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  Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-20 22:27 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-21 07:40 +0100
      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-21 08:10 +0100
        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-21 08:58 +0100
          Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2026-05-21 11:26 +0100
            Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> - 2026-05-22 11:46 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-05-21 09:11 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> - 2026-05-21 10:27 +0100
      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-21 10:37 +0100
        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-23 12:13 +0100
          Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-23 12:44 +0100
            Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-05-23 20:29 +0100
            Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-24 10:42 +0100
              Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 11:30 +0100
                Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-24 13:36 +0100
                  Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-24 15:24 +0100
                    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-24 16:41 +0100
                      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-25 10:26 +0100
                        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-25 11:29 +0100
                          Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-26 09:13 +0100
                Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-25 10:28 +0100
                  Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-25 12:35 +0100
                    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-25 17:45 +0100
                      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-26 09:16 +0100
                    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> - 2026-05-26 09:15 +0100
    Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-05-21 19:08 +0100
      Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues Davey <davey@example.invalid> - 2026-05-21 20:04 +0100
        Re: Analogue to Digital Voice issues grinch <grinch@somewhere.net> - 2026-05-22 10:26 +0100

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#39576 — Analogue to Digital Voice issues

I've just changed from analogue (BT) to Digital Voice (Zen. I've been 
using them as my ISP for 10 years. FTTC for the last two years). The 
phone is a Panasonic DECT Cordless KX-TG8062E, 13 years old.

It wasn't without issue. Firstly, I hadn't noticed that the phone plug 
to the NTE5 (431A) and that to the Fritz!Box router (RJ11-4) weren't the 
same! At first I couldn't find the 431A - RJ11 adaptor, so used a spare 
RJ11-4 - RJ11-4 cable I had. After rebooting the router, I soon got a 
dialling tone on the DECT handset. As I keyed a number, I heard the 
tones when the keys were pressed; after a few seconds I heard an engaged 
tone. When I tried again a few minutes later the same thing happened, 
and again with a different number. I contacted the first number with my 
mobile without problem, and was told the phone hadn't been engaged. I 
then called my mobile from the DECT phone. I could hear ringing tones on 
my DECT phone, but the mobile didn't ring.

I emailed Zen, and they replied quickly that there had been "an issue 
with the finalisation" (whatever that means). Next morning, I was able 
to call and receive calls without problem. So the issue was resolved by 
Zen within a few hours.

There remains a strange problem, though, when using the DECT 
answerphone. This had always worked without problem when analogue, but I 
tried it calling the phone from my mobile, and letting it go to 
answerphone mode. After recording a few words, I touched "end call" on 
the mobile. I immediately heard about a half-dozen or so "engaged" tones 
on the mobile before the call disconnected. Even more oddly, when I 
played back my recorded words the engaged tones had been recorded too!

Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT 
answerphone? The Fritz!Box does have an answerphone facility, but it's 
more awkward to use than the DECT answerphone.

Anyway, I'm pleased that I took the decision to get Digital Voice now. I 
wonder what will happen when the rush happens next year and there are 
similar problems to those I had to be sorted out with a large number of 
customers.

-- 
Jeff

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#39577

Jeff Layman wrote:

> Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT 
> answerphone?

No, but my setup isn't directly comparable to yours ...

I have VoIP service from voipfone instead of Digital Voice from my ISP, 
with a Gigaset DX800a (combined desk phone, DECT base and answer machine).

The Gigaset no longer uses any RJ11 or BT431A connection as its "phone 
line", it has an ethernet connection.

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#39578

On 21/05/2026 07:40, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
> 
>> Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT
>> answerphone?
> 
> No, but my setup isn't directly comparable to yours ...
> 
> I have VoIP service from voipfone instead of Digital Voice from my ISP,
> with a Gigaset DX800a (combined desk phone, DECT base and answer machine).

That's an impressive feature-rich phone (with a price to match)! I see 
that, according to the Amazon reviews page, it requires "converters" to 
work in the UK as it's meant for use in Germany.

> The Gigaset no longer uses any RJ11 or BT431A connection as its "phone
> line", it has an ethernet connection.

I don't use the ethernet capabilities of the Fritz!Box now, although I 
have used it in the past with an old Panasonic PVR which didn't have 
WiFi. The Fritz!Box has a DECT facility to connect directly to the 
handset (if it's compatible - I haven't checked yet). However, staying 
with with RJ11 connection I might set up the Fritz!Box's answerphone 
facility just to see if that records the engaged tone as well. If it 
does, that would suggest that the issue lies in whatever Zen is using to 
connect to my Digital Voice phone.

I'm afraid that I'm ignorant of how DV actually works. Is there still an 
"exchange" somewhere? If not, how does "the system" know how to connect 
anyone phoning me from their phone - DV or otherwise - to my DV phone?

-- 
Jeff

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#39579

Jeff Layman wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Gigaset DX800a (combined desk phone, DECT base and answer 
>> machine).
> 
> That's an impressive feature-rich phone (with a price to match)!

The original one developed a weird fault, replaced with a secondhand one 
for £54

> I see that, according to the Amazon reviews page, it requires
> "converters" to work in the UK as it's meant for use in Germany.

Maybe if it was used on an ISDN line, but I've never used any "converters"
>> The Gigaset no longer uses any RJ11 or BT431A connection as its "phone
>> line", it has an ethernet connection.
> 
> I don't use the ethernet capabilities of the Fritz!Box now, although I 
> have used it in the past with an old Panasonic PVR which didn't have 
> WiFi. The Fritz!Box has a DECT facility to connect directly to the 
> handset (if it's compatible - I haven't checked yet). However, staying 
> with with RJ11 connection I might set up the Fritz!Box's answerphone 
> facility just to see if that records the engaged tone as well. If it 
> does, that would suggest that the issue lies in whatever Zen is using to 
> connect to my Digital Voice phone.


Do Zen fully manage the Fritz!Box, or can you configure it?  Maybe the 
line impedance matching, or ring cadence isn't quite right and confusing 
your DECT phone?

  > I'm afraid that I'm ignorant of how DV actually works. Is there 
still an
> "exchange" somewhere? If not, how does "the system" know how to connect 
> anyone phoning me from their phone - DV or otherwise - to my DV phone?

I don't know all the details, but in effect your phone number is 
looked-up in a database and "redirected" to a VoIP gateway, to be 
delivered over a second VLAN on PPPoE over your FTTC connection, the 
router then breaks that out to its analogue (FXS) port ... something 
like that.

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#39583

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
> 
> > I'm afraid that I'm ignorant of how DV actually works.  Is there still
> > an "exchange" somewhere?  If not, how does "the system" know how to
> > connect anyone phoning me from their phone - DV or otherwise - to my DV
> > phone?
> 
> I don't know all the details, but in effect your phone number is 
> looked-up in a database and "redirected" to a VoIP gateway, to be 
> delivered over a second VLAN on PPPoE over your FTTC connection, the 
> router then breaks that out to its analogue (FXS) port ... something 
> like that.

Roughly speaking, the 'exchange' is now a server box in their datacentre,
hooked up to the internet.

Your router keeps registered with your ISP's SIP server.  I'm not sure
there's VLANs involved, at least for some ISPs you can connect over the
internet if you can find out the login details (which they try to hide from
you).  The router finds out these details as part of its account
provisioning (eg via TR-104 over TR-069).

An incoming call goes first to the owner of the number range (eg Openreach
if it was originally on a BT exchange) who look it up in their database and
redirect it to the ISP.  The ISP posts a route saying 'the server handling
01234 567890 is sip.isp.net'.

The ISP server looks up the number in the database, finds which client it
needs to talk to.  It sends a message to the SIP client in your router
saying 'incoming call for 01234 567890'.  The SIP client then negotiates
media (a channel over the internet for audio to be sent back and forth) with
the caller.  Then the router rings the attached phone.

I believe in the case of Zen they aren't running their own SIP server,
they're renting an Openreach one.  So in that case the infrastructure is
Openreach's rather than Zen's, but it works the same way.
(it's possible in this specific case they use VLANs - I know Sky don't)

Theo

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#39588

On 21/05/2026 11:26, Theo wrote:
> Your router keeps registered with your ISP's SIP server.  I'm not sure
> there's VLANs involved, at least for some ISPs you can connect over the
> internet if you can find out the login details (which they try to hide from
> you).  

This only applies to ISPs like BT retail, who provide a combined 
service.  Some ISPs don't provide telephony and some sell their ITSP and 
ISP services as different, and separable, products, so you can use the 
telephony over any other ISP, who doesn't block the ports used.  The 
sort of provider that sells independent products doesn't lock down the 
login credentials.

BT use a VLAN to carry the PPP over Ethernet for their combined voice 
service, and distinguish it from the PPP over Ethernet for the internet 
service.  I think it would be theoretically possible to use their voice 
service with a different head end internet service provider.

With providers that provide ITSP services separately, the SIP user agent 
need not be part of the router, or you could have one in the router, and 
also direct IP connections to other ones.  They would use the same PPP 
over Ethernet connection for both internet and telephone.

> 
> The ISP server looks up the number in the database, finds which client it
> needs to talk to.  It sends a message to the SIP client in your router

Pet peeve.  It sends it to the SIP server in the router.  It might be 
technically valid to say a VoIP client, but SIP is a symmetric protocol, 
unlike analogue telephony, and the side initiating the call is the SIP 
Client User Agent (UAC), and the side receiving it is the SIP Server 
User Agent (UAS), so once one introduces SIP, one should align with the 
SIP usage of client and server. (Actually, it is possible for UAS and 
UAC client roles to switch during a call.)

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#39580

Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

> got a dialling tone on the DECT handset. As I keyed a number, I heard
> the tones when the keys were pressed; after a few seconds I heard an
> engaged tone. When I tried again a few minutes later the same thing
> happened, and again with a different number. I contacted the first
> number with my mobile without problem, and was told the phone hadn't
> been engaged. I then called my mobile from the DECT phone. I could
> hear ringing tones on my DECT phone, but the mobile didn't ring.

I hear an engaged tone at the end of calls, where the other person hangs
up. In the days of analog phone I think there was silence, followed by a
continuous tone.

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#39581

On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
> 
> Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT 
> answerphone? The Fritz!Box does have an answerphone facility, but it's more 
> awkward to use than the DECT answerphone.

  Have you tried pairing your phone with the built in DECT of the Fritz!Box?
https://www.zen.co.uk/help-support/pair-dect

  (I'm not with zen, my panasonic DECT phones have better audio connected 
to the router's DECT, but can only save the CLID with a wired connection).

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#39582

On Thu, 21 May 2026 10:27:29 +0100
Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:

> On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT 
> > answerphone? The Fritz!Box does have an answerphone facility, but
> > it's more awkward to use than the DECT answerphone.  
> 
>   Have you tried pairing your phone with the built in DECT of the
> Fritz!Box? https://www.zen.co.uk/help-support/pair-dect
> 
>   (I'm not with zen, my panasonic DECT phones have better audio
> connected to the router's DECT, but can only save the CLID with a
> wired connection).

I am with Zen and Digital Voice, and I have 4 Panasonic DECT handsets,
with the base station plugged into the FON socket on the Fritz!Box. They
perform as expected, I use the handsets' answering machine, and I see
the full (apparent) calling number displayed with no problem.
So it can work.

-- 
Davey.

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#39589

On Thu, 21 May 2026 10:37:33 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 May 2026 10:27:29 +0100
>Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> > 
>> > Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice DECT 
>> > answerphone? The Fritz!Box does have an answerphone facility, but
>> > it's more awkward to use than the DECT answerphone.  
>> 
>>   Have you tried pairing your phone with the built in DECT of the
>> Fritz!Box? https://www.zen.co.uk/help-support/pair-dect
>> 
>>   (I'm not with zen, my panasonic DECT phones have better audio
>> connected to the router's DECT, but can only save the CLID with a
>> wired connection).
>
>I am with Zen and Digital Voice, and I have 4 Panasonic DECT handsets,
>with the base station plugged into the FON socket on the Fritz!Box. They
>perform as expected, I use the handsets' answering machine, and I see
>the full (apparent) calling number displayed with no problem.
>So it can work.

Similar here, but I soon threw out my Panasonic DECT base station and
connected my Panasonic and Siemens handsets to the Fritz!Box's DECT
base station. All worked correctly.

Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
have call screening.

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#39590

On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:13:19 +0100
Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 May 2026 10:37:33 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 21 May 2026 10:27:29 +0100
> >Nick Finnigan <nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 20/05/2026 22:27, Jeff Layman wrote:  
> >> > 
> >> > Anyone experienced anything like this with their Digital Voice
> >> > DECT answerphone? The Fritz!Box does have an answerphone
> >> > facility, but it's more awkward to use than the DECT
> >> > answerphone.    
> >> 
> >>   Have you tried pairing your phone with the built in DECT of the
> >> Fritz!Box? https://www.zen.co.uk/help-support/pair-dect
> >> 
> >>   (I'm not with zen, my panasonic DECT phones have better audio
> >> connected to the router's DECT, but can only save the CLID with a
> >> wired connection).  
> >
> >I am with Zen and Digital Voice, and I have 4 Panasonic DECT
> >handsets, with the base station plugged into the FON socket on the
> >Fritz!Box. They perform as expected, I use the handsets' answering
> >machine, and I see the full (apparent) calling number displayed with
> >no problem. So it can work.  
> 
> Similar here, but I soon threw out my Panasonic DECT base station and
> connected my Panasonic and Siemens handsets to the Fritz!Box's DECT
> base station. All worked correctly.
> 
> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
> have call screening.

My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, then
the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the call. I
see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage either.
Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
have the 'phone right there with me.
Horses for courses.

-- 
Davey.

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#39591

On 2026/5/23 12:44:43, Davey wrote:
[]
> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, then
> the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the call. I
> see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage either.
> Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
> handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
> have the 'phone right there with me.
> Horses for courses.
> 
By "barred", I presume you mean the list of numbers calls from which are
blocked. As you say, horses for courses - I suppose some people _will_
have such numbers, for personal or business reasons; for just blocking
spam, phishing etc. purposes, I've never found any point (since all the
ones I've tried to 1572-1 have been "unknown" anyway [whatever 1471 says]).
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"We're plumbing shallows we didn't know existed here" - Jeremy Paxman
(as quizmaster of "University Challenge"), 1998 (when losing team
suddenly put on a spurt by showing knowledge of things like the
Eurovision Song Contest ...)

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#39592

On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>> 
>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
>> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
>> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
>> have call screening.
>
>My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, then
>the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the call. I
>see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage either.
>Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
>handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
>have the 'phone right there with me.
>Horses for courses.

The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.

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#39593

On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics and
>>> added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to divert to
>>> answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I
>>> have call screening.
>>
>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed, then
>> the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen the call. I
>> see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an advantage either.
>> Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside
>> handset as an alarm clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I
>> have the 'phone right there with me.
>> Horses for courses.
> 
> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.

But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT 
handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to the 
DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present - the 
"engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI still 
works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in 
answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is left, 
but haven't had a reply.

-- 
Jeff

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#39594

On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >   
> >>>
> >>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
> >>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics
> >>> and added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to
> >>> divert to answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the
> >>> Fritz!FON, so I have call screening.  
> >>
> >> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed,
> >> then the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen
> >> the call. I see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an
> >> advantage either. Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory.
> >> I use my bedside handset as an alarm clock, and if the
> >> Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I have the 'phone right there with
> >> me. Horses for courses.  
> > 
> > The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
> > redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
> > router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.  
> 
> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT 
> handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to
> the DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present -
> the "engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI
> still works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in 
> answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is
> left, but haven't had a reply.
> 

According to the manual:
"Fon/DECT LED:
flashing. Messages in your voice mailbox.
(Function must be supported by the telephony provider.)
off. No devices registering ".

-- 
Davey.

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#39595

On 24/05/2026 13:36, Davey wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100
> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming landline
>>>>> calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the Panasonics
>>>>> and added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the Fritx!Box to
>>>>> divert to answerphone after 10s and play the audio through the
>>>>> Fritz!FON, so I have call screening.
>>>>
>>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum allowed,
>>>> then the answering machine part answers, and allows me to screen
>>>> the call. I see nothing wrong with your setup, but I don't see an
>>>> advantage either. Except probably a bigger 'Barred' number memory.
>>>> I use my bedside handset as an alarm clock, and if the
>>>> Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I have the 'phone right there with
>>>> me. Horses for courses.
>>>
>>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
>>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
>>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.
>>
>> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the DECT
>> handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio connection to
>> the DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's working at present -
>> the "engaged" tone with answerphone is a minor annoyance - and CLI
>> still works well. I asked Zen Support if, when using the Fritz!Box in
>> answerphone mode, the Fon led lights up when a recorded message is
>> left, but haven't had a reply.
>>
> 
> According to the manual:
> "Fon/DECT LED:
> flashing. Messages in your voice mailbox.
> (Function must be supported by the telephony provider.)
> off. No devices registering ".

Yep. That's what I found in the manual, so asked Zen (the "telephony 
provider") before I bothered fiddling with the Fritz!Box's answerphone. 
If it doesn't work, there's no point in using it - the Panasonic's led 
lights when there's a message waiting.

-- 
Jeff

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#39596

On Sun, 24 May 2026 15:24:02 +0100
Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 24/05/2026 13:36, Davey wrote:
> > On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100
> > Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:  
> >>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>      
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming
> >>>>> landline calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the
> >>>>> Panasonics and added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the
> >>>>> Fritx!Box to divert to answerphone after 10s and play the audio
> >>>>> through the Fritz!FON, so I have call screening.  
> >>>>
> >>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum
> >>>> allowed, then the answering machine part answers, and allows me
> >>>> to screen the call. I see nothing wrong with your setup, but I
> >>>> don't see an advantage either. Except probably a bigger 'Barred'
> >>>> number memory. I use my bedside handset as an alarm clock, and
> >>>> if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I have the 'phone right
> >>>> there with me. Horses for courses.  
> >>>
> >>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
> >>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
> >>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.  
> >>
> >> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the
> >> DECT handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio
> >> connection to the DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's
> >> working at present - the "engaged" tone with answerphone is a
> >> minor annoyance - and CLI still works well. I asked Zen Support
> >> if, when using the Fritz!Box in answerphone mode, the Fon led
> >> lights up when a recorded message is left, but haven't had a reply.
> >>  
> > 
> > According to the manual:
> > "Fon/DECT LED:
> > flashing. Messages in your voice mailbox.
> > (Function must be supported by the telephony provider.)
> > off. No devices registering ".  
> 
> Yep. That's what I found in the manual, so asked Zen (the "telephony 
> provider") before I bothered fiddling with the Fritz!Box's
> answerphone. If it doesn't work, there's no point in using it - the
> Panasonic's led lights when there's a message waiting.
> 
It Flashes, even. The other handsets display it at the bottom of the
tiny screen, you have to check closely to see it.

-- 
Davey.

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#39598

On Sun, 24 May 2026 16:41:18 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 May 2026 15:24:02 +0100
>Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 24/05/2026 13:36, Davey wrote:
>> > On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100
>> > Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >   
>> >> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:  
>> >>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>      
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming
>> >>>>> landline calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of the
>> >>>>> Panasonics and added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured the
>> >>>>> Fritx!Box to divert to answerphone after 10s and play the audio
>> >>>>> through the Fritz!FON, so I have call screening.  
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum
>> >>>> allowed, then the answering machine part answers, and allows me
>> >>>> to screen the call. I see nothing wrong with your setup, but I
>> >>>> don't see an advantage either. Except probably a bigger 'Barred'
>> >>>> number memory. I use my bedside handset as an alarm clock, and
>> >>>> if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I have the 'phone right
>> >>>> there with me. Horses for courses.  
>> >>>
>> >>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to keep a
>> >>> redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything physically into the
>> >>> router, which is in a room that doesn't need a landline phone.  
>> >>
>> >> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the
>> >> DECT handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio
>> >> connection to the DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's
>> >> working at present - the "engaged" tone with answerphone is a
>> >> minor annoyance - and CLI still works well. I asked Zen Support
>> >> if, when using the Fritz!Box in answerphone mode, the Fon led
>> >> lights up when a recorded message is left, but haven't had a reply.
>> >>  
>> > 
>> > According to the manual:
>> > "Fon/DECT LED:
>> > flashing. Messages in your voice mailbox.
>> > (Function must be supported by the telephony provider.)
>> > off. No devices registering ".  
>> 
>> Yep. That's what I found in the manual, so asked Zen (the "telephony 
>> provider") before I bothered fiddling with the Fritz!Box's
>> answerphone. If it doesn't work, there's no point in using it - the
>> Panasonic's led lights when there's a message waiting.
>> 
>It Flashes, even. The other handsets display it at the bottom of the
>tiny screen, you have to check closely to see it.

My Panasonic flashes when there's a message in the Fritz!Box, as did
the old Giogaset that i've binned.

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#39600

On Mon, 25 May 2026 10:26:35 +0100
Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 May 2026 16:41:18 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 24 May 2026 15:24:02 +0100
> >Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 24/05/2026 13:36, Davey wrote:  
> >> > On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100
> >> > Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >     
> >> >> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:    
> >> >>> On Sat, 23 May 2026 12:44:43 +0100, Davey
> >> >>> <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>>        
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Since then, due to my very low volume of genuine incoming
> >> >>>>> landline calls, I've binned the Siemens and all but one of
> >> >>>>> the Panasonics and added a single Fritz!FON. I've configured
> >> >>>>> the Fritx!Box to divert to answerphone after 10s and play
> >> >>>>> the audio through the Fritz!FON, so I have call screening.
> >> >>>>>  
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> My DECT 'phones let an incoming call ring for the maximum
> >> >>>> allowed, then the answering machine part answers, and allows
> >> >>>> me to screen the call. I see nothing wrong with your setup,
> >> >>>> but I don't see an advantage either. Except probably a bigger
> >> >>>> 'Barred' number memory. I use my bedside handset as an alarm
> >> >>>> clock, and if the Intruder/Fire alarm goes off, I have the
> >> >>>> 'phone right there with me. Horses for courses.    
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The only advantage I'm claiming is that I no lomger need to
> >> >>> keep a redundant DECT base station, nor plug anything
> >> >>> physically into the router, which is in a room that doesn't
> >> >>> need a landline phone.    
> >> >>
> >> >> But you need a base station (even just a "dumb" one) to keep the
> >> >> DECT handset charged. I haven't tried the Fritz!Box radio
> >> >> connection to the DECT phone yet. I'm content with how it's
> >> >> working at present - the "engaged" tone with answerphone is a
> >> >> minor annoyance - and CLI still works well. I asked Zen Support
> >> >> if, when using the Fritz!Box in answerphone mode, the Fon led
> >> >> lights up when a recorded message is left, but haven't had a
> >> >> reply. 
> >> > 
> >> > According to the manual:
> >> > "Fon/DECT LED:
> >> > flashing. Messages in your voice mailbox.
> >> > (Function must be supported by the telephony provider.)
> >> > off. No devices registering ".    
> >> 
> >> Yep. That's what I found in the manual, so asked Zen (the
> >> "telephony provider") before I bothered fiddling with the
> >> Fritz!Box's answerphone. If it doesn't work, there's no point in
> >> using it - the Panasonic's led lights when there's a message
> >> waiting. 
> >It Flashes, even. The other handsets display it at the bottom of the
> >tiny screen, you have to check closely to see it.  
> 
> My Panasonic flashes when there's a message in the Fritz!Box, as did
> the old Giogaset that i've binned.
> 

Does the FON light flash also? Not that I care, I don't intend to use
the Fritz!Box as an answerphone, but for completion of the puzzle.
And I wonder if this a function of the Fritz!Box for any provider, or
only those which support the flashing function? 
So many questions....

-- 
Davey.

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#39609

On Mon, 25 May 2026 11:29:00 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Mon, 25 May 2026 10:26:35 +0100
>Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 May 2026 16:41:18 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sun, 24 May 2026 15:24:02 +0100
>> >Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >  
>> >> On 24/05/2026 13:36, Davey wrote:  
>> >> > On Sun, 24 May 2026 11:30:42 +0100
>> >> > Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >     
>> >> >> On 24/05/2026 10:42, Trolleybus wrote:    
>.  
>> 
>> My Panasonic flashes when there's a message in the Fritz!Box, as did
>> the old Giogaset that i've binned.
>> 
>
>Does the FON light flash also? Not that I care, I don't intend to use
>the Fritz!Box as an answerphone, but for completion of the puzzle.
>And I wonder if this a function of the Fritz!Box for any provider, or
>only those which support the flashing function? 
>So many questions....

I don't know, as I never look at the router.

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