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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Message-ID | <2014011810111811100-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> (permalink) |
| References | (14 earlier) <2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <170120140922201873%michelle@michelle.org> <x7Odnea6Xu5jPUfPnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@giganews.com> <2014011808271844445-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <dJSdnd3bmPsyKEfPnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| Subject | Re: Big problem with OS X |
| Organization | http://www.panic.com/unison/ |
| Date | 2014-01-18 10:11 -0800 |
On 2014-01-18 17:11:11 +0000, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
> On 2014.01.18, 11:27 , Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2014-01-18 15:42:53 +0000, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:
>>
>>> On 2014.01.17, 11:22 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
>>>> In article <2014011708190514484-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Then there are those of us who are somewhere in the spectrum betwee
> n
>>>>>> those extremes. The reason that I don't own a firearm is that I'd
>>>>>> rather spend my money on other things, but if I ever do buy one, it
>
>>>>>> will probably be this one:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750
> 00
>>> 1_7
>>>>>> 50051_765955_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y>
>>>>>
>>>>> A good choice. You can't go too far wrong with a S&W wheel gun.
>>>>
>>>> For financial reasons, I might opt for the seven- or even six-round
>>>> version instead of this eight-round one.
>>>>
>>>> I'd shoot .38 at the range to keep in practice, but use .357 magnum f
> or
>>>
>>>> home protection.
>>>
>>> You can shoot .38 through your .357 for practice (though you should
>>> shoot some practice .357's as well).
>>>
>>> But for home defense you might be better off with a 9mm or 10mm that y
> ou
>>> can control with more ammo in the mag than a revolver.
>>
>> 10mm is a harsh round to fire, double taps are not easy and there is a
>> tendency for over penetration. That isn't a good thing inside a home.
>> The FBI looked to the 10mm to replace the .38 Special as their official
>
>> weapon after a notorious Florida shootout which resulted in several
>> agents being killed and disabled. They subsequently found it was not a
>> practical combat round and have pretty much gone to the .40 S&W, and th
> e
>> good old .45 ACP.
>>
>> Our agency went from .38 Special +P. to 9mm, to .40 S&W which is now th
> e
>> standard.
>>
>> For home defense a consideration should always be potential over
>> penetration indoors, and the .357 mag, 9mm, & 10mm all have that
>> potential. I will stick with my "flying ashtray" the .45 ACP and/or a
>> shot gun.
>>
>> If the gun is a 357/38sp I would use either Glaser Safety slugs, or
>> MagSafe rounds for home defense, not FMJ or JHP ammo.
>> As far as needing more ammo goes, if you can't get it done with 6 shots
>
>> you are in trouble, and a good double action revolver can remove some o
> f
>> the issues related to operator foul up under stress to be found with
>> automatics. Like not having a round in the chamber, safety on, no
>> magazine in the gun, all of which does happen.
>
> (The old argument was "you don't need a spare clip. If you can't get it
> done with 11 (whatever number)...")
>
> I might agree that 6 is enough. But then 1 should be enough. So more
> rounds in a pistol is better than 5 to 7 in a revolver if it comes to
> it.
More is not necessarily better. Sort of like the photography adage;
"The best camera (gun) is the one you have with you."
In a six shot DA revolver I usually load 5 rounds and have two loaded 6
round speed loaders handy. For my .45 I have 7 & 8 round magazines.
When I carry, I carry "cocked & locked",. that is with a round in the
chamber and safety on. The 1911 .45 ACP is not a double action
semi-automatic, and "cocked & locked" carry is only recommended for
shooters who have trained with their weapon in this mode.
My Glock M23 has a 13 round mag and is also carried with a round in the
chamber, but it functions much the same way as a double action revolver
and has no safety as such. The trigger pull on the Glock, even after
tuning, is truly awful. It doesn't get out much these days.
> I shot a small ladies 9mm a few years ago. No hammer to snag
> (internal), no safety to forget. Point and shoot. (not esp. accurate
> but at 10 - 15 feet you'll do enough enough damage or at least get him
> running.)
I am not a particular fan of the 9mm. For that type of compact pistol I
would almost prefer a .380 over a 9mm.
> Are "safety" rounds available in 9 mm?
Yes, both Glaser Safety Slugs & Magsafe.
< http://www.corbon.com/safety-slug/general/glaser-safety-slug >
< http://magsafeonline.com/magnum_performance.html >
> A regular shotgun is not a good close quarters weapon unless it's
> modified to the point of being illegal (something I never understood - a
> sawed off is a great home defense weapon).
What modification. Just get a Reminton 870, a Mossberg 500, or 590, or
a Winchester SXP
<
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-tactical.aspx
>
<
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-pump-action-500-special-purpose-500-6-and-8-shot-center-mass-laser/50599
>
<
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-pump-action-590-special-purpose-special-purpose-9-shot/50645
>
<
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=021C&mid=512252
>
> A .45 is heavy.
That depends on the .45.
A full sized Colt 1911 is a hefty chunk of steel and is quite heavy. I
have a Kimber CDP II custom carry, which has an alloy frame and slide,
and is more compact than the full size 1911. The are smaller more
compact & lighter .45's from Colt, Kimber, Springfield, Glock,
Sig-Sauer, & S&W.
Some of Kimber's offerings.
< http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/ultra-carry-ii >
...and here is a nice compact S&W 45.
<http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766210_-1_757754_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
>
If you want a really small .45 there is the Glock M36.
> My SO couldn't handle one for more than a few shots (though a 7mm Mag
> or .300 Mag rifle doesn't faze her 120 lbs. of lean frame - shooting
> prone anyway).
Couldn't handle the weight or the recoil?
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:42 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:15 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:55 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 16:23 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-24 23:37 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 22:52 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:42 -0500
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Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:31 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:25 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:33 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 16:36 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 09:27 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:16 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 19:36 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 11:44 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:21 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 13:25 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-17 16:46 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 22:47 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:04 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 23:28 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:16 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 16:44 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:29 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:00 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 18:18 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:26 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:01 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:24 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:32 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 02:26 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 18:45 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 20:05 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 03:39 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:27 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:38 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 20:29 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:18 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:52 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 09:51 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:01 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:16 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:14 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:35 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 11:29 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:29 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:05 +1300
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 12:52 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:36 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:47 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:36 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:05 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:58 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-20 18:15 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:38 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:38 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:20 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:14 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:16 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:56 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 17:43 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:00 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:34 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:32 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-06 12:26 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 16:22 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 13:09 +1300
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-04 22:10 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:43 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:43 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 19:09 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:48 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 20:48 +0100
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 12:11 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 21:14 +0100
Re: Big problem with OS X Imaginary <spamproof@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:46 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:41 -0600
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:24 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 13:26 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-02 12:27 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:44 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-03 12:09 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 10:42 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-04 14:17 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:39 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-04 19:58 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:15 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 10:22 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:14 +1300
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-01 17:15 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:36 -0700
Re: Big problem with OS X Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-02 06:25 +0100
Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:09 +0100
Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:08 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:12 +0100
Re: Big problem with OS X Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-01-05 01:00 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:40 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 18:17 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 07:55 +0000
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 04:33 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:15 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 13:59 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 11:45 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:33 -0500
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:20 -0800
Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-06 20:18 +0100
Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 12:12 -0800
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