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Message-ID <1476572.Laj1mbFmap@PointedEars.de> (permalink)
From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
Date 2013-11-03 15:29 +0100
Subject Re: cr
Newsgroups comp.lang.php
References (5 earlier) <Yvsbu.14426$Lj7.6142@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com> <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de> <wcEbu.10265$UA3.1277@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com> <2853216.eVYhDPjVhS@PointedEars.de> <X6Fcu.100141$gp1.11611@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com>
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Richard Damon wrote:

> On 10/29/13, 7:18 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 10/28/13, 9:34 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/27/13, 10:22 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>>> Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> […] The one thing that is fairly certain is that the
>>>>>>> player will almost certainly NOT be written in PHP,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That much is true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as PHP is normally a server side language, and few clients will
>>>>>>> understand it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A common misconception.  *No* programming language is “normally”
>>>>>> either “server-side” or “client-side”.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly a falsehood.
>>>>
>>>> [superseded]
>>>>
>>>>> I would expect that at least 95% of PHP executions
>>>>> are done via mod-php or php-cgi in response to a http request, [tl;dr]
>>>>
>>>> So even by your standards there are 5% left for “client-side”
>>>> applications.
>>>
>>> I consider 95% to be a reasonable definition for "normally". I will add
>>> that I normally ignore what you say because normally you are just
>>> spouting gibberish (as it seems here).
>> 
>> Why do you reply to the canceled posting?
>> 
> I suppose this shows your level of understanding of Usenet and the
> applicability of RFCs.

It rather shows that you are trolling since you are at least vaguely aware 
how Cancel messages work, and what they mean, and not only reply regardless 
but also deny their significance.

> Cancel messages are purely advisory,

Cancel messages are control messages.  A news server may ignore them at own 
risk.  That does not make them “purely advisory”.

<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5536#section-3.2.3> pp.

> and routinely ignored by the backbone

There is no “backbone”; Usenet is explicitly decentralized.  Each news 
server administrator can set their own rules regarding to which messages to 
accept from which peers, which to keep, and which to distribute to which 
peers.

> because they are not authenticated.

Some news servers now require Cancel messages to be authenticated before 
executed, that is, to match the lock-signature of the posting to be 
canceled; others (like the one I am using since about 10 years) do not.

> It has been decades since one could expect a cancel to work.

Utter nonsense.  That a Cancel message works was the general idea.  It was 
only after some people abused this feature that some servers decided to 
ignore cancels or require authentication.

The Internet draft for lock-signing messages, and cancel messages to match 
that signature, is a lot younger than that.  And it has expired even though 
it is implemented.

<http://wiki.killfile.org/projects/usenet/faqs/cancel/>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_message>
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01>
<http://individual.net/faq.php#1.12>

So much for *your* “understanding of Usenet and the applicability of RFCs”.  
It is also exemplified by the way you changed the Subject header field 
value.

> Note, that your superseded message was injected to your server on
> USENET, it appears, just 2 minutes before I replied. […]

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| […]
| Message-ID: <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de>
| From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
| […]
| Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:34:58 +0100
| […]
| References: <1ia1p6efkuy6j.ew455c20yr22$.dlg@40tude.net> 
<l4jjv1$16b$2@dont-email.me> <a4mqn9voa0zs$.2gqi5acsdw6l$.dlg@40tude.net> 
<P9dbu.14655$9X3.6324@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com> 
<4129338.JVDsMHeclA@PointedEars.de> <Yvsbu.14426$Lj7.6142@en-
nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com>
| […]
`----

That was 2013-10-28 13:34:58 UTC.

,----
| Message-ID: <9415386.0xDGcqzFey@PointedEars.de>
| From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
| […]
| Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:37:03 +0100
| […]
| Supersedes: <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de>
`----

That was 2013-10-28 13:37:03 UTC (about 2 minutes later).  To be sure (not 
all servers support “Supersedes” either), I sent the corresponding Cancel 
message only seconds later.

,----
| […]
| From: Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>
| […]
| References: <1ia1p6efkuy6j.ew455c20yr22$.dlg@40tude.net> 
<l4jjv1$16b$2@dont-email.me> <a4mqn9voa0zs$.2gqi5acsdw6l$.dlg@40tude.net> 
<P9dbu.14655$9X3.6324@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com> 
<4129338.JVDsMHeclA@PointedEars.de> <Yvsbu.14426$Lj7.6142@en-
nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com> <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de>
| In-Reply-To: <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de>
| […]
| Message-ID: <wcEbu.10265$UA3.1277@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>
| […]
| Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:29:53 -0400
| […]
`----

That was 2013-10-29 01:29:53 UTC, more than 10 hours later.  I would pity 
you for your slow 20th century newsfeed if it were so.

I will now leave you to your further “misconceptions”, lest you do not waste 
more of my precious time.  May you die in ignorance.  *PLONK*

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