Re: server-side vs.client-side

From	Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.php
Subject	Re: server-side vs.client-side
Date	2013-11-02 19:36 +0100
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, 2013-11-02 17:57:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> 
>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Christoph Michael Becker, 2013-10-30 20:54:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>> One question - since both you and Thomas seem to be from Germany, and
>>>>> have the same misunderstanding of the word "normally", what does
>>>>> "normally" translate to in German?  What does it mean?
>>>>
>>>> In Germany it is "normalerweise"/"üblicherweise", what means as much
>>>> usually.  Anyway, a misunderstanding of the term "normally" is not the
>>>> problem here for me.  In my opinion, it is correct to state: "PHP is
>>>> normally (usually, most often etc.) used on a server (for server-side
>>>> programming)."
>>>>
>>>> It is as well correct to state: "No programming language is normally
>>>> either server-side or client-side."  Otherwise it would mean, that there
>>>> are programming languages that couldn't be used outside of a
>>>> client-server context.
>>>
>>> Exactly *this* is the wrong assumption, what "normally" means in this
>>> context. It does *NOT* mean that a language can *never* be used in other
>>> ways - it only says that is the the most common use of it.
>>
>> I thought there is the same difference between
>>
>>   "No programming language is normally either server-side or
>>    client-side."
>>
>> and
>>
>>   "No programming language is either normally server-side
>>    or normally client-side."
>>
>> as it is in German.  Apparently, I was mistaken.
> 
> You are not.  “normally” is (used here as) a “weasel word”, and the argument 
> is fundamentally flawed.  What is “normally” – who defines what that is (not 
> what it means)?  At which percentage does “normally” start?  You can see 
> that this cannot lead to a sound argument.  Which is why I intentionally 
> double-quoted the word.
> 
> JFTR: Mr. Welzel, too, is a native speaker of *German* only.  For more 

JFTR: As you are ;-)

I think your problem is, that you (mis-)understand "normally" in this
context as "no other use makes sense" or "no other use is possible" -
which of course is not true.

We all know that PHP can be used in different ways and not just "server
side". But when saying "PHP is normally used server side" this does not
say anything at all about where PHP *can* be used, just what it is
*meant* to be used for and what its strengths are. Just think a moment
about the history of PHP - it all started as a set of tools to create
HTML documents on the server:

<http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php>

"[...] the very first incarnation of PHP was a simple set of Common
Gateway Interface (CGI) binaries written in the C programming language."

> professional (and native-speakers-of-English's) interpretation and 
> translation, for example go to
> 
> <http://dict.leo.org/ende/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=&search=normally>

You call this a "professional interpretation and translation"?

Anyway - I would also suggest
<http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/normally?q=normally>.

> In particular, you might find this interesting:
> 
> <http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewGeneraldiscussion.php?idThread=1139295&idForum=4&lang=de&lp=ende>

Some thoughts by other people - yes, interesting - but a "professional
interpretation"?


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
http://de-rec-fahrrad.de

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checking for audio playing ??? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-10-27 10:58 -0400
  Re: checking for audio playing ??? Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-27 16:45 +0100
    Re: checking for audio playing ??? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-10-27 12:01 -0400
  Re: checking for audio playing ??? Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 17:53 +0000
    Re: checking for audio playing ??? richard <noreply@example.com> - 2013-10-27 14:24 -0400
      Re: checking for audio playing ??? Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-10-27 18:38 +0000
      Re: checking for audio playing ??? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-10-27 14:43 -0400
        Re: checking for audio playing ??? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-28 03:22 +0100
          Re: checking for audio playing ??? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-28 05:49 -0400
          Re: checking for audio playing ??? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0400
            Re: checking for audio playing ??? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-28 14:37 +0100
            Re: checking for audio playing ??? "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> - 2013-10-28 13:49 +0000
            Re: checking for audio playing ??? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-28 10:01 -0400
            Re: checking for audio playing ??? Scott Johnson <noonehome@chalupasworld.com> - 2013-10-28 11:36 -0700
            Re: checking for audio playing ??? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-10-28 21:29 -0400
              Re: checking for audio playing ??? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-10-29 12:18 +0100
                cr Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-10-31 23:21 -0400
                Re: cr Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-03 15:29 +0100
                Re: cr Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-11-03 09:34 -0500
                Re: cr Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-11-03 15:18 -0500
            Re: checking for audio playing ??? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-10-29 20:12 +0100
              Re: checking for audio playing ??? Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-10-29 20:21 +0000
          Re: checking for audio playing ??? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-10-29 20:10 +0100
            server-side vs.client-side (was: checking for audio playing ???) Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-29 21:45 +0100
              Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-29 20:54 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-30 03:18 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-29 22:31 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-10-30 09:20 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-30 19:04 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-30 14:58 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-30 20:54 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-30 16:21 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-30 21:55 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-30 17:07 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-10-31 09:40 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-10-31 23:03 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-31 20:38 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-02 17:57 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-02 19:36 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-02 18:44 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 00:28 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-11-02 19:01 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-11-02 21:40 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-01 09:53 -0700
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-11-01 13:53 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-01 21:10 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:25 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-01 22:29 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-11-01 20:37 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-02 01:26 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2013-11-01 19:19 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-02 01:24 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-02 17:46 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2013-11-02 15:41 -0400
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 21:37 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-03 10:48 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-03 10:28 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-11-05 11:15 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-05 12:47 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-11-03 14:16 +0100
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-03 16:00 +0000
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Chuck Anderson <cycletourist@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:52 -0700
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Chuck Anderson <cycletourist@invalid.invalid> - 2013-11-03 23:19 -0700
                Re: server-side vs.client-side Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-04 18:02 +0000
              Re: server-side vs.client-side Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-10-30 09:09 +0100
      Re: checking for audio playing ??? Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 15:23 +0000
        Re: checking for audio playing ??? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 16:56 +0000
  Re: checking for audio playing ??? Doug Miller <doug_at_milmac_dot_com@example.com> - 2013-10-27 18:22 +0000
  Re: checking for audio playing ??? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2013-10-28 20:02 +0100

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