Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool2.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <1476572.Laj1mbFmap@PointedEars.de> From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Reply-To: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Organization: PointedEars Software (PES) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 15:29:40 +0100 User-Agent: KNode/4.10.5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Face: %i>XG-yXR'\"2P/C_aO%~;2o~?g0pPKmbOw^=NT`tprDEf++D.m7"}HW6.#=U:?2GGctkL,f89@H46O$ASoW&?s}.k+&. <4129338.JVDsMHeclA@PointedEars.de> <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de> <2853216.eVYhDPjVhS@PointedEars.de> Followup-To: poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 138 NNTP-Posting-Date: 03 Nov 2013 15:29:42 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: 39b3cc46.newsspool1.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=_R=T>_TMSeVYQ5E:lFfd\X4HMWjamS1M_ X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.php:11724 Richard Damon wrote: > On 10/29/13, 7:18 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 10/28/13, 9:34 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>> Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 10/27/13, 10:22 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>>>>> Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> […] The one thing that is fairly certain is that the >>>>>>> player will almost certainly NOT be written in PHP, >>>>>> >>>>>> That much is true. >>>>>> >>>>>>> as PHP is normally a server side language, and few clients will >>>>>>> understand it. >>>>>> >>>>>> A common misconception. *No* programming language is “normally” >>>>>> either “server-side” or “client-side”. >>>>> >>>>> Clearly a falsehood. >>>> >>>> [superseded] >>>> >>>>> I would expect that at least 95% of PHP executions >>>>> are done via mod-php or php-cgi in response to a http request, [tl;dr] >>>> >>>> So even by your standards there are 5% left for “client-side” >>>> applications. >>> >>> I consider 95% to be a reasonable definition for "normally". I will add >>> that I normally ignore what you say because normally you are just >>> spouting gibberish (as it seems here). >> >> Why do you reply to the canceled posting? >> > I suppose this shows your level of understanding of Usenet and the > applicability of RFCs. It rather shows that you are trolling since you are at least vaguely aware how Cancel messages work, and what they mean, and not only reply regardless but also deny their significance. > Cancel messages are purely advisory, Cancel messages are control messages. A news server may ignore them at own risk. That does not make them “purely advisory”. pp. > and routinely ignored by the backbone There is no “backbone”; Usenet is explicitly decentralized. Each news server administrator can set their own rules regarding to which messages to accept from which peers, which to keep, and which to distribute to which peers. > because they are not authenticated. Some news servers now require Cancel messages to be authenticated before executed, that is, to match the lock-signature of the posting to be canceled; others (like the one I am using since about 10 years) do not. > It has been decades since one could expect a cancel to work. Utter nonsense. That a Cancel message works was the general idea. It was only after some people abused this feature that some servers decided to ignore cancels or require authentication. The Internet draft for lock-signing messages, and cancel messages to match that signature, is a lot younger than that. And it has expired even though it is implemented. So much for *your* “understanding of Usenet and the applicability of RFCs”. It is also exemplified by the way you changed the Subject header field value. > Note, that your superseded message was injected to your server on > USENET, it appears, just 2 minutes before I replied. […] ,---- | […] | Message-ID: <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de> | From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn | […] | Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:34:58 +0100 | […] | References: <1ia1p6efkuy6j.ew455c20yr22$.dlg@40tude.net> <4129338.JVDsMHeclA@PointedEars.de> | […] `---- That was 2013-10-28 13:34:58 UTC. ,---- | Message-ID: <9415386.0xDGcqzFey@PointedEars.de> | From: Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn | […] | Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:37:03 +0100 | […] | Supersedes: <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de> `---- That was 2013-10-28 13:37:03 UTC (about 2 minutes later). To be sure (not all servers support “Supersedes” either), I sent the corresponding Cancel message only seconds later. ,---- | […] | From: Richard Damon | […] | References: <1ia1p6efkuy6j.ew455c20yr22$.dlg@40tude.net> <4129338.JVDsMHeclA@PointedEars.de> <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de> | In-Reply-To: <1434655.Yjjdx3QzlV@PointedEars.de> | […] | Message-ID: | […] | Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:29:53 -0400 | […] `---- That was 2013-10-29 01:29:53 UTC, more than 10 hours later. I would pity you for your slow 20th century newsfeed if it were so. I will now leave you to your further “misconceptions”, lest you do not waste more of my precious time. May you die in ignorance. *PLONK* F'up2 poster