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Re: Enigma, mal wieder

From "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org>
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Subject Re: Enigma, mal wieder
Date 2025-06-21 15:54 +0200
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Am 21.06.25 um 15:22 schrieb Walter Brill:
> Hallo,
> 
> Am 20.06.25 um 21:48 schrieb Lars Gebauer:
>> Am 20.06.2025 um 21:12 schrieb Goetz Schultz:
>>> On 20/06/2025 19:32, Lars Gebauer wrote:
>>>> "Man" ist halt ein Trottel. Seinerzeit gab es in der Wehrmacht 2 
>>>> Fraktionen: Die eine ging davon aus, daß die Enigma die Sicherheit 
>>>> der Kommunikation gewährleistet. Die andere Fraktion ging davon aus, 
>>>> daß die Erfolge der Alliierten nur durch einen erfolgreichen 
>>>> Einbruch in die deutsche Kommunikation möglich waren.
>>>>
>>>> Die "Enigma ist sicher"-Fraktion setzte sich letztlich durch. Mit 
>>>> bekanntem Ergebnis.
>>>
>>> Die Enigma gilt/galt auch sicher. Nur durch Faulheit und Dekadenz 
>>> konnte man sie knacken (bekannter Klartext)
>>
>> Nein, es gab systematische Schwächen, die schon von den Polen erkannt 
>> und ausgenutzt wurden. Bedienerfehler (und ein paar glückliche 
>> Umstände) spielten den Briten zusätzlich in die Hände, waren aber 
>> nicht ausschlaggebend.
> 
> Ha! In Berlin gibt es ein *Deutsches Spionagemuseum*
> 
> "Rückblick: Der Enigma-Code – Wie Alan Turing die Nazis schlug"
> 
> D-Day:
> "...Einen der größten Erfolge feierte man mit dieser Prozedur am 6. Juni 
> 1944, an dem Tag der Landung der Alliierten in der Normandie (D-Day). In 
> verschlüsselten Nachrichten der deutschen Seite, hinter denen man 
> Wetterberichte vermutete, suchte man nach der Formulierung 
> „WETTERVORHERSAGEBISKAYA“, fand entsprechende Muster und konnte daraus 
> die Einstellungen der Enigma ableiten. Somit waren die Briten in der 
> Lage, an diesem für den Kriegsverlauf entscheidenden Tag sämtliche 
> Funksprüche der Deutschen zu entschlüsseln."
> <https://www.deutsches-spionagemuseum.de/2017/12/07/der-enigma-code-wie- 
> alan-turing-die-nazis-schlug>
> 
> Ciao
> Walter


Mag ja sein.

Aber auch ohne entschlüsselte Funksprüche wären die Landungsboote nicht 
plötzlich verschwunden.

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