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Re: 8MB sms pic

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: 8MB sms pic
Date 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <pskj9e.3n8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
References (8 earlier) <pshutg.i0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <141120181433345292%nospam@nospam.invalid> <psi85l$7gn$1@dont-email.me> <pskaa2.558.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> <151120181209098431%nospam@nospam.invalid>

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pskaa2.558.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >   Some food for thought on the TOTP paper tiger(s):
> > 
> > - If TOTP is all that red hot, then why is the list of 'Server
> >   implementations' - read: service providers which use TOTP - so
> >   pathetically short, not even 30 providers/companies?
> >   And - as you say - not a financial institution in sight.
> 
> nonsense. far more than 30 companies use totp, including many banks.

  Which you can't bother to mention. Why is that?

  123456789 is dying to switch to such a bank, so why not help him out!

> unfortunately, a lot of banks consider any 2fa to be an inconvenience
> and don't offer it at all.

  No such banks here.

> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_One-time_Password_algorithm#Server_i
> > mplementations>
> 
> an incomplete list, which they readily admit.

  So come up with a better one.

> > - Funny that you mentioned Google. Google (Google Account) indeed only
> >   offers 2FA on Android (and iOS) or via ... <drumroll> ... SMS!
> 
> false.

  Nope, true. Read on.

> google offers several options, including sms, totp and a physical
> hardware token for those who want maximum security:
> <https://store.google.com/product/titan_security_key_kit>

  Nope, they don't. Read on.

<unsnip>

> > N.B. I concentrated on Google/Android/Chrome/Windows, because I can
> > oversee/verify what is (not) possible for those.

</unsnip>

  See the "verify" bit!? Contrary to you, I don't do paper tigers, so I
*tested* this: Google Account does *only* offer SMS when setting 2-Step
Verification to On, in a *Chrome* browser on a Windows system. Them's
the *facts*.

[FYI, not that it matters, but the Titan Security Kit is not offered in
our country. Perhaps US only?
For me, your URL gives the Dutch store, which shows several products,
but not the Titan Security Kit.
If I switch to the US store and search on 'titan', I do find it (note
'?hl=en-US' part):
<https://store.google.com/us/product/titan_security_key_kit?hl=en-US>.
If I search on 'titan' in the Dutch store, it doesn't find anything.]

[Repeated irrelevancy deleted.]

> >   If TOTP, i.e. including Google Authenticator, is all that red hot,
> >   then why doesn't *Google* offer it on non-Android/non-iOS, while there
> >   *are* many (non-Google!) clients for non-Android/non-iOS devices?
> 
> because numerous other solutions exist, all of which produce the same
> code (given the same seed), so it doesn't matter which app someone
> uses.

  With the minor problem that Google does not offer the opportunity to
actually *use* these "numerous other solutions"! See above.

  "Here are a bunch of great tools! You can't *use* them (with Google),
but they all produce the same code (given the same seed)! Ain't that
great, a bunch of worthless apps, all doing the exact same useless
thing!?"

N.B. Apparently the other points you also silently snipped were even more
painful/embarassing.

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8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-08 10:52 -0500
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0700
    Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-08 22:31 +0000
      Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-09 17:07 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-10 02:36 +0000
          Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 11:34 +0000
            Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-11 11:47 +0000
              Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 12:37 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 19:19 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:53 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 08:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:22 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 14:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:01 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 12:39 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:02 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:16 +0100
                [OT] Ping: Piet (was: 8MB sms pic) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:10 +0000
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-16 09:46 +0100
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 11:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:19 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:20 +0100
              Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:44 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:17 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 20:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-11 23:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 19:02 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 19:07 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:28 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:21 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:25 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:39 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:13 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 10:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 11:43 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 12:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 10:17 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:37 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 16:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:14 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:41 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:36 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:32 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:30 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:22 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:42 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:54 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:06 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 20:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 21:23 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:32 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 22:21 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:50 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:43 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:54 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 18:31 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 19:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 14:24 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:31 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 17:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 18:47 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-14 19:00 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:53 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:03 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:27 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 14:51 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:43 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:11 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 01:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 11:24 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 10:32 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 18:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 15:03 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 11:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:46 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-13 06:35 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:17 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:37 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:57 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:59 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:38 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:06 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:04 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2018-11-13 06:59 -0600
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:11 +0100
          Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:27 +0100
            Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:37 +0100
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:19 -0700
  Re: 8MB sms pic musika <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> - 2018-11-09 11:48 +0000
  Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-17 10:30 -0500

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