that use FAT, the other for the desktop systems etc 
that can use something like .forth.

-- 
Gerry

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File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-26 08:15 +0000
  Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 00:53 +0000
    Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 07:32 +0000
      Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 21:29 +0000
        Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:21 +0000
          relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:25 +0000
            Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:35 +0000
              Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-28 19:58 +0000
              Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:42 +0000
                Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 11:33 +0000
                Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-29 15:34 +0000
                Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 12:31 -0400
                Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-30 14:21 +0000
                Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 10:35 -0400
                Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 16:58 +0000
        Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 12:29 +0000
          Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-29 11:47 +0000
    Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub mhx@iae.nl - 2016-03-27 01:36 -0700
    Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-27 15:19 +0000
  Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 19:51 -0700
    Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 08:01 +0000
      Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-27 15:00 +0100
        Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 14:15 +0000
          Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 08:13 +0100
            Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-29 00:15 -0700
              Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 09:45 +0000
            Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 08:39 +0000
              Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 11:09 +0100
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 10:35 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 14:23 +0100
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 16:47 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-30 12:14 +0100
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bob Butler <bob@work.com> - 2016-03-30 11:11 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 14:10 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 14:00 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-30 17:27 +0100
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 16:47 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 09:41 -0700
        Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:34 +0000
          Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:17 +0000
            Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:24 +0000
              Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-28 10:51 -0700
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-03-28 18:35 -0700
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 08:05 +0100
              Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:12 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-29 00:42 -0700
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 09:55 +0000
                Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 10:23 +0000
    Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 14:09 +0000
    Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-27 15:20 +0000
  Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub "Steve(spt)" <steven@jupiter-ace.co.uk> - 2016-03-28 06:44 -0700
  Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-03-30 08:49 +0200

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