Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs
Date	2016-07-23 06:58 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> writes:
>It's interesting that the biggest ANS opponents were the Forth hardware guy=
>s. It's as if ANS was geared to use all four flags in CPUs designed to run =
>C code: Overflow, Carry, Minus and Zero. Of course all architectures going =
>forward have to support C, so that was the main target of ANS. So, : < - 0<=
> ; is nonstandard in one case that will probably never happen in practice.

C code does not need these flags, and indeed, architectures like Alpha
have been designed for C that do not have these flags.  They seem to
be a pretty useful result of common ALU designs, although apparently
not compelling enough to design them into every architecture.  Apart
from Alpha, MIPS does not have them, and in particular, at best you
can trap on overflow in Alpha and the original MIPS (recently MIPS has
acquired a way to test for overflow without incurring a trap or
long-winded computations).  There is no carry flag at all in these
architectures, but you can work around that relatively cheaply.

Anyway, programming languages, including C and Forth normally don't
make flags explicit, so architectures have quite a lot of freedom in
their design in this area.  And given that standard Forth runs on
Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC (which also deviates from the NZCV scheme), and
IA-64 (another deviation), it is obviously not limited to
architectures with these flags.  Sure, someone designed +LOOP too
cleverly to make use of the oVerflow flag, and you need a few extra
instructions on Alpha and classical MIPS for that, but that's small
change.

As for the circular comparison

: < - 0< ;

that's not any more efficient than the standard Forth (since Forth-79,
although with 0/1 instead of 0/-1 in Forth-83...2012) pair of < and
U<, on either Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC, or IA-64 (I think it takes an
additional instruction on IA-64).  What circular comparison gives us
is having just one less-than instead of two.

As for the difference not happening in practice, I am pretty sure that
it does happen, especially with smaller cell sizes, or they would not
have standardized on two less-than words rather than one in Forth-79
when memory was at a premium.  But you can check it yourself, by
defining < and u< to do both the standard and the circular comparison,
and reporting the cases when the results differ.

>But now that the dust has settled, what are the most popular objections to =
>the ANS way of doing things?

1) It's too big for the smallest systems, and includes features that
   are not needed for these systems.

2) It does not contain certain features the objector considers important.

3) It's too loosely defined.

4) It's too tightly defined (e.g., : < - 0< ; is not a standard
   implementation of < :-)

5) Chuck Moore stopped participating in Forth-94 and does not see much
   value in any standard.

The cool thing is that 1 and 2 often come from the same person, as
well as 3 and 4.  Moreover, between the objectors, the perceived sets
of missing and superfluous features usually don't have that much
overlap, as well as the areas where the standard is too tightly or too
loosely specified in their opinion.  In those cases where many people
agree on such issues, one can standardize them (however,
de-standardizing is something that is not done lightly, and takes a
lot of time).

Concerning reason 5, that's a good reason to do your own thing, just
like Chuck Moore, and the implementors of a number of non-standard
systems.  Note that these system implementors generally don't waste
any time objecting to the standard; they don't need it, so they also
don't object to it.

- anton
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Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 07:09 -0700
  Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 07:21 -0700
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-21 14:58 +0000
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 11:23 -0700
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 12:42 -0700
  Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-21 12:40 -1000
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 17:07 -0700
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-21 19:32 -0500
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-21 17:40 -0700
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 17:50 -0700
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-21 19:53 -0500
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 06:58 +0300
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 06:54 +0300
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-22 06:48 +0000
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 00:19 -0700
              Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-22 02:33 -0500
              Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 10:45 +0300
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 19:41 -0700
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 20:52 -0700
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 11:22 -0400
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-07-22 10:49 -0500
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 11:16 -0400
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 22:11 -0700
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-22 06:32 +0000
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 23:58 -0700
  Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 17:02 -0700
  Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 17:06 -0700
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 17:11 -0700
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-21 15:57 -1000
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-22 13:25 +1000
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 20:24 -0700
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-07-22 11:32 +0000
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 12:49 -0700
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 23:10 -0700
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 22:36 -0700
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 20:58 -0700
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 21:56 -0700
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 23:38 -0700
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 10:43 -0700
              Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 10:56 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 14:18 -0400
              Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-22 08:55 -1000
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-25 11:34 +0000
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 11:36 -0400
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-07-22 11:15 +0200
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 11:37 -0400
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-22 08:56 -1000
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-24 13:16 +1000
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 12:58 -0700
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-25 18:09 +1000
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-24 22:34 -1000
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-27 23:08 +1000
              Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-27 08:58 -1000
                CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-28 09:17 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-29 00:19 +1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-28 14:54 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 10:00 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-29 21:47 +1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2016-07-29 15:04 +0200
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-30 18:42 +1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-29 15:05 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-30 02:21 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-31 13:05 +1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-30 21:24 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-31 19:07 -0500
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-01 06:24 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-01 06:14 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-08-02 10:45 +1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-02 06:59 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 00:34 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 13:57 +0200
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 06:19 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-02 15:28 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-08-02 13:34 -0500
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-03 07:32 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-08-03 11:51 -0500
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-04 08:21 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-08-04 13:18 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-08-04 14:02 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-08-04 12:26 -0500
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 07:24 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 07:36 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 12:14 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 12:17 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-08-06 13:35 +1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash (was: Dictionary separated ...) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 07:20 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-08-02 13:43 -0500
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-28 09:19 -1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-29 05:15 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-28 21:50 -1000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-29 08:24 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 10:08 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 15:06 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-30 06:22 +0000
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-30 01:07 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-30 01:30 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 10:17 -0700
                Re: CREATE...DOES> etc. and flash hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-30 00:51 -0700
  Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 05:20 -0700
    Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-22 13:06 +0000
      Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 08:13 -0700
        Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-22 09:09 -1000
          Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 14:08 -0700
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 15:24 -0700
              Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 20:12 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-22 17:36 -1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 21:54 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 22:03 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 22:00 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 22:19 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-22 20:40 -1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-07-23 22:23 +1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 15:48 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 16:04 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 19:31 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 17:20 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 17:54 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 21:27 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 19:18 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 22:25 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 20:39 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 23:32 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 00:30 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-24 21:36 -1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 00:46 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 09:19 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 12:35 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 12:32 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-24 17:48 -1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 23:09 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 12:43 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-23 06:58 +0000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-23 04:02 -0500
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 10:43 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-23 10:48 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 10:53 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 11:24 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-24 03:33 -0500
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 08:16 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-25 04:28 -0500
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-27 11:59 +0000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:36 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 10:44 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 11:36 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 11:53 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-27 09:09 -1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 12:47 -0700
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                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs all2001@spambog.com (Wolfgang Allinger) - 2016-07-27 18:20 -0300
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 19:40 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 19:56 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 00:44 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-27 16:14 -0500
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 18:38 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 16:03 -0400
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 21:09 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs missycurl@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 21:13 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-07-27 15:25 +0000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 02:53 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2016-07-27 09:44 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 13:06 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 15:36 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-24 12:43 -1000
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 15:53 -0700
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-07-25 04:32 -0500
                Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@nothishetnet.nl> - 2016-07-23 14:47 +0200
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-07-22 12:24 -1000
            Re: Dictionary separated from code ... PROS and CONs Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 19:47 -0700
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