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Re: Big problem with OS X

From Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
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Subject Re: Big problem with OS X
Organization http://www.panic.com/unison/
Date 2014-01-19 08:56 -0800

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On 2014-01-19 15:28:44 +0000, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 2014.01.18, 15:50 , JF Mezei wrote:
>> On 14-01-18 12:01, Don Bruder wrote:
>> 
>>> Amen to that... If you need a reload, you were probably hosed before t
> he
>>> first shot was fired.
>> 
>> 
>> Excuse me but, since most uses of guns at home are to kill the wife in
> a
>> uncontrollable rise of rage because she keeps nagging you to take the
>> garbage out, why do you need to reload ?
>> 
>> And if it is to defend youself against an intruder/thief, again, do you
> 
>> need multiple rounds ? If with 6 bullets you can't hit the one thief,
>> should you have the right to own a gun in the first place ?
> 
> Shooting real people doesn't happen to many people at all.

Correct. There are only a handful of Law Enforcement officers who are 
compelled to fire their duty weapons while on the job for other than 
punching paper when going through annual & quarterly qualifying.

Firing for any reason when not on the range is unusual and has to be 
explained (in California anyway) as a use of force. That is for just 
firing the weapon. If you actually hit somebody with one of your 
bullets there is a completely different level of scrutiny. After 25+ 
years in Law enforcement I have never had to fire my duty weapon at 
another person. I have used my duty weapon to euthanize 2 deer, one 
wild pig, one raccoon badly injured by vehicles. I personally know of 7 
of those I worked with who have had to shoot a person while on duty, 
two of those were fatal shootings.

It is a much rarer event than some folks might believe. Of course just 
drawing your weapon to secure a situation, provide coverage during an 
incident, or effecting an arrest happens much more frequently.

>   And when it does, that other person usually doesn't want to be shot.  
> If you scare them off, you've done as much as is actually needed.

That is why verbal commands are considered part of the escalation of 
"use of force". It is also why the racking sound of a pump shotgun has 
stopped and cleared many situations.

>   If they keep coming it's easier and easier to hit as they get closer 
> - assuming you haven't sprayed all your clip away and you don't panic.

It is never easy. Adrenaline plays a big part. Training and discipline 
are key for all gun owners.

BTW: never say you just fired a warning shot. When it comes to 
justification for firing a weapon and escalating to a use of deadly 
force, you shoot to stop a threat or attack which a reasonable person 
would believe would result in death or serious injury.
Hit a bystander or anybody, and say that you "just fired a warning 
shot" it is time for you to find a criminal defense attorney.

> CW is the defender has the odds-on advantage, but reality is that most 
> people are never ready when it actually happens.

Never. That brings us back to the gun owner's responsibility to train.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:30 +0000
  Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-01 18:41 -0500
    Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 23:48 +0000
      Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-01 21:31 -0500
        Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-01 19:16 -0800
          Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 18:08 +1300
            Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:18 +0000
              Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:30 +0100
              Re: Big problem with OS X Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-01-02 09:55 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:50 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 16:52 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 17:23 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:54 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-03 13:43 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:36 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-04 19:07 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X william-wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:29 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 13:29 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-04 17:54 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 16:32 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2014-01-05 16:09 +1100
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-05 19:20 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 01:33 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 10:21 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:08 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:16 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 04:36 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-05 13:43 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-05 13:55 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:45 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:42 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:54 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 14:59 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:15 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 15:20 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:28 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:24 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:19 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-05 08:45 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-05 16:28 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:28 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:13 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:25 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:39 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-05 09:40 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:33 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:17 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 14:45 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-05 18:32 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:10 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:48 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2014-01-05 17:09 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 22:06 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:49 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-05 21:57 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2014-01-16 13:02 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-16 14:22 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-17 08:38 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 08:26 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 08:19 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 09:22 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 10:26 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:24 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-17 21:29 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-18 06:43 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 08:09 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:56 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:43 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:12 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:10 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:22 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:56 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:23 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:09 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 02:58 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:40 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 06:37 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 07:42 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:15 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2014-01-24 22:55 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 16:23 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-24 23:37 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-24 22:52 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 10:42 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 08:27 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 09:01 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-18 15:50 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 13:08 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:10 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:45 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:28 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 08:56 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:18 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:08 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:38 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:29 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 10:01 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 09:16 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 20:43 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-21 13:29 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:35 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:33 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:37 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 21:36 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-19 15:46 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:37 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X "William Wright" <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 09:11 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-23 08:49 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-25 01:37 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-26 09:41 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-28 11:43 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-29 09:37 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 16:37 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-28 12:52 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-29 15:57 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:28 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-29 08:51 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 09:06 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 11:39 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:53 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 09:26 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:43 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:20 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 16:24 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 11:25 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 17:54 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:18 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-01 18:21 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-02 12:47 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 09:20 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-02-03 09:00 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-02 15:06 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-02-02 14:58 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:09 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-28 20:40 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-29 08:27 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:45 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 21:59 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 17:22 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-29 22:54 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 18:49 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-30 13:10 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-30 14:58 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-30 13:21 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-30 10:02 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 23:04 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-30 23:14 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 02:20 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-31 01:17 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-31 13:22 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X The 29th Earl of Grimsby <earl-of-grimsby@jwright20.plus.com> - 2014-01-31 23:29 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:11 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 10:11 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:17 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 09:43 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:31 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:25 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:33 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 16:36 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 09:27 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 12:16 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 19:36 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 11:44 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 13:21 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 13:25 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-17 16:46 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 22:47 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:04 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 23:28 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:16 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-18 16:44 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 15:20 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-17 18:29 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:00 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-18 18:18 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:27 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:26 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:01 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:15 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 17:24 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 16:32 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 02:26 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 18:45 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-17 20:05 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-18 03:39 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:27 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 01:38 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 20:29 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-19 04:18 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 10:52 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 09:51 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 12:01 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 10:36 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:16 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 10:14 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 13:35 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 11:29 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:29 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 09:05 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-19 12:52 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-19 22:36 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-29 16:47 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:06 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:36 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:05 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:58 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-20 18:15 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:38 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 13:24 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 20:09 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-20 16:36 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-17 23:35 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-17 20:51 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:39 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:51 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:50 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-18 10:47 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-17 22:30 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 09:57 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 08:51 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-18 12:18 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:36 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 16:24 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-18 19:45 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-19 03:00 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 09:22 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 15:15 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:38 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-18 16:20 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 15:14 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-19 04:16 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-18 14:56 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-18 14:35 -0700
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 17:43 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:00 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-19 14:34 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 04:32 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2014-01-06 12:26 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 16:22 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-07 13:09 +1300
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-04 22:10 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:43 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 16:59 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:43 -0600
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 19:09 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:48 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 20:48 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 12:11 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 21:14 +0100
                Re: Big problem with OS X Imaginary <spamproof@nowhere.invalid> - 2014-01-02 19:46 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-01-02 12:41 -0600
        Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 09:24 +0000
          Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 13:26 +0000
          Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-02 12:27 -0500
            Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:44 -0800
              Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-03 12:09 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 10:42 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-04 14:17 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X William Wright <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 23:39 +0000
                Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-04 19:58 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-01-05 13:15 -0500
                Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 10:22 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-02 13:14 +1300
      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-02 11:46 -0800
  Re: Big problem with OS X Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-01-01 17:15 -0800
  Re: Big problem with OS X Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-01 20:36 -0700
    Re: Big problem with OS X Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-01-02 06:25 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:09 +0100
  Re: Big problem with OS X Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-02 09:08 +0000
    Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-02 10:12 +0100
  Re: Big problem with OS X Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2014-01-05 01:00 +0000
  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 08:53 -0800
  Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 13:40 -0800
    Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-05 18:17 -0500
      Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 07:55 +0000
        Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 04:33 -0500
          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:15 -0800
            Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 13:59 -0500
              Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 11:45 -0800
                Re: Big problem with OS X J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-01-06 15:33 -0500
          Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 03:20 -0800
  Re: Big problem with OS X android <here@there.was> - 2014-01-06 20:18 +0100
    Re: Big problem with OS X williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-01-06 12:12 -0800

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