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Re: 8MB sms pic

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: 8MB sms pic
Date 2018-11-15 16:27 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <pskaa2.558.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
References (8 earlier) <141120180915032258%nospam@nospam.invalid> <epE3tOOJtF7bFw$k@255soft.uk> <pshutg.i0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <141120181433345292%nospam@nospam.invalid> <psi85l$7gn$1@dont-email.me>

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123456789 <12345@12345.com> wrote:
> On 11/14/2018 12:33 PM, nospam wrote:
> > Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >> "As of 2018, SMS is the most broadly-adopted multi-factor 
> >> authentication method for consumer-facing accounts."
> 
> > you're confusing popularity with security.
> 
> Perhaps not. 2FA by SMS is likely popular because it is EASILY used by
> the general population. Many customers would balk at a more complicated
> non-universal system. And it is considerably more secure than the
> insecurity questions we've been discussing.
> 
> > it is *not* secure. it's security theater.
> 
> Its security is apparently adequate, otherwise those in the know
> (banks, credit card companies, Amazon, Google, etc.) wouldn't be asking 
> people to use it.

  Exactly! *If* it was *not* adequate and there *was* a [Me:]
"practical general alternative", I'm sure that these institutions would
switch. The *fact* that they don't, proves that they consider it
adequate without a "practical general alternative".

  Some food for thought on the TOTP paper tiger(s):

- If TOTP is all that red hot, then why is the list of 'Server
  implementations' - read: service providers which use TOTP - so
  pathetically short, not even 30 providers/companies?
  And - as you say - not a financial institution in sight.

  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_One-time_Password_algorithm#Server_implementations>

- Funny that you mentioned Google. Google (Google Account) indeed only
  offers 2FA on Android (and iOS) or via ... <drumroll> ... SMS!

  If TOTP, i.e. including Google Authenticator, is all that red hot,
  then why doesn't *Google* offer it on non-Android/non-iOS, while there
  *are* many (non-Google!) clients for non-Android/non-iOS devices?

  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Authenticator>

  Google doesn't even offer TOTP (or other 2FA) on Chrome/Chrome OS!
  How silly can you get!?

  And on Windows? Again nothing. Have to use SMS.

  So apparently Google doesn't really believe in TOTP!

  N.B. I concentrated on Google/Android/Chrome/Windows, because I can
  oversee/verify what is (not) possible for those.

- TOTP RFC 6238 is of May 2011.

  "In 2016 and 2017 respectively, both Google and Apple started offering
   user two-step authentication with push notification as an alternative
   method."
  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication>

  So for this red hot 'solution', hardly anybody could be bothered to
  implement it in *seven* years time!?

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8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-08 10:52 -0500
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0700
    Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-08 22:31 +0000
      Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-09 17:07 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-10 02:36 +0000
          Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 11:34 +0000
            Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-11 11:47 +0000
              Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 12:37 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 19:19 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:53 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 08:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:22 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 14:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:01 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 12:39 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:02 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:16 +0100
                [OT] Ping: Piet (was: 8MB sms pic) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:10 +0000
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-16 09:46 +0100
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 11:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:19 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:20 +0100
              Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:44 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:17 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 20:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-11 23:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 19:02 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 19:07 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:28 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:21 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:25 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:39 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:13 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 10:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 11:43 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 12:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 10:17 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:37 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 16:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:14 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:41 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:36 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:32 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:30 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:22 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:42 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:54 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:06 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 20:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 21:23 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:32 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 22:21 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:50 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:43 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:54 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 18:31 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 19:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 14:24 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:31 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 17:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 18:47 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-14 19:00 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:53 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:03 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:27 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 14:51 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:43 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:11 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 01:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 11:24 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 10:32 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 18:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 15:03 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 11:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:46 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-13 06:35 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:17 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:37 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:57 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:59 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:38 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:06 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:04 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2018-11-13 06:59 -0600
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:11 +0100
          Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:27 +0100
            Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:37 +0100
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:19 -0700
  Re: 8MB sms pic musika <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> - 2018-11-09 11:48 +0000
  Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-17 10:30 -0500

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