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Re: Programming style question

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From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
Date 2012-10-24 01:21 +0100
Subject Re: Programming style question
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Patricia Shanahan wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>> It is perhaps natural because I have been programming so long in
>>> more strongly typed languages.
>>>
>>> Is it a problem?
>> 
>> With that "much" information, I have to say yes.
> 
> The good news is that I do understand the problem of trying to program
> in language X as though it were language Y. People who do that end up
> programming in a very unsatisfactory language containing only the
> features that are in common to the two languages, and work the same way
> in both of them.

ACK.

>>> On the one hand, it makes for very organized code, with a lot of
>>> opportunities for adding type-checking assertions, generally a good
>>> thing. On the other hand, I may be missing out on opportunities to make
>>> my code simpler and a better fit for the language.
>>>
>>> Is it enough to be aware of the dynamic aspects of the language, and be
>>> prepared to use them when strong typing gets in the way?
>> 
>> (see above)
>> 
>> No.  (However, contrary to common misconception, there are no "untyped
>> variables".  Implementations of ECMAScript Ed. 1 to 3, 5, and 5.1 are
>> dynamically and weakly typed, not untyped.  Uninitialized variables and
>> trailing parameters for which no argument has been passed, hold the
>> `undefined' value, the sole value of the Undefined type.)
> 
> As I understand the issue, a variable always has a type, but that type
> can change on assignment. Similarly, the type of a formal parameter is
> determined by the type of the actual parameter in the call, or, as you
> say, the Undefined type if the call did not supply an actual parameter.

Correct.  "Dynamically typed" (as opposed to "statically typed") means that 
the type of an expression is determined on runtime, not compile time.  
"Weakly typed" (as opposed to "strongly typed") means implicit type 
conversion of a value if an operation requires it.  The latter is a very 
powerful feature; but keep in mind that power corrupts ;-)
 
> This is obviously significantly different from having a type that is
> fixed at declaration, and I need to wrap my brain around the implications.

One implication is that you have optional parameters for free.  You can 
access the `arguments.length' property to find out how many arguments have 
been passed, and access them with arguments[n] (where n is a 0-based index).  
Another is that overloading is only as useful as one is able to 
differentiate between the different argument types and values (so for 
example, because host objects do not need to exhibit exactly specified 
behavior, you should not require references to them as parameters of 
overloaded method.  Overloading and host objects do not mix.  Many popular 
libraries make that mistake and are inherently unreliable as a a result.)


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Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-18 08:32 +0100
  Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-18 10:23 +0200
    Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-18 13:42 +0100
      Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-18 17:59 +0200
        Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-18 09:56 -0700
          Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-19 00:49 +0200
            Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-19 11:04 -0700
              Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-20 11:52 +0200
            Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-19 12:06 -0700
              Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-10-19 23:12 +0100
                Re: Programming style question "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-10-19 21:56 -0600
              Re: Programming style question Bart Van der Donck <bart@nijlen.com> - 2012-10-20 02:21 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-20 12:03 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-20 06:31 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-20 18:30 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-20 10:32 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-10-20 22:34 +0100
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-21 10:12 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-10-21 09:34 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Dr J R Stockton <reply1242@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-10-21 17:59 +0100
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-22 09:55 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-10-22 09:50 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-22 04:49 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-10-22 14:04 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2012-10-22 16:07 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Dr J R Stockton <reply1243@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-10-23 18:22 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2012-10-22 16:01 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Jim T. <x@y.z> - 2012-10-22 12:16 -0400
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-22 11:40 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-22 14:01 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2012-10-23 10:07 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-23 09:43 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-23 11:49 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Jim T. <x@y.z> - 2012-10-23 15:52 -0400
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-23 13:07 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-23 22:45 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-23 14:14 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-24 09:35 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-24 10:17 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Dr J R Stockton <reply1243@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-10-25 18:41 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-25 17:03 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-25 20:14 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-25 20:46 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-26 09:55 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-26 06:18 -0700
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-26 17:43 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-26 09:57 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-26 10:24 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-26 14:18 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-27 10:45 +0200
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-27 12:58 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-27 16:18 +0200
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-27 18:08 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-27 18:26 +0200
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-27 19:43 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-27 21:09 +0200
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-27 22:53 +0200
                Re: Programming style question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-10-28 11:37 +0000
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-28 12:50 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2012-10-28 13:43 -0600
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-28 23:58 +0100
                Re: Programming style question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-10-29 11:18 +0000
                Re: Programming style question Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2012-10-27 23:58 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-28 12:43 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Dr J R Stockton <reply1243@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-10-27 19:44 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-24 12:06 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-24 21:27 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-24 15:12 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-10-25 01:29 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-10-24 21:25 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-24 21:57 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 01:11 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-10-25 02:00 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-10-24 20:27 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-25 08:44 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Adam Silver <adambsilver@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 04:28 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-25 23:18 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 08:24 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 22:13 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-11-07 21:51 +0000
                Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-11-07 23:47 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 01:14 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-11-07 16:51 -0800
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-08 16:45 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 08:02 -0800
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-08 17:39 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-11-08 11:25 -0800
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-08 22:25 +0100
                Re: Programming style question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-11-09 10:19 +0000
                Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-11-09 17:41 +0100
                Re: Programming style question Dr J R Stockton <reply1245@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2012-11-10 22:38 +0000
                Re: Programming style question Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-10-22 12:32 -0700
                Re: Programming style question Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2012-10-23 10:05 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2012-10-22 22:11 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2012-10-23 02:42 +0200
                Re: Programming style question Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2012-10-23 10:08 +0200
              Re: Programming style question "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2012-10-20 18:34 +0200
  Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-18 11:57 +0200
    Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-18 13:06 +0100
      Re: Programming style question "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-10-18 15:32 +0300
        Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-18 13:37 +0100
          Re: Programming style question "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-10-18 15:55 +0300
          Re: Programming style question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-10-19 10:12 +0100
            Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-19 07:24 -0700
              Re: Programming style question John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-10-20 17:47 +0100
          Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-24 01:15 +0100
            Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-24 01:31 +0100
            Re: Programming style question "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-10-24 07:34 +0300
              Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-24 19:57 +0200
                Re: Programming style question "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2012-10-24 21:02 +0300
        Re: Programming style question Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-18 20:15 -0700
      Re: Programming style question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2012-10-24 01:21 +0100
  Re: Programming style question Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2012-10-21 17:57 -0700

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