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Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life

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T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 1/13/25 8:09 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/0patch-explained-how-it-works-and-what-it-means-for-the-end-of-windows
>> 
>> https://0patch.com/
>> 
>> "$28 per year per device for its Pro service".  To clarify this isn't
>> free.  Also, only covers the most critical security patches, not all
>> vulnerabilities.  The cost is trivial for a business scenario, but users
>> will probably decide to let the security patches slide until they get
>> their next prebuilt with whatever OS is preinstalled.
>> 
>> https://0patch.com/pricing.html
>> 
>> There is a free version, but that only works on a version of Windows
>> while it is still supported by Microsoft.  Once Microsoft drops support
>> for a version, this free version ceases to function, and you have to
>> purchase it.
>> 
>> Also, unlike patches from Microsoft that replace files (and why
>> sometimes a reboot is required to replace inuse system files), 0patch
>> does not alter any files.  Instead if modifies the memory image of the
>> executable files.  Everytime you boot, its agent has to let Windows
>> load, and then modify the memory image.
>> 
>> "0patch does not replace executable files or modify them in any way. It
>> corrects them only in memory, which can be done without relaunching
>> them."
>> 
>> Hmm, I thought Windows had protections against such in-memory
>> manipulation.  If their "agent" doesn't load, you're back to a pre-patch
>> scenario.  It needs to phone home to check if there are new
>> [micro]patches.  Also, since their agent modifies the memory image of
>> executables, any backups you save will be on the files themselves, not
>> on the modified in-memory image of them.  So, you won't be backing up a
>> micropatched version of the OS, just the OS pre-memory alteration.  If
>> you restore the OS from backups, you'll need their agent to redeploy the
>> in-memory modifications.  I don't know how they handle when you restore
>> to a prior state of the OS for which their later micropatches may not be
>> appropriate.
>> 
>> Arcos Security is headquartered in Maribor, Slovenia, an EU and Nato
>> member.  The contact page just lists e-mail addresses, but their company
>> profile page also lists a phone number, and address.  From Google Maps'
>> street view on the address, I couldn't see where was Arcos Security
>> (Arco Varnost in Solvenian), but I couldn't see all the way around the
>> building, and they may be renting an office and don't post a sign on the
>> building.
>> 
>> https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/acros-security
>> 
>> Not much info there.  They state 1 to 10 employees, but I've found that
>> count to be inaccurate.
> 
> If there is some reason blocking yo from upgrading
> to W11, just get yourself a decent anti virus.  Not
> McAfee or Norton.

Upgrading from 10 to 11: no bang for the buck.  Simply plastering on a
different desktop GUI is insufficient cause for me to change.  Yes,
there are improvements in 11, but not enough for me to bother with the
change, and yet another learning curve.

AI is the new infatuation which I detest.  Windows 12 will get even
worse.  Plus, to support the higher level of processing needed for the
increased AI will require getting a new box with an NPU with a minimum
of 40 TOPS.  With Windows 11, we saw TPM forced on us.  With Windows 12,
another new hardware (NPU) is required.  Microsoft is just not going in
a direction I care for.  Require more hardware for unneeded functions.

> I also do not know if 0patch would qualify W10 as
> a supported OS under Payment Card Industry (PCI)
> guideline.
> 
> And if you can or are just curious, download a Fedora
> Live USB and see if it is worth the transition.  I
> recommend KDE, MATE, and Xfce, but NOT gnome as it
> is too weird.
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/spins

Fedora is better for Windows converts than, say, Mint?

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0patch for W10 end-of-life T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 17:42 -0800
  Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-13 22:09 -0600
    Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 21:53 -0800
      Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-14 01:56 -0600
        Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-14 06:48 -0500
          Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-14 11:36 -0600
        Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 09:36 -0800
    Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-14 04:06 -0700
      Re: 0patch for W10 end-of-life VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-01-14 12:08 -0600

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