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So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 10:25 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 06:34 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 13:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 06:46 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 10:37 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:55 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:46 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:55 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:07 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:16 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:17 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 22:08 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:34 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:54 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:21 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:22 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:53 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:33 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 17:17 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:00 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:17 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 18:22 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 18:59 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:19 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 19:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 19:52 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:49 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 20:56 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:20 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:52 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:58 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 00:18 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:34 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 14:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:21 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 07:37 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:47 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:44 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? John <Man@the.keyboard> - 2025-02-17 00:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:48 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:25 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:43 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-16 14:57 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 20:51 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 21:13 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:19 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:25 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 23:38 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-16 16:19 -0600
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-16 23:49 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org> - 2025-02-17 15:58 -0600
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <BD@invalid.email> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-02-17 15:08 -0800
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-02-19 23:10 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-19 23:29 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:50 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 15:42 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-23 00:03 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 02:22 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 08:52 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 14:16 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-03-08 22:33 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 23:19 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:39 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 23:30 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:11 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:18 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 17:25 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 00:58 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 18:51 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 01:55 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 19:01 -0700
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 02:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:38 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David@home.today> - 2025-02-22 22:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 23:08 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:46 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:43 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-17 15:07 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 01:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 05:21 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 05:54 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:45 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 10:28 +0100
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-03-04 10:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 04:52 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 12:46 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 08:04 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:47 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-02-26 09:49 -0500
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:24 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 15:05 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:08 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:42 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 16:56 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 17:11 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 17:30 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 19:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 19:57 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 08:35 +0100
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 08:36 +0000
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-26 11:41 +0100
Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-02-26 14:02 +0000
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 23:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180237 |
On 16/02/2025 21:23, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 2:20:52 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1f35kF6rs0U5@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 16/02/2025 20:56, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:49:40 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m1f1b4F6rs0U2@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 16/02/2025 19:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 12:36:30 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>>> <m1et1uF5v3qU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>> >>>>>> On 16/02/2025 19:19, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 11:59:37 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>> <m1eqspF5v3rU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 18:22, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 11:17:11 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>>>> <m1eod8F5hkeU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 18:00, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 10:17:56 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> <m1eku4F4vrhU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 15:33, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 3:25:12 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> <m1dso8F1e0qU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't that come from an email? And it was quarantined. Not sure what good >>>>>>>>>>>>> erasing the hard drive will do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless of where it came from, ClamXAV reported it as malware. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure. From what I can tell, sitting harmlessly in an email until it was >>>>>>>>>>> quarantined. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The whole point of a Trojan is that they *DON'T* "sit harmlessly!"' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you ever run the app? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've no idea! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>> >>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>> >>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>> >>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>> >>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. >> >> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. > > It is dependent on the Clam engine. For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software. >>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside >>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated >>> stuff. >>>> >>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>> >>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>> >>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>> >>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). >> >> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! > > OK. Any reason to think it was not? Response from the ASC forum. THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) > > So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) <thumb> > But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( Any ideas? -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 23:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b27a31$5$14$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180247 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>> >>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>> >>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. >>> >>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >> >> It is dependent on the Clam engine. > > For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software. From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. He does not modify the engine. > >>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside >>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated >>>> stuff. >>>>> >>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>> >>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>> >>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>> >>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). >>> >>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! >> >> OK. Any reason to think it was not? > > Response from the ASC forum. > > THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png That does not answer the question. > >>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >> >> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) > > <thumb> > >> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. > > I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( > > Any ideas? Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <BD@invalid.email> |
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| Date | 2025-02-16 23:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180249 |
On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: > > ... > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>>> >>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. >>>> >>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>> >>> It is dependent on the Clam engine. >> >> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software. > > From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. He does not > modify the engine. He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE! >>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside >>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated >>>>> stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>>> >>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). >>>> >>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! >>> >>> OK. Any reason to think it was not? >> >> Response from the ASC forum. >> >> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png > > That does not answer the question. Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>> >>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >> >> <thumb> >> >>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >> >> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >> >> Any ideas? > > Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and > third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so > much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden > in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents > for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! HTH -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 00:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b28043$20$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180251 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:58:55 PM MST, "David" wrote
<m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net>:
> On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote
>> <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then
>>>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did.
>>>>>
>>>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV.
>>>>
>>>> It is dependent on the Clam engine.
>>>
>>> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software.
>>
>> From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. He does not
>> modify the engine.
>
> He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE!
Not going to contact him, but I did ask ChatGPT:
-----
The author of ClamXAV, ClamXAV Software, doesn’t typically alter the
underlying ClamAV engine itself but customizes the way it interacts with macOS
to provide an easy-to-use interface and better integration with the system.
ClamXAV leverages ClamAV for virus detection and scanning but wraps it in a
macOS-friendly UI, often adding additional features like automatic updates,
scheduled scans, and integration with system security mechanisms.
However, ClamXAV is based on ClamAV’s open-source engine, so while it might
optimize or configure it to work better with macOS, the core ClamAV scanning
engine remains largely unchanged.
-----
I asked what might change... and got this:
-----
When I say “largely unchanged,” I mean that the core functionality and
scanning engine of ClamAV remain intact, but there could be some customization
in how the engine operates within ClamXAV. Specifically, the author or
ClamXAV’s developers might make adjustments in the following areas:
1. Integration with macOS: The user interface (UI) and experience are
tailored to work seamlessly with macOS, so they might modify how ClamAV
interacts with macOS-specific features like the file system, permissions, or
notification system.
2. Performance Tweaks: To improve efficiency or resource usage on macOS,
ClamXAV might apply certain optimizations or adjust default settings like
memory usage, scan speeds, or scanning depth.
3. Customization of Signature Updates: ClamXAV likely handles the
signature database differently, such as automating updates or setting custom
preferences for when and how updates are fetched, which could differ from
ClamAV’s default method.
4. Reporting and Logging: The way ClamXAV displays scan results, handles
alerts, or logs information might be modified for a smoother macOS experience.
This could include changing the format or type of reports or providing more
user-friendly options for viewing scan results.
5. UI Customization: While ClamAV is a command-line tool, ClamXAV
provides a graphical interface. The author might tweak how scans are
initiated, how progress is displayed, and how the user can interact with the
program.
In general, these are optimizations or alterations aimed at improving
usability on macOS rather than changing ClamAV’s core detection and scanning
functionality.
-----
That fits my prior understanding.
>
>>>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside
>>>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased).
>>>>>
>>>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive!
>>>>
>>>> OK. Any reason to think it was not?
>>>
>>> Response from the ASC forum.
>>>
>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png
>>
>> That does not answer the question.
>
> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message?
I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire.
>
>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!)
>>>>
>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :)
>>>
>>> <thumb>
>>>
>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back.
>>>
>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-(
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and
>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so
>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden
>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents
>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things.
>
> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"!
Enjoy your hobby.
I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We
shall see. Made the dough already.
>
> HTH
--
Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-26 12:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m28g3hF27d7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180254 |
On 17/02/2025 00:18, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:58:55 PM MST, "David" wrote > <m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>>>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. >>>>>> >>>>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>>>> >>>>> It is dependent on the Clam engine. >>>> >>>> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software. >>> >>> From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. He does not >>> modify the engine. >> >> He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE! > > Not going to contact him, but I did ask ChatGPT: I ask only because he will no correspond with me! > ----- > The author of ClamXAV, ClamXAV Software, doesn’t typically alter the > underlying ClamAV engine itself but customizes the way it interacts with macOS > to provide an easy-to-use interface and better integration with the system. > ClamXAV leverages ClamAV for virus detection and scanning but wraps it in a > macOS-friendly UI, often adding additional features like automatic updates, > scheduled scans, and integration with system security mechanisms. > > However, ClamXAV is based on ClamAV’s open-source engine, so while it might > optimize or configure it to work better with macOS, the core ClamAV scanning > engine remains largely unchanged. > ----- > > I asked what might change... and got this: > ----- > When I say “largely unchanged,” I mean that the core functionality and > scanning engine of ClamAV remain intact, but there could be some customization > in how the engine operates within ClamXAV. Specifically, the author or > ClamXAV’s developers might make adjustments in the following areas: > 1. Integration with macOS: The user interface (UI) and experience are > tailored to work seamlessly with macOS, so they might modify how ClamAV > interacts with macOS-specific features like the file system, permissions, or > notification system. > 2. Performance Tweaks: To improve efficiency or resource usage on macOS, > ClamXAV might apply certain optimizations or adjust default settings like > memory usage, scan speeds, or scanning depth. > 3. Customization of Signature Updates: ClamXAV likely handles the > signature database differently, such as automating updates or setting custom > preferences for when and how updates are fetched, which could differ from > ClamAV’s default method. > 4. Reporting and Logging: The way ClamXAV displays scan results, handles > alerts, or logs information might be modified for a smoother macOS experience. > This could include changing the format or type of reports or providing more > user-friendly options for viewing scan results. > 5. UI Customization: While ClamAV is a command-line tool, ClamXAV > provides a graphical interface. The author might tweak how scans are > initiated, how progress is displayed, and how the user can interact with the > program. > > In general, these are optimizations or alterations aimed at improving > usability on macOS rather than changing ClamAV’s core detection and scanning > functionality. > ----- > > That fits my prior understanding. OK. I don' dispute any of that. >>>>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside >>>>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated >>>>>>> stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). >>>>>> >>>>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! >>>>> >>>>> OK. Any reason to think it was not? >>>> >>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>> >>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>> >>> That does not answer the question. >> >> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? > > I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire. Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). >>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>> >>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>> >>>> <thumb> >>>> >>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >>>> >>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and >>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so >>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden >>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents >>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >> >> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! > > Enjoy your hobby. Haha! 🙂 I surely do! > I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We > shall see. Made the dough already. I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) -- Warm regards, David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-26 14:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67bf20f9$9$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180492 |
On Feb 26, 2025 at 5:34:57 AM MST, "David" wrote <m28g3hF27d7U1@mid.individual.net>: > On 17/02/2025 00:18, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:58:55 PM MST, "David" wrote >> <m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>> <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>>>>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is dependent on the Clam engine. >>>>> >>>>> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software. >>>> >>>> From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. He does not >>>> modify the engine. >>> >>> He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE! >> >> Not going to contact him, but I did ask ChatGPT: > > I ask only because he will no correspond with me! > >> ----- >> The author of ClamXAV, ClamXAV Software, doesn’t typically alter the >> underlying ClamAV engine itself but customizes the way it interacts with macOS >> to provide an easy-to-use interface and better integration with the system. >> ClamXAV leverages ClamAV for virus detection and scanning but wraps it in a >> macOS-friendly UI, often adding additional features like automatic updates, >> scheduled scans, and integration with system security mechanisms. >> >> However, ClamXAV is based on ClamAV’s open-source engine, so while it might >> optimize or configure it to work better with macOS, the core ClamAV scanning >> engine remains largely unchanged. >> ----- >> >> I asked what might change... and got this: >> ----- >> When I say “largely unchanged,” I mean that the core functionality and >> scanning engine of ClamAV remain intact, but there could be some customization >> in how the engine operates within ClamXAV. Specifically, the author or >> ClamXAV’s developers might make adjustments in the following areas: >> 1. Integration with macOS: The user interface (UI) and experience are >> tailored to work seamlessly with macOS, so they might modify how ClamAV >> interacts with macOS-specific features like the file system, permissions, or >> notification system. >> 2. Performance Tweaks: To improve efficiency or resource usage on macOS, >> ClamXAV might apply certain optimizations or adjust default settings like >> memory usage, scan speeds, or scanning depth. >> 3. Customization of Signature Updates: ClamXAV likely handles the >> signature database differently, such as automating updates or setting custom >> preferences for when and how updates are fetched, which could differ from >> ClamAV’s default method. >> 4. Reporting and Logging: The way ClamXAV displays scan results, handles >> alerts, or logs information might be modified for a smoother macOS experience. >> This could include changing the format or type of reports or providing more >> user-friendly options for viewing scan results. >> 5. UI Customization: While ClamAV is a command-line tool, ClamXAV >> provides a graphical interface. The author might tweak how scans are >> initiated, how progress is displayed, and how the user can interact with the >> program. >> >> In general, these are optimizations or alterations aimed at improving >> usability on macOS rather than changing ClamAV’s core detection and scanning >> functionality. >> ----- >> >> That fits my prior understanding. > > OK. I don' dispute any of that. Good! > >>>>>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside >>>>>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated >>>>>>>> stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! >>>>>> >>>>>> OK. Any reason to think it was not? >>>>> >>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>> >>>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>> >>>> That does not answer the question. >>> >>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >> >> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire. > > Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove > anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. > >>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>> >>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>> >>>>> <thumb> >>>>> >>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and >>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so >>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden >>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents >>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>> >>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! >> >> Enjoy your hobby. > > Haha! 🙂 I surely do! Again: good! > >> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We >> shall see. Made the dough already. > > I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-26 14:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m28mc2F2vqjU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180498 |
On 26/02/2025 14:11, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 26, 2025 at 5:34:57 AM MST, "David" wrote > <m28g3hF27d7U1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 17/02/2025 00:18, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:58:55 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>>> <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>>>>>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is dependent on the Clam engine. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the software. >>>>> >>>>> From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. He does not >>>>> modify the engine. >>>> >>>> He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE! >>> >>> Not going to contact him, but I did ask ChatGPT: >> >> I ask only because he will no correspond with me! >> >>> ----- >>> The author of ClamXAV, ClamXAV Software, doesn’t typically alter the >>> underlying ClamAV engine itself but customizes the way it interacts with macOS >>> to provide an easy-to-use interface and better integration with the system. >>> ClamXAV leverages ClamAV for virus detection and scanning but wraps it in a >>> macOS-friendly UI, often adding additional features like automatic updates, >>> scheduled scans, and integration with system security mechanisms. >>> >>> However, ClamXAV is based on ClamAV’s open-source engine, so while it might >>> optimize or configure it to work better with macOS, the core ClamAV scanning >>> engine remains largely unchanged. >>> ----- >>> >>> I asked what might change... and got this: >>> ----- >>> When I say “largely unchanged,” I mean that the core functionality and >>> scanning engine of ClamAV remain intact, but there could be some customization >>> in how the engine operates within ClamXAV. Specifically, the author or >>> ClamXAV’s developers might make adjustments in the following areas: >>> 1. Integration with macOS: The user interface (UI) and experience are >>> tailored to work seamlessly with macOS, so they might modify how ClamAV >>> interacts with macOS-specific features like the file system, permissions, or >>> notification system. >>> 2. Performance Tweaks: To improve efficiency or resource usage on macOS, >>> ClamXAV might apply certain optimizations or adjust default settings like >>> memory usage, scan speeds, or scanning depth. >>> 3. Customization of Signature Updates: ClamXAV likely handles the >>> signature database differently, such as automating updates or setting custom >>> preferences for when and how updates are fetched, which could differ from >>> ClamAV’s default method. >>> 4. Reporting and Logging: The way ClamXAV displays scan results, handles >>> alerts, or logs information might be modified for a smoother macOS experience. >>> This could include changing the format or type of reports or providing more >>> user-friendly options for viewing scan results. >>> 5. UI Customization: While ClamAV is a command-line tool, ClamXAV >>> provides a graphical interface. The author might tweak how scans are >>> initiated, how progress is displayed, and how the user can interact with the >>> program. >>> >>> In general, these are optimizations or alterations aimed at improving >>> usability on macOS rather than changing ClamAV’s core detection and scanning >>> functionality. >>> ----- >>> >>> That fits my prior understanding. >> >> OK. I don' dispute any of that. > > Good! Ha! >>>>>>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside >>>>>>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated >>>>>>>>> stuff. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK. Any reason to think it was not? >>>>>> >>>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>>> >>>>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>>> >>>>> That does not answer the question. >>>> >>>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>> >>> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire. >> >> Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove >> anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). > > Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. *MOST* users of Apple computers are somewhat naive about how computers actually work! >>>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> <thumb> >>>>>> >>>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and >>>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so >>>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden >>>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents >>>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>>> >>>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! >>> >>> Enjoy your hobby. >> >> Haha! 🙂 I surely do! > > Again: good! It's good having you as a pal on-line! :-D >>> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We >>> shall see. Made the dough already. >> >> I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) > > I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. Wonderful! 🙂 -- David
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-02-26 07:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <s7-dne8w24CmuiL6nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #180499 |
David wrote: > On 26/02/2025 14:11, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 26, 2025 at 5:34:57 AM MST, "David" wrote >> <m28g3hF27d7U1@mid.individual.net>: >> >>> On 17/02/2025 00:18, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:58:55 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>> <m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net>: >>>> >>>>> On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>> <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>>> >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the >>>>>>>>>>>> attachment and then >>>>>>>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught >>>>>>>>>> that you did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is dependent on the Clam engine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the >>>>>>> software. >>>>>> >>>>>> From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. >>>>>> He does not >>>>>> modify the engine. >>>>> >>>>> He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE! >>>> >>>> Not going to contact him, but I did ask ChatGPT: >>> >>> I ask only because he will no correspond with me! >>> >>>> ----- >>>> The author of ClamXAV, ClamXAV Software, doesn’t typically alter the >>>> underlying ClamAV engine itself but customizes the way it interacts >>>> with macOS >>>> to provide an easy-to-use interface and better integration with the >>>> system. >>>> ClamXAV leverages ClamAV for virus detection and scanning but wraps >>>> it in a >>>> macOS-friendly UI, often adding additional features like automatic >>>> updates, >>>> scheduled scans, and integration with system security mechanisms. >>>> >>>> However, ClamXAV is based on ClamAV’s open-source engine, so while >>>> it might >>>> optimize or configure it to work better with macOS, the core ClamAV >>>> scanning >>>> engine remains largely unchanged. >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> I asked what might change... and got this: >>>> ----- >>>> When I say “largely unchanged,” I mean that the core functionality and >>>> scanning engine of ClamAV remain intact, but there could be some >>>> customization >>>> in how the engine operates within ClamXAV. Specifically, the author or >>>> ClamXAV’s developers might make adjustments in the following areas: >>>> 1. Integration with macOS: The user interface (UI) and >>>> experience are >>>> tailored to work seamlessly with macOS, so they might modify how ClamAV >>>> interacts with macOS-specific features like the file system, >>>> permissions, or >>>> notification system. >>>> 2. Performance Tweaks: To improve efficiency or resource >>>> usage on macOS, >>>> ClamXAV might apply certain optimizations or adjust default settings >>>> like >>>> memory usage, scan speeds, or scanning depth. >>>> 3. Customization of Signature Updates: ClamXAV likely >>>> handles the >>>> signature database differently, such as automating updates or >>>> setting custom >>>> preferences for when and how updates are fetched, which could differ >>>> from >>>> ClamAV’s default method. >>>> 4. Reporting and Logging: The way ClamXAV displays scan >>>> results, handles >>>> alerts, or logs information might be modified for a smoother macOS >>>> experience. >>>> This could include changing the format or type of reports or >>>> providing more >>>> user-friendly options for viewing scan results. >>>> 5. UI Customization: While ClamAV is a command-line tool, >>>> ClamXAV >>>> provides a graphical interface. The author might tweak how scans are >>>> initiated, how progress is displayed, and how the user can interact >>>> with the >>>> program. >>>> >>>> In general, these are optimizations or alterations aimed at improving >>>> usability on macOS rather than changing ClamAV’s core detection and >>>> scanning >>>> functionality. >>>> ----- >>>> >>>> That fits my prior understanding. >>> >>> OK. I don' dispute any of that. >> >> Good! > > Ha! > >>>>>>>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use >>>>>>>>>> software outside >>>>>>>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not >>>>>>>>>> use pirated >>>>>>>>>> stuff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as >>>>>>>>>> erased). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard >>>>>>>>> drive! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK. Any reason to think it was not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> THIS! >>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>>>> >>>>>> That does not answer the question. >>>>> >>>>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>>> >>>> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and >>>> desire. >>> >>> Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove >>> anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). >> >> Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. > > *MOST* users of Apple computers are somewhat naive about how computers > actually work! > >>>>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <thumb> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you >>>>>>>> brought it back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that >>>>>> Apple and >>>>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth >>>>>> focusing so >>>>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has >>>>>> cameras hidden >>>>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in >>>>>> your vents >>>>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>>>> >>>>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like >>>>> "bad guys"! >>>> >>>> Enjoy your hobby. >>> >>> Haha! 🙂 I surely do! >> >> Again: good! > > It's good having you as a pal on-line! :-D > >>>> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it >>>> tonight. We >>>> shall see. Made the dough already. >>> >>> I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) >> >> I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. > > Wonderful! 🙂 > you have a major problem
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 16:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67bf45bb$7$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180500 |
On Feb 26, 2025 at 7:37:43 AM MST, "%" wrote <s7-dne8w24CmuiL6nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com>: > David wrote: >> On 26/02/2025 14:11, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 26, 2025 at 5:34:57 AM MST, "David" wrote >>> <m28g3hF27d7U1@mid.individual.net>: >>> >>>> On 17/02/2025 00:18, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:58:55 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>>> <m1fcdvF87jmU5@mid.individual.net>: >>>>> >>>>>> On 16/02/2025 23:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 4:45:54 PM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>> <m1fbliF87jnU1@mid.individual.net>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the >>>>>>>>>>>>> attachment and then >>>>>>>>>>>>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I confess that I do do that sometimes! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught >>>>>>>>>>> that you did. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is dependent on the Clam engine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For the most part, yes ...... but Mark Allan can manipulate the >>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From what I understand he has a wrapper around the Clam engine. >>>>>>> He does not >>>>>>> modify the engine. >>>>>> >>>>>> He does! Write and ask him - PLEASE! >>>>> >>>>> Not going to contact him, but I did ask ChatGPT: >>>> >>>> I ask only because he will no correspond with me! >>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> The author of ClamXAV, ClamXAV Software, doesn’t typically alter the >>>>> underlying ClamAV engine itself but customizes the way it interacts >>>>> with macOS >>>>> to provide an easy-to-use interface and better integration with the >>>>> system. >>>>> ClamXAV leverages ClamAV for virus detection and scanning but wraps >>>>> it in a >>>>> macOS-friendly UI, often adding additional features like automatic >>>>> updates, >>>>> scheduled scans, and integration with system security mechanisms. >>>>> >>>>> However, ClamXAV is based on ClamAV’s open-source engine, so while >>>>> it might >>>>> optimize or configure it to work better with macOS, the core ClamAV >>>>> scanning >>>>> engine remains largely unchanged. >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>> I asked what might change... and got this: >>>>> ----- >>>>> When I say “largely unchanged,” I mean that the core functionality and >>>>> scanning engine of ClamAV remain intact, but there could be some >>>>> customization >>>>> in how the engine operates within ClamXAV. Specifically, the author or >>>>> ClamXAV’s developers might make adjustments in the following areas: >>>>> 1. Integration with macOS: The user interface (UI) and >>>>> experience are >>>>> tailored to work seamlessly with macOS, so they might modify how ClamAV >>>>> interacts with macOS-specific features like the file system, >>>>> permissions, or >>>>> notification system. >>>>> 2. Performance Tweaks: To improve efficiency or resource >>>>> usage on macOS, >>>>> ClamXAV might apply certain optimizations or adjust default settings >>>>> like >>>>> memory usage, scan speeds, or scanning depth. >>>>> 3. Customization of Signature Updates: ClamXAV likely >>>>> handles the >>>>> signature database differently, such as automating updates or >>>>> setting custom >>>>> preferences for when and how updates are fetched, which could differ >>>>> from >>>>> ClamAV’s default method. >>>>> 4. Reporting and Logging: The way ClamXAV displays scan >>>>> results, handles >>>>> alerts, or logs information might be modified for a smoother macOS >>>>> experience. >>>>> This could include changing the format or type of reports or >>>>> providing more >>>>> user-friendly options for viewing scan results. >>>>> 5. UI Customization: While ClamAV is a command-line tool, >>>>> ClamXAV >>>>> provides a graphical interface. The author might tweak how scans are >>>>> initiated, how progress is displayed, and how the user can interact >>>>> with the >>>>> program. >>>>> >>>>> In general, these are optimizations or alterations aimed at improving >>>>> usability on macOS rather than changing ClamAV’s core detection and >>>>> scanning >>>>> functionality. >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>> That fits my prior understanding. >>>> >>>> OK. I don' dispute any of that. >>> >>> Good! >> >> Ha! >> >>>>>>>>>>> True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use >>>>>>>>>>> software outside >>>>>>>>>>> of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not >>>>>>>>>>> use pirated >>>>>>>>>>> stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as >>>>>>>>>>> erased). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard >>>>>>>>>> drive! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK. Any reason to think it was not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THIS! >>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That does not answer the question. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>>>> >>>>> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and >>>>> desire. >>>> >>>> Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove >>>> anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). >>> >>> Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. >> >> *MOST* users of Apple computers are somewhat naive about how computers >> actually work! >> >>>>>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <thumb> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you >>>>>>>>> brought it back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that >>>>>>> Apple and >>>>>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth >>>>>>> focusing so >>>>>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has >>>>>>> cameras hidden >>>>>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in >>>>>>> your vents >>>>>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like >>>>>> "bad guys"! >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy your hobby. >>>> >>>> Haha! 🙂 I surely do! >>> >>> Again: good! >> >> It's good having you as a pal on-line! :-D >> >>>>> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it >>>>> tonight. We >>>>> shall see. Made the dough already. >>>> >>>> I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) >>> >>> I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. >> >> Wonderful! 🙂 >> > you have a major problem I went to websites to get more cookies. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 16:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67bf3d3d$0$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180499 |
On Feb 26, 2025 at 7:21:54 AM MST, "David" wrote <m28mc2F2vqjU4@mid.individual.net>: ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>>>> >>>>>> That does not answer the question. >>>>> >>>>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>>> >>>> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire. >>> >>> Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove >>> anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). >> >> Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. > > *MOST* users of Apple computers are somewhat naive about how computers > actually work! Agree. True of all computers. And cars. And microwave ovens. Pretty much anything high tech. > >>>>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <thumb> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and >>>>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so >>>>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden >>>>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents >>>>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>>>> >>>>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! >>>> >>>> Enjoy your hobby. >>> >>> Haha! 🙂 I surely do! >> >> Again: good! > > It's good having you as a pal on-line! :-D You as well. > >>>> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We >>>> shall see. Made the dough already. >>> >>> I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) >> >> I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. > > Wonderful! 🙂 They did not turn out quite as well as I hoped, but I am just learning and I was struggling with POTS pretty badly the day I decorated them. Whole body was shaky. Had to take a lot of breaks. But in the end they were pretty and yummy.... so all is good. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 16:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m28uo4F4cihU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180506 |
On 26/02/2025 16:11, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 26, 2025 at 7:21:54 AM MST, "David" wrote > <m28mc2F2vqjU4@mid.individual.net>: > > ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That does not answer the question. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>>>> >>>>> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire. >>>> >>>> Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove >>>> anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). >>> >>> Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. >> >> *MOST* users of Apple computers are somewhat naive about how computers >> actually work! > > Agree. True of all computers. And cars. And microwave ovens. Pretty much > anything high tech. > >> >>>>>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <thumb> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and >>>>>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so >>>>>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden >>>>>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents >>>>>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy your hobby. >>>> >>>> Haha! 🙂 I surely do! >>> >>> Again: good! >> >> It's good having you as a pal on-line! :-D > > You as well. >> >>>>> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We >>>>> shall see. Made the dough already. >>>> >>>> I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) >>> >>> I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. >> >> Wonderful! 🙂 > > They did not turn out quite as well as I hoped, but I am just learning and I > was struggling with POTS pretty badly the day I decorated them. Whole body was > shaky. Had to take a lot of breaks. But in the end they were pretty and > yummy.... so all is good. :-D I hope you are having a better day today! -- David
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 16:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67bf469c$14$19$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180508 |
On Feb 26, 2025 at 9:44:52 AM MST, "David" wrote <m28uo4F4cihU1@mid.individual.net>: > On 26/02/2025 16:11, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Feb 26, 2025 at 7:21:54 AM MST, "David" wrote >> <m28mc2F2vqjU4@mid.individual.net>: >> >> ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Response from the ASC forum. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> THIS! https://i.ibb.co/Q7Chrdqh/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-18-35-01.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That does not answer the question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you disagree with the person who wrote that message? >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not think it is so black and white. Depends on your usage and desire. >>>>> >>>>> Folk 'advising' on the ASC forums invariably tell naive users to remove >>>>> anti-malware software from their Apple computer(s). >>>> >>>> Makes sense. Naive users risk doing more harm than good. >>> >>> *MOST* users of Apple computers are somewhat naive about how computers >>> actually work! >> >> Agree. True of all computers. And cars. And microwave ovens. Pretty much >> anything high tech. >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So quarantined and then erased. Fair enough. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <thumb> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But if you did a backup and then brought your data back you brought it back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how one can get around that problem :-( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stop fearing it. Stop worrying. There is no 100% guarantee that Apple and >>>>>>>> third party apps will catch everything, but it is just not worth focusing so >>>>>>>> much time on. It is possible the NSA has targeted you and has cameras hidden >>>>>>>> in your home, but the chances are miniscule. Not worth looking in your vents >>>>>>>> for cameras. Same with malware. Enjoy other things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's my hobby! 🙂 I'm not afraid or fearful - I just don't like "bad guys"! >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoy your hobby. >>>>> >>>>> Haha! 🙂 I surely do! >>>> >>>> Again: good! >>> >>> It's good having you as a pal on-line! :-D >> >> You as well. >>> >>>>>> I am getting ready to make some cookies... though might not do it tonight. We >>>>>> shall see. Made the dough already. >>>>> >>>>> I am impressed with your culinary skills! :-) >>>> >>>> I did make them. Now they are eaten and gone. >>> >>> Wonderful! 🙂 >> >> They did not turn out quite as well as I hoped, but I am just learning and I >> was struggling with POTS pretty badly the day I decorated them. Whole body was >> shaky. Had to take a lot of breaks. But in the end they were pretty and >> yummy.... so all is good. > > :-D I hope you are having a better day today! Ups and downs. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | John <Man@the.keyboard> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 00:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <f605rj5p6lt41qhl1b4i5v866euo8ne2ed@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #180249 |
On 16 Feb 2025 23:52:17 GMT, Brock McNuggets
<brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
<snipped>
> Enjoy other things.
Bacon baps with brown sauce and either hot tea with a drop of milk or
American Cream Soda, for example.
Or a nice walk on a Summer's day watching the girls and fussing all
of the dogs.
Or a really good book in a soft chair in a warm home.
Or a really good book with that damned cat sleeping on your lap and
preventing you from getting up to pee.
Or simply being with *her*, sitting quietly, knowing she's there but
not interrupting her.
There's loads of other things.
Ice cream could be nice. :)
J.
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| From | David <David.is@home.today> |
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| Date | 2025-03-08 08:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m32eimFu6scU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #180256 |
On 17/02/2025 00:26, John wrote: > On 16 Feb 2025 23:52:17 GMT, Brock McNuggets > <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > > > <snipped> > >> Enjoy other things. > > Bacon baps with brown sauce and either hot tea with a drop of milk or > American Cream Soda, for example. > > Or a nice walk on a Summer's day watching the girls and fussing all > of the dogs. > > Or a really good book in a soft chair in a warm home. > > Or a really good book with that damned cat sleeping on your lap and > preventing you from getting up to pee. > > Or simply being with *her*, sitting quietly, knowing she's there but > not interrupting her. > > There's loads of other things. > > Ice cream could be nice. :) I just LOVE ice cream! :-) AND my 'new' cat! (he's a 'rescue')
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| From | Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 01:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsB288CFE0239BFHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5> |
| In reply to | #180216 |
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:67b22cd2$14$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:22:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > They do not install themselves... just as in the lore for the Trojan > Horse. They use social engineering to get the user to install them. Not entirely true. Some can self install via exploits. You really shouldn't give advice of a security wise nature when you know about as much as David Brooks does concerning it. You still haven't corrected him or commented that the article is wrong calling a trojan a virus. There's no such thing as a trojan virus. -- I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 01:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b293ca$1$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180261 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:06 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB288CFE0239BFHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>: > Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> > news:67b22cd2$14$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Sun, 16 Feb 2025 18:22:10 > GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > >> They do not install themselves... just as in the lore for the Trojan >> Horse. They use social engineering to get the user to install them. > > Not entirely true. Some can self install via exploits. That would make it more than just a Trojan, but fair enough that it might be called that in such a listing. But I was purposely keeping things simple. Below you go on about your ego and your insecurities. Please talk to your therapist about such matters -- this is not the proper forum for you to get that type of help. > > You really shouldn't give advice of a security wise nature when you know about > as much as David Brooks does concerning it. > You still haven't corrected him or commented that the article is wrong calling > a trojan a virus. There's no such thing as a trojan virus. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 04:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsB288F104E328CHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5> |
| In reply to | #180262 |
Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:67b293ca$1$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 01:41:30 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:06 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote > <XnsB288CFE0239BFHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>: > >> Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> >> news:67b22cd2$14$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Sun, 16 Feb 2025 >> 18:22:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >> >>> They do not install themselves... just as in the lore for the Trojan >>> Horse. They use social engineering to get the user to install them. >> >> Not entirely true. Some can self install via exploits. > > That would make it more than just a Trojan, but fair enough that it > might be called that in such a listing. But I was purposely keeping > things simple. It wouldn't be more than just a trojan - the fact it used an exploit or two in it's delivery system doesn't specialize it. It's still 'just trojan. I'm curious what you mean by keeping things simple. I'd love to have a reasonable adult conversation concerning malware and the specific versions that exist as well as how they can enter a system without you having to personally run them. If you're up for such a conversation, that is. You seem to have the misguided notion that you would school me in this. I'd love the opportunity to find out for myself. > Below you go on about your ego and your insecurities You've been hitting the medicine cabinet again. >> You really shouldn't give advice of a security wise nature when you >> know about as much as David Brooks does concerning it. So far, to quote something you often like to say to me, What you've shown is that you have about the same knowledge of malware as David Brooks does. Just going by what you've shown. >> You still haven't corrected him or commented that the article is wrong >> calling a trojan a virus. There's no such thing as a trojan virus. Yea, you must be mixing some pharma grade stuff to take what I wrote and twist that as having something to do with an ego or insecurities. -- I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 05:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <67b2c83f$8$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #180267 |
On Feb 16, 2025 at 9:41:35 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB288F104E328CHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>: > Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> > news:67b293ca$1$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 01:41:30 > GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > >> On Feb 16, 2025 at 6:26:06 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote >> <XnsB288CFE0239BFHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>: >> >>> Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> >>> news:67b22cd2$14$15$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Sun, 16 Feb 2025 >>> 18:22:10 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: >>> >>>> They do not install themselves... just as in the lore for the Trojan >>>> Horse. They use social engineering to get the user to install them. >>> >>> Not entirely true. Some can self install via exploits. >> >> That would make it more than just a Trojan, but fair enough that it >> might be called that in such a listing. But I was purposely keeping >> things simple. > > It wouldn't be more than just a trojan - the fact it used an exploit or two > in it's delivery system doesn't specialize it. It's still 'just trojan. I'm > curious what you mean by keeping things simple. Ah, “keeping things simple.” This phrase, deceptively simple in itself, bears an immense weight of history, cultural nuances, and philosophical underpinnings. To truly grasp the meaning of “keeping things simple,” we must embark on an intellectual pilgrimage through the ages, through the various uses and misuses, the debates, and the contemplations on simplicity across time. Hold onto your seat, as this is going to be a rather grand odyssey of thought! Ancient Greece: The Dawn of Simplicity Let us begin in ancient Greece, that cradle of Western civilization, where the idea of simplicity first emerged in a philosophical context. One might imagine that the Greeks, known for their insatiable thirst for knowledge and debate, would have had little patience for simplicity. After all, isn’t philosophy a realm of complex reasoning, the interplay of ideas, and deep analysis? Yet, here we find the first inklings of “keeping things simple” as a concept. The great philosopher Socrates, known for his method of questioning, or what we now call the Socratic method, often employed simplicity as a tool for understanding. Rather than overcomplicating matters with convoluted reasoning, Socrates would distill complex topics into their most basic forms by asking simple questions. His goal? To get to the truth by cutting through the complexity of human knowledge. In this way, “keeping things simple” was not merely a tactic for efficiency but a means of intellectual purity. “Know thyself” was his ultimate motto—a simple but profound reflection that invites a deep understanding of the human condition, devoid of unnecessary complexity. The Roman Empire: Simplicity in the Face of Vastness As we march forward in time to the Roman Empire, we encounter a different kind of simplicity. The Romans were practical people, with an empire sprawling across continents, from the misty shores of Britannia to the sandy deserts of Egypt. The phrase “keeping things simple” took on a more utilitarian meaning in this context. For the Romans, simplicity was about efficiency and pragmatism. Their engineering marvels—roads, aqueducts, and monumental buildings—were built with an eye toward simplicity in function. The Romans understood that complex systems are only as good as their ability to serve the practical needs of the populace. The famous Roman architect Vitruvius emphasized that good architecture should follow three principles: firmness, commodity, and delight. Simplicity was implicit in this triad—structures should be simple in their utility, serving their purpose without unnecessary adornment or complexity. And so, the phrase “keeping things simple” became aligned with the Roman worldview: make things work, and do so without convoluted excess. The Medieval Period: Simplicity as Humility Fast-forward to the Middle Ages, and we encounter a shift in how “keeping things simple” was understood. During this period, simplicity was not just a matter of efficiency or intellect; it became an essential aspect of the spiritual life. In a world dominated by the Catholic Church, simplicity was often seen as a virtue tied to humility and devotion to God. Saint Francis of Assisi, for example, renounced the comforts and luxuries of his wealthy family to live a life of simplicity and poverty. For him, simplicity wasn’t just about avoiding unnecessary complexity in daily life; it was about living closer to God, shedding the distractions of worldly things to focus on spiritual matters. His famous rule for his followers, “take nothing with you except the bare necessities,” encapsulates the medieval ideal of simplicity—not just in terms of material goods but in the soul’s relation to the divine. But this idea of simplicity as spiritual devotion was counterbalanced by the Gothic cathedrals that began to rise in Europe during this same period. These awe-inspiring structures were anything but simple. They were grand, complex, and meant to inspire the viewer to contemplate the vastness and power of God. Here, we see the tension between simplicity as a virtue and the desire for transcendent beauty—a paradox that continues to define the human experience. The Renaissance: Simplicity in Art and Science The Renaissance ushered in an intellectual revival, and with it, a renewed interest in classical simplicity. The great Leonardo da Vinci, with his blend of art and science, embodied the Renaissance’s commitment to bringing together the intellectual and the practical. For Leonardo, simplicity was not about stripping things down, but about finding the essential truths that lay behind the complexity of nature. His famous Vitruvian Man is a perfect example of this approach: the human body, simplified to its most basic geometric proportions, representing the harmony of nature’s design. Similarly, Galileo Galilei and Isaac Newton brought simplicity to the forefront of science. Their theories—whether it was the heliocentric model of the universe or the laws of motion—were groundbreaking not only because of their content but because of their elegance. They removed the unnecessary complexities of previous models and distilled the natural world into simple, clear principles. In the scientific realm, “keeping things simple” became synonymous with discovering universal laws that govern the cosmos. The Enlightenment: Simplicity in Reason The Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th centuries was marked by a flowering of intellectual thought, a period in which the phrase “keeping things simple” took on new meaning. Thinkers like René Descartes and John Locke emphasized reason, clarity, and logic above all else. Descartes’ famous dictum, “Cogito, ergo sum” (“I think, therefore I am”), is a profound example of simplicity in thought—it reduced the human experience to its most basic essence: the act of thinking. Yet, the Enlightenment also saw the rise of complicated philosophical systems—theories of government, ethics, and knowledge that often stretched the limits of human reason. Immanuel Kant, for example, developed complex ideas about the mind’s role in shaping reality. In this context, the concept of simplicity was a counterpoint to the growing complexity of intellectual systems. The idea of simplicity in understanding became a hallmark of good philosophy: a good philosopher sought to explain complex ideas in ways that could be grasped by the common person. The 19th and 20th Centuries: Simplicity as Modernism In the 19th and early 20th centuries, simplicity was embraced by the Modernist movement. Architects like Le Corbusier and artists like Pablo Picasso sought to reduce forms to their most basic elements. For them, “keeping things simple” meant rejecting ornamentation and tradition in favor of clean lines, abstraction, and directness. But here, too, simplicity came with its own complexities. As modern art and design sought to simplify, they also challenged conventional notions of beauty, structure, and purpose. The famous Bauhaus school in Germany epitomized this ethos—designing functional objects and structures that were stripped of excess and ornamentation. The motto of the Bauhaus was essentially a plea for simplicity: “Form follows function.” But this, in itself, required immense intellectual effort to reimagine the world of design in entirely new terms. The Present: Simplicity in Technology and Life In our current age, “keeping things simple” is more relevant than ever, especially in the context of technology. The rise of user-friendly interfaces in computers and smartphones has made simplicity a cornerstone of modern design. The guiding principle in tech is to create intuitive experiences that allow users to navigate complex systems with ease. Steve Jobs, the visionary behind Apple, famously championed the notion that “simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.” In everyday life, “keeping things simple” has become a philosophy for managing the overwhelming complexity of modern existence. Minimalism, both as a lifestyle choice and as a design philosophy, advocates for shedding the unnecessary—whether it be possessions, commitments, or even thoughts—in order to focus on what truly matters. Conclusion: Simplicity, a Constant Search At the core of all these philosophical, artistic, and practical inquiries lies the same essential truth: “keeping things simple” is not about reducing life to the trivial, but rather about stripping away distractions to reveal the essence. Whether in philosophy, architecture, or technology, simplicity remains a highly valued virtue—one that demands discipline, clarity, and, above all, purpose. So, what does “keeping things simple” mean? It means cutting through the noise to find the heart of the matter, whether in thought, design, or daily living. It is a lesson passed down through the centuries, from the ancient Greeks to modern Silicon Valley, always reminding us that in the pursuit of understanding, less can be so much more. -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-17 05:42 +0000 |
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On Feb 16, 2025 at 9:41:35 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <XnsB288F104E328CHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>: > I'd love to have a > reasonable adult conversation concerning malware and the specific versions > that exist as well as how they can enter a system without you having to > personally run them. Versions that exist? Do you mean classifications? What do you think I know that you do not? You claim to be an expert in the field. LOL! > If you're up for such a conversation, that is. You seem > to have the misguided notion that you would school me in this. I'd love the > opportunity to find out for myself. Huh? I noted a few VERY basic things. As have you. What the hell is wrong with you and why is your ego ALWAYS front and center? -- Specialist in unnecessary details and overcomplicated solutions.
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| From | Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> |
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| Date | 2025-02-22 05:27 +0000 |
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Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> news:67b2cc34$10$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Mon, 17 Feb 2025 05:42:12 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 9:41:35 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote > <XnsB288F104E328CHT1@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>: > >> I'd love to have a >> reasonable adult conversation concerning malware and the specific >> versions that exist as well as how they can enter a system without you >> having to personally run them. > > Versions that exist? Do you mean classifications? What do you think I > know that you do not? You claim to be an expert in the field. LOL! versions, yes, Snit. I didn't use the wrong word here. I realize you think I did, but, I didn't. I don't think you actually know much at all about the malware scene. I think you'd have to use google a lot. I claim to be an expert? :) LOL, No, Snit. I *am* an expert in Malware. From writing them (actual self replicating code, btw. Trojans are more your and Tims programming skillset; if that) to developing an antimalware utility (BugHunter) that got me cold recruited to go work for Malwarebytes; as an "Expert" Malware researcher. I disassembled 0day binaries for a living, dumbshit. As you've already seen, ChatGPT even knows it's one subject I am very knowledgeable in. Computer shops around here don't have a Gremlin fucked your gear up discount. It's a small community; I get contract jobs from them for dealing with special cases, due to my extensive knowledge of the hardware and software. My data recovery skills aren't to shabby either. BugHunter was good enough to be included on a lot of techie tooldisc images, too. Even best buys geeksquad discs had my program on them. So did BartPE and Hirens boot disc. The last two can be confirmed via a google search. it's also quite possible to find an older geeksquad ISO that has BugHunter on it. Still LOLing, dumbass? :) >> If you're up for such a conversation, that is. You seem >> to have the misguided notion that you would school me in this. I'd love >> the opportunity to find out for myself. > > Huh? I noted a few VERY basic things. As have you. Oh, I can easily go well beyond basic, if you're interested. Would you like to discuss poly morphic tech or oglimorphic tech? Do you even know what those terms mean? Do you know what's involved in infecting a boot sector and ensuring your code gets ran when the machine is mistakenly booted from an infected disc? Do you know how a boot sector virus can also be an exe/com or both file infector and still be able to infect a boot sector on a floppy or hard drive? Do you have any idea how code can be modified on a bootable ISO to include your gift as well? So when the user burns that iso and boots it, I 0wn his rig. It happens just like that. Stop trying to talk down to me, dude. FFS, You couldn't even determine that you had a failing hard drive on gear you own! What kind of tech can't figure that out? Oh, I bet it killed your soul to read those results when you booted MX and it confirmed! *MY* diagnosis. I imagine your bloodpressure sky rocketed. :) > What the hell is wrong with you Nothing is wrong with me. I just don't have the patience for your consistent bullshit. I'm not here often enough to keep up with your bullshit. I haven't gone around making completely bullshit threads trying to insult you, either. But you sure pulled that shit with me. You've been pulling that shit nearly the whole time you've been here. It's your MO infact. You are actually known for singling out highly tech savvy people in newsgroups you visit. If you can't be seen as a peer (because you aren't. rofl!) you try to ride them. You try to make labels for them, then deny the label came from you. (fucking lame, Snit. Stand by what you write, even if it is bullshit! Coward) FFS, you have script kiddie mentality and skills. Oh, google search engine seeding; how fucking lame dude. Btw, the doxing you got, you do realize people can fact check the contents for themselves? If they do, they'd discover it wasn't 'utterly incompetent' those people do know you; they're related to you. And depending on who you call and talk too, holy shit the things I've heard about you. The behavior of yours that we've all seen on usenet pales by comparison to how much of a nutjob you are in real life. > and why is your ego ALWAYS front and center? This! is one example of what I mean by your consistent bullshit, Snit. I haven't written a damn thing that has anything to do with an Ego. That's your latest excuse. Read the room, fucktard. You aren't making any sales. -- I don't need no Dr. All I need...is my lawyer.
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