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Re: 8MB sms pic

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: 8MB sms pic
Date 2018-11-13 15:50 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <psevbq.c50.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
References (8 earlier) <g4uno4F91i6U2@mid.individual.net> <121120182039069132%nospam@nospam.invalid> <g4vborFd1mmU1@mid.individual.net> <131120180903004120%nospam@nospam.invalid> <g5062rFikcoU3@mid.individual.net>

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Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 13/11/2018 15.03, nospam wrote:
> > In article <g4vborFd1mmU1@mid.individual.net>, Carlos E. R.
> > <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>>>   It's not (only) for "credentials of forgotten logins". 123456789
> >>>>>> mentioned quite different use for SMS, for which there is no practical
> >>>>>> general alternative yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> there definitely is a very practical alternative, one which is also
> >>>>> significantly more secure *and* works offline.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which is...?
> >>>
> >>> totp
> >>>
> >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+totp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-
> >> b>
> >>
> >> Time Based One Time Password?
> > 
> > yes
> > 
> >> Oh, common!
> > 
> > very much so.
> > 
> >> And where is the "all phones must have it out of the factory" requirement?
> > 
> > no such requirement.
> > 
> > there are *numerous* totp apps not just for phones, but also laptops
> > and desktops, making it both more secure than sms and more convenient
> > too.
> 
> Hre it is the minimal requirement. If you want to use banks and other
> services. It is your choice, of course: no SMS, no banking :-P

  Don't be a wuss, Carlos! If nospam says it can be done, it can be
done! You just have to change banks, move to another country or similar
minor inconviences. And when you've done that, there will be another
problem with some other 'provider' so you once again change provider
or/and company. Peanuts.

  BTW, just for laughs have a look at the server and client
implementations on the Wikipedia 'Time-based One-time Password
algorithm' page to see what a total mess this "very practical
alternative" is.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_One-time_Password_algorithm>

  FYI, my bank(s) are using OTPs with proprietary tokens similar to the
CAP readers which MC uses for their CAP. (There you have some more
acronyms/initialisms to look up! :-)

  But as they're proprietary, they're obviously *not* the required
"practical general alternative" for SMS.

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8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-08 10:52 -0500
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:11 -0700
    Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-08 22:31 +0000
      Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-09 17:07 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-10 02:36 +0000
          Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 11:34 +0000
            Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-11 11:47 +0000
              Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 12:37 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 19:19 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:53 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 08:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:22 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 14:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:01 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-13 12:39 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:02 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:16 +0100
                [OT] Ping: Piet (was: 8MB sms pic) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:10 +0000
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-11-16 09:46 +0100
                Re: [OT] Ping: Piet Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 11:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:19 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:20 +0100
              Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-11 16:44 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:21 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:17 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 20:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 06:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-11 23:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 19:02 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-12 19:07 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-12 21:28 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:21 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:25 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 20:39 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:50 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 11:13 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 10:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 11:43 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 12:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 10:17 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:37 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 16:06 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:14 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 18:41 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:57 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:36 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:32 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:30 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 10:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 18:51 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:22 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:42 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 19:54 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:06 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 20:26 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 22:40 -0400
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 21:23 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:32 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-12 22:21 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:50 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:02 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:29 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:27 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 23:34 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:32 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:43 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:54 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 18:31 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:49 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 19:16 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 14:24 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:31 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 17:28 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 12:53 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-14 18:47 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-14 19:00 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-14 15:38 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 00:04 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 00:25 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 12:53 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:08 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:03 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 15:40 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:27 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 19:01 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 14:51 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-15 21:11 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:47 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:43 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:11 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 01:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:10 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-17 11:24 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-15 10:32 -0700
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 14:48 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-14 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 18:05 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 19:10 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-16 15:03 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:23 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-13 11:40 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:46 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-11-13 06:35 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:17 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:37 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:57 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 11:59 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:38 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:08 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:34 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-13 08:12 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-13 06:06 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:04 +0000
                Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: 8MB sms pic M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2018-11-13 06:59 -0600
                Re: 8MB sms pic nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 09:03 -0500
        Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-11 13:11 +0100
          Re: 8MB sms pic Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-11 17:27 +0100
            Re: 8MB sms pic "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-12 02:37 +0100
  Re: 8MB sms pic KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2018-11-08 09:19 -0700
  Re: 8MB sms pic musika <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> - 2018-11-09 11:48 +0000
  Re: 8MB sms pic K120 <hunterfox@interweb.net> - 2018-11-17 10:30 -0500

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