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Re: Compiled Forth

From Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Compiled Forth
Date 2015-04-06 21:16 +0200
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References (2 earlier) <87y4m64d3o.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <mft6tp$i58$1@dont-email.me> <87a8yl4wkx.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <2015Apr6.141031@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <87h9stayeh.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net>

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On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:45:42 -0700
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
> > have typed operations.  B@ B! BDUP BDROP etc.  ...  The main
> > disadvantage is that you have to deal with all references to bignums
> > using these words.  E.g., no bulk copying or erasing of memory that
> > may contain such references.
> 
> What happens if you want to allocate an object that contains bignums,
> strings, and other stuff, and free it later?  Would you use something
> like OOP with destructors that you'd have to set up to decrement the
> refcounted variables?
> 
> > Reference counting has not caught on in Forth yet.  Not sure if this
> > is due to the disadvantages, or because most Forthers prefer
> > lower-level storage management anyway.
> 
> Is anyone using your gc?  Tracing seems preferable to refcounts in
> most ways I can think of.

Except that tracing is awfully slow when using large container
with data structure that has pointers.
This is large problem with every GC-ed language.

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Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-04 12:02 -0700
  Re: Compiled Forth "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-04-04 14:43 -1000
    Re: Compiled Forth hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-04-04 18:16 -0700
      Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 10:58 -0700
    Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 10:52 -0700
      Re: Compiled Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-06 15:35 +0000
        Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 08:51 -0700
          Re: Compiled Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2015-04-06 15:32 -0700
            Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 16:28 -0700
              Re: Compiled Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2015-04-08 13:58 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-08 14:41 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-04-08 14:01 -1000
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 00:06 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-10 16:48 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 10:23 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-10 18:04 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 10:31 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-09 17:57 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 11:06 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 09:17 -0700
        Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 09:01 -0700
  Re: Compiled Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-05 09:32 +0000
    Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 11:02 -0700
      Re: Compiled Forth "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-04-06 18:35 +1000
  Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-05 09:52 +0000
    Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 11:20 -0700
    Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-05 11:57 -0700
      Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 12:05 -0700
        Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-05 12:47 -0700
          Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 13:36 -0700
            Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-05 13:57 -0700
              Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 14:37 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-05 15:10 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-05 15:23 -0700
      Re: Compiled Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 08:52 +0300
        Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-05 23:09 -0700
          Re: Compiled Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 10:12 +0300
          Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 00:15 -0700
            Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 01:05 -0700
              Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 01:27 -0700
            Re: Compiled Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-06 12:20 +0000
          Re: Compiled Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-06 12:10 +0000
            Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 11:45 -0700
              Re: Compiled Forth Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-06 21:16 +0200
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 12:55 -0700
        Re: Compiled Forth Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-04-06 09:01 +0100
          Re: Compiled Forth Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 11:27 +0300
      Re: Compiled Forth Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-04-06 08:06 +0100
      Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-06 14:15 +0000
  Re: Compiled Forth stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-06 11:32 +0000
  Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 08:01 -0700
    Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 12:04 -0700
      Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 12:58 -0700
        Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:29 -0700
          Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-06 16:44 -0700
            Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-06 19:59 -0700
              Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 01:31 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 01:36 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-04-07 12:00 +0100
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-07 04:25 -0700
                Proposal for ALLOCATEd bignum's Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-07 12:41 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-08 21:40 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-09 00:18 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 23:43 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 04:07 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 04:37 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 04:45 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-10 12:02 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 07:21 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 07:53 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 09:43 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-10 16:43 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 11:03 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-10 18:26 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2015-04-10 11:27 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 11:36 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2015-04-10 11:56 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 12:20 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 13:00 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 13:14 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 13:29 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-10 16:08 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 23:08 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2015-04-11 01:59 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 02:20 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 02:44 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth mhx@iae.nl - 2015-04-11 11:21 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 11:43 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-11 19:44 +0000
                Re: Compiled Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 12:51 -0700
                Re: Compiled Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-11 15:26 -0700
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