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Re: 8MB sms pic

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: 8MB sms pic
Date 2018-11-15 14:51 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <151120181451363321%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink)
References (9 earlier) <141120181433345292%nospam@nospam.invalid> <psi85l$7gn$1@dont-email.me> <pskaa2.558.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <151120181209098431%nospam@nospam.invalid> <pskj9e.3n8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

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In article <pskj9e.3n8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > >   Some food for thought on the TOTP paper tiger(s):
> > > 
> > > - If TOTP is all that red hot, then why is the list of 'Server
> > >   implementations' - read: service providers which use TOTP - so
> > >   pathetically short, not even 30 providers/companies?
> > >   And - as you say - not a financial institution in sight.
> > 
> > nonsense. far more than 30 companies use totp, including many banks.
> 
>   Which you can't bother to mention. Why is that?

no need for a list. your claim is wrong.

but if you insist, look at the software token column:
<https://twofactorauth.org/#banking>
<https://twofactorauth.org/#finance>
<https://twofactorauth.org/#investing>

there are a *lot* of banks and many other companies offering totp.

>   123456789 is dying to switch to such a bank, so why not help him out!

he isn't 'dying to switch' to anything.

> > unfortunately, a lot of banks consider any 2fa to be an inconvenience
> > and don't offer it at all.
> 
>   No such banks here.

such banks elsewhere. see above list.

> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_One-time_Password_algorithm#Serv
> > > er_implementations>
> > 
> > an incomplete list, which they readily admit.
> 
>   So come up with a better one.

see above.

> > > - Funny that you mentioned Google. Google (Google Account) indeed only
> > >   offers 2FA on Android (and iOS) or via ... <drumroll> ... SMS!
> > 
> > false.
> 
>   Nope, true. Read on.

not true.

> > google offers several options, including sms, totp and a physical
> > hardware token for those who want maximum security:
> > <https://store.google.com/product/titan_security_key_kit>
> 
>   Nope, they don't. Read on.

they do.

> <unsnip>
> 
> > > N.B. I concentrated on Google/Android/Chrome/Windows, because I can
> > > oversee/verify what is (not) possible for those.
> 
> </unsnip>
> 
>   See the "verify" bit!? Contrary to you, I don't do paper tigers, so I
> *tested* this: Google Account does *only* offer SMS when setting 2-Step
> Verification to On, in a *Chrome* browser on a Windows system. Them's
> the *facts*.

nope. them's *not* the facts.

google supports sms, phone call, hardware and *software* *token* (aka
totp), and is listed in several categories:
<https://twofactorauth.org/#cloud>
<https://twofactorauth.org/#domains>
<https://twofactorauth.org/#email>
<https://twofactorauth.org/#payments>
<https://twofactorauth.org/#social>

i've been using totp with google and many other services for several
years without issue.

i don't use chrome, but i do use vivaldi which is based on chrome, and
can easily log into google with totp, as i can with any other browser.

> [FYI, not that it matters, but the Titan Security Kit is not offered in
> our country. Perhaps US only?

that appears to be the case:
<https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/30/google-50-titan-security-keys-avail
able-us/>
  Titan Security Keys are available to US customers now through the
  Google Store. The company says they'll be available in additional
  regions soon.

> For me, your URL gives the Dutch store, which shows several products,
> but not the Titan Security Kit.
> If I switch to the US store and search on 'titan', I do find it (note
> '?hl=en-US' part):
> <https://store.google.com/us/product/titan_security_key_kit?hl=en-US>.
> If I search on 'titan' in the Dutch store, it doesn't find anything.]

that just means you can't get one yet, not that it doesn't exist.

meanwhile, you can get a yubikey instead:
<https://www.yubico.com>

there are other options, such as this:
<https://onlykey.io>

> [Repeated irrelevancy deleted.]
> 
> > >   If TOTP, i.e. including Google Authenticator, is all that red hot,
> > >   then why doesn't *Google* offer it on non-Android/non-iOS, while there
> > >   *are* many (non-Google!) clients for non-Android/non-iOS devices?
> > 
> > because numerous other solutions exist, all of which produce the same
> > code (given the same seed), so it doesn't matter which app someone
> > uses.
> 
>   With the minor problem that Google does not offer the opportunity to
> actually *use* these "numerous other solutions"! See above.

yes they do.

>   "Here are a bunch of great tools! You can't *use* them (with Google),
> but they all produce the same code (given the same seed)! Ain't that
> great, a bunch of worthless apps, all doing the exact same useless
> thing!?"

it's not useless and it works quite well with google as well as many
other companies.

> N.B. Apparently the other points you also silently snipped were even more
> painful/embarassing.

for you, yes.

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  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0700
    Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-08 22:31 +0000
      Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-09 17:07 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-10 02:36 +0000
          Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 11:34 +0000
            Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-11 11:47 +0000
              Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 12:37 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 19:19 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:53 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 08:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:22 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 14:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:01 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 12:39 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:02 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:16 +0100
                [OT] Ping: Piet (was: 8MB sms pic) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:10 +0000
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-16 09:46 +0100
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 11:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:19 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:20 +0100
              Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:44 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:17 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 20:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-11 23:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 19:02 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 19:07 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:28 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:21 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:25 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:39 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:13 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 10:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 11:43 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 12:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 10:17 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:37 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 16:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:14 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:41 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:36 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:32 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:30 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:22 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:42 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:54 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:06 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 20:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 21:23 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:32 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 22:21 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:50 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:43 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:54 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 18:31 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 19:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 14:24 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:31 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 17:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 18:47 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-14 19:00 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:53 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:03 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:27 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 14:51 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:43 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:11 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 01:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 11:24 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 10:32 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 18:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 15:03 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 11:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:46 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-13 06:35 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:17 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:37 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:57 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:59 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:38 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:06 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:04 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2018-11-13 06:59 -0600
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:11 +0100
          Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:27 +0100
            Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:37 +0100
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:19 -0700
  Re: 8MB sms pic musika <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> - 2018-11-09 11:48 +0000
  Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-17 10:30 -0500

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