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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub |
| Date | 2016-03-27 07:32 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Mar27.093254@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
| References | <2016Mar26.091504@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <nd7aus$hdb$1@dont-email.me> |
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:
>Am Sat, 26 Mar 2016 08:15:04 +0000 schrieb Anton Ertl:
>> So we decided that theforth.net uses .4th as default file extension
>> (essentially for package.4th). Now the question is if we should not
>> move in that direction as a community in general. I.e., add .4th as
>> extension to various tools we support, and use .4th as extension in new
>> projects, or maybe even in new files in old projects.
...
>As user, I would absolutely hate it when the next release of my Forth
>system would break all my programs which include some system library,
>just because the maintainer had changed all the extensions.
That's why I did not suggest changing existing files.
>So, in order
>to make a change of file extensions possible, we would first need to
>specify that INCLUDE works even when you don't specify the extension.
That would not help existing code that contains the file extension.
Of course, if we wanted to support changing the extension of existing
files, these words could try the filename with the new extension if
the file name with the old extension does not work. But it is simpler
not to change existing files.
>Judging from the past discussions about source file names, I think that
>any approach that nails it down to one particular way of processing file
>names will not be accepted.
True. One more reason not to change existing files.
> "We have done it this way for 20 years, and
>you don't want to wade through 1 million lines of code and change it",
>and I think yes, that's reasonable.
Actually, I did not hear that argument when discussing the directories
RfDs. It was more like "We don't have this problem (we build programs
on only one system and deliver binaries, so setting up the directories
for finding the source code in the source code is the way to do it;
and we use SUBSTITUTE for that, and that's the best thing since sliced
bread, and it will make your proposal unnecessary), so what you
propose is unnecessary."
>So my proposal would be in that direction: Push that actual semantics out
>of the standard into a library, and just make sure the necessary plugin
>interface is standardized. That would allow us to say "require some-
>packet" and the logic behind expanding filenames in require could say "ok,
>there's no file for that in the search path, but let's look in
>theforth.net package list, if we find one - and if so, download that, and
>include it", which would be part of the fget include. You probably don't
>want to have this on open-file, though... so the plugin mechanism must be
>able to distinguish between these cases.
Interesting idea. Now if two libraries use their own plug-ins, how to
combine that? And how do you overcome the "we don't have this
problem" attitude?
- anton
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File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-26 08:15 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 00:53 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 07:32 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-27 21:29 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:21 +0000
relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:25 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:35 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-03-28 19:58 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:42 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 11:33 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-29 15:34 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 12:31 -0400
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-30 14:21 +0000
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2016-03-30 10:35 -0400
Re: relative file names and INCLUDED (was: File extensions ...) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 16:58 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 12:29 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-29 11:47 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub mhx@iae.nl - 2016-03-27 01:36 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-27 15:19 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-26 19:51 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 08:01 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-27 15:00 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 14:15 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 08:13 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-29 00:15 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 09:45 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 08:39 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 11:09 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 10:35 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 14:23 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 16:47 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-30 12:14 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Bob Butler <bob@work.com> - 2016-03-30 11:11 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 14:10 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 14:00 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-30 17:27 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-30 16:47 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-03-29 09:41 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 13:34 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-28 14:17 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-28 15:24 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-28 10:51 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2016-03-28 18:35 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-03-29 08:05 +0100
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 07:12 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-29 00:42 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-03-29 09:55 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-29 10:23 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-03-27 14:09 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-03-27 15:20 +0000
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub "Steve(spt)" <steven@jupiter-ace.co.uk> - 2016-03-28 06:44 -0700
Re: File extensions and Gforth on Openhub Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-03-30 08:49 +0200
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