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  New iMac belated upgrade PeterFJ <pfjames2000@gmail.com> - 2020-07-19 11:17 +0100
    Re: New iMac belated upgrade Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-19 12:04 +0100
      Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 07:55 -0400
        Re: New iMac belated upgrade Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-19 13:24 +0100
          Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 09:05 -0400
            Re: New iMac belated upgrade Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-19 18:59 +0100
              Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 16:50 -0400
                Re: New iMac belated upgrade Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-19 22:52 +0100
                  Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 18:13 -0400
                    Re: New iMac belated upgrade Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-20 08:02 +0100
                      Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-20 08:56 +0000
                      Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-20 08:31 -0400
                        Re: New iMac belated upgrade Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2020-07-20 14:40 +0100
                          Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-20 14:59 +0000
                  Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 22:16 +0000
      Re: New iMac belated upgrade black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2020-07-19 18:10 +0100
        Re: New iMac belated upgrade Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2020-07-19 20:45 +0100
      Re: New iMac belated upgrade ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2020-07-20 00:17 +0200
        Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 18:19 -0400
        Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 22:51 +0000
          Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 19:01 -0400
            Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 23:12 +0000
              Re: New iMac belated upgrade ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2020-07-20 01:47 +0200
                Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 20:03 -0400
          Re: New iMac belated upgrade ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2020-07-20 01:26 +0200
            Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 19:31 -0400
    Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 07:55 -0400
      Re: New iMac belated upgrade RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2020-07-19 12:03 +0000
    Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 20:38 +0000
    Re: New iMac belated upgrade ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2020-07-20 00:07 +0200
      Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 18:13 -0400
      Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 23:12 +0000
        Re: New iMac belated upgrade ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2020-07-20 01:44 +0200
          Re: New iMac belated upgrade nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 20:03 -0400
          Re: New iMac belated upgrade richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-07-20 00:22 +0000
            Re: New iMac belated upgrade richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-07-20 00:23 +0000
        Re: New iMac belated upgrade black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2020-07-20 09:32 +0100
          Re: New iMac belated upgrade Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-20 08:58 +0000
            Re: New iMac belated upgrade Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-07-20 10:57 +0100
            Re: New iMac belated upgrade black.hole@jonbradbury.com (Jon B) - 2020-07-20 11:51 +0100

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#145606

In article <hnk13kFotatU2@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> > 
> > About the custom firmware. Yes, but I think this now is historically. 
> > But to be sure do use any harddisk/SSD with OHCI ver. higher than 1,8.
> > 
> > I was about to make a not good decision bying a new harddisk for my 
> > MacBook Pro 2007/08 - a 1tb HGST TravelStar 7200rpm/64mb cache, - until 
> > I discovered - by luck - that this disk only has OHCI v.1,6 and was made 
> > for some specific ThinkPad models and therefore only can be used in 
> > MacBooks / MacBook Pros 2006 or older...Ups!
> 
> OHCI can't the term you're thinking of, as it's only for USB (1.1 at that).
> I'd have expected AHCI, which is for SATA, but that only goes to 1.3 (and
> that's from 2010). What are you describing?

he's totally lost.

all sata hard drives will work fine.

there was an issue with certain ssds negotiating the maximum sata
speed, but it still worked.

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#145608

On 20 Jul 2020 at 00:01:50 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <hnk13kFotatU2@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh
> <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> About the custom firmware. Yes, but I think this now is historically. 
>>> But to be sure do use any harddisk/SSD with OHCI ver. higher than 1,8.
>>> 
>>> I was about to make a not good decision bying a new harddisk for my 
>>> MacBook Pro 2007/08 - a 1tb HGST TravelStar 7200rpm/64mb cache, - until 
>>> I discovered - by luck - that this disk only has OHCI v.1,6 and was made 
>>> for some specific ThinkPad models and therefore only can be used in 
>>> MacBooks / MacBook Pros 2006 or older...Ups!
>> 
>> OHCI can't the term you're thinking of, as it's only for USB (1.1 at that).
>> I'd have expected AHCI, which is for SATA, but that only goes to 1.3 (and
>> that's from 2010). What are you describing?
> 
> he's totally lost.
> 
> all sata hard drives will work fine.
> 
> there was an issue with certain ssds negotiating the maximum sata
> speed, but it still worked.

I remember some Macs with SATA2 had trouble with some SATA3 SSDs, but it was
never a big deal.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing
it.

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#145615

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> I remember some Macs with SATA2 had trouble with some SATA3 SSDs, but it was
> never a big deal.

That's exactly the problem with the MBP 2007/08. Normally they can't use 
neither WD, OWC or Samsung SSDs, but requires the Intel SSD.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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#145617

In article <rf2m36$2nq$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

> > I remember some Macs with SATA2 had trouble with some SATA3 SSDs, but it was
> > never a big deal.
> 
> That's exactly the problem with the MBP 2007/08. Normally they can't use 
> neither WD, OWC or Samsung SSDs, but requires the Intel SSD.

false.

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#145611

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:17:10 BST, "ErikRS" <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>> Graham J wrote:
>>> I buy my SSDs from Crucial: https://uk.crucial.com/catalog/ssd
>>>
>>> Historically Macs used to need custom firmware in their hard disks - I
>>> don't know whether that is still true ...
>>
>> Crucial is good but not among the cheapest brand...
>>
>> About the custom firmware. Yes, but I think this now is historically.
>> But to be sure do use any harddisk/SSD with OHCI ver. higher than 1,8.
>>
>> I was about to make a not good decision bying a new harddisk for my
>> MacBook Pro 2007/08 - a 1tb HGST TravelStar 7200rpm/64mb cache, - until
>> I discovered - by luck - that this disk only has OHCI v.1,6 and was made
>> for some specific ThinkPad models and therefore only can be used in
>> MacBooks / MacBook Pros 2006 or older...Ups!
>
> OHCI can't the term you're thinking of, as it's only for USB (1.1 at that).
> I'd have expected AHCI, which is for SATA, but that only goes to 1.3 (and
> that's from 2010). What are you describing?

You're absolutely right... And of course I mean AHCI! - The mistake came 
since I'm right now fiddling with making some USB devices that can be 
connected and run directly on my Canon EOS RP and Pentax K-3 cameras, so 
I can copy directly to such an USB disc instead of having to buy a Canon 
storage device for the RP. Pentax doesn't make such external devices...

So just replace the "O" with an "A".:-)

As written I'm abut to upgrade my old MBP 2007/08 and have found the 1tb 
TravelStar to replace the std. 100gb HD in that oldie. It was here the 
HGST tech info said that the TravelStar wouldn't run in these old MBPs, 
unlesss the MBP is AHCI 1,8 or higher compatible and that this specific 
disk is only meant for older ThinkPads 2008-2010. - Instead I've chosen 
to buy a 5400rpm WD 1tb/128mb cache.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Erik Richard Sørensen <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#145613

In article <rf2kre$1u7$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

> As written I'm abut to upgrade my old MBP 2007/08 and have found the 1tb 
> TravelStar to replace the std. 100gb HD in that oldie. It was here the 
> HGST tech info said that the TravelStar wouldn't run in these old MBPs, 
> unlesss the MBP is AHCI 1,8 or higher compatible and that this specific 
> disk is only meant for older ThinkPads 2008-2010. - Instead I've chosen 
> to buy a 5400rpm WD 1tb/128mb cache.

nonsense. it will work fine.

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#145578

In article <0001HW.24C4553500014F0A70000716538F@News.Individual.NET>,
PeterFJ <pfjames2000@gmail.com> wrote:

> My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without an SSD as I thought 
> the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra £200, from memory. A 
> silly decision.
> So now I want to enquire if it would be possible to fit an SSD now?

it's possible, but it's a lot of work and void the warranty.

return it and get one with an ssd.

> I see that on Amazon I can buy an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external 
> solid state drive for £83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed internal 
> SSD.
> 
> Would this work OK? I do need it to speed up the Mac as it is painfully slow 
> in comparison with the W10 machine I¹ve just ditched.
> 
> My iMac is a 3.6 GHz quad core, 1TB HD, Retina 4K

something is very wrong if it's painfully slow, even without an ssd.

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#145581

On 19 Jul 2020 at 12:55:22 BST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <0001HW.24C4553500014F0A70000716538F@News.Individual.NET>,
> PeterFJ <pfjames2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without an SSD as I thought 
>> the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra £200, from memory. A 
>> silly decision.
>> So now I want to enquire if it would be possible to fit an SSD now?
> 
> it's possible, but it's a lot of work and void the warranty.
> 
> return it and get one with an ssd.

+1. It is probably doable (see iFixit guides) but it's likely a world of pain
- I think they glue them together now. It'll also be pretty obvious that
you've opened it up, which might give warranty issues.

I wouldn't usually shy away from this type of thing, but I did pay Apple's mad
price for an SSD when I bought my new iMac in 2014. One of my criticisms of
Apple's 'form over function' way of doing things.

-- 
Cheers, Rob

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#145592

On 19 Jul 2020 at 11:17:25 BST, "PeterFJ" <pfjames2000@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without an SSD as I thought 
> the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra £200, from memory. A 
> silly decision.
> So now I want to enquire if it would be possible to fit an SSD now?
> 
> I see that on Amazon I can buy an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external 
> solid state drive for £83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed internal 
> SSD.
> 
> Would this work OK? I do need it to speed up the Mac as it is painfully slow 
> in comparison with the W10 machine I’ve just ditched.

As others have said, even with a spinning disk it should NOT be painfully
slow. 

Send it back and get the better one. Truly.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
BANACH TARSKI is an anagram of BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI

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#145597

PeterFJ wrote:
> My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without an SSD as I thought
> the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra £200, from memory. A
> silly decision.
> So now I want to enquire if it would be possible to fit an SSD now?
>
> I see that on Amazon I can buy an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external
> solid state drive for £83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed internal
> SSD.
>
> Would this work OK? I do need it to speed up the Mac as it is painfully slow
> in comparison with the W10 machine I’ve just ditched.
>
> My iMac is a 3.6 GHz quad core, 1TB HD, Retina 4K

First. I donot trust Samsungs drives, neither harddisks nor SSDs. They 
don't mention which brands they now are using for neither harddisks nor 
the SSDs. It may be a cheap product, but it may also be either a Seagate 
or a WesternDitigal (WD) component.

I have read somewhere, but can't find the artidle again that Samsung are 
using Kingston for their SSDs. And that isn't that good. There are too 
many errors on the larger Kingston SSDs as well as their memory cards 
larger than 64gb.

Should I understand it so that you mean that the internal HD is too 
slow? - If so you will not get a faster iMac using an external SSD.

What you could do is to buy a 500gb to 1tb SSD (ATA600 connection as the 
internal HD). Try to have a look at <www.macupgrade.be> - They are now 
owned by OtherworldComputing (OWC) and do have the same range of upgrade 
equipments.

Take a look at their OWC Aura SSDs. They are much cheaper than what 
Apple can deliever of same size - and to me - just as reliable as what 
Apple recommends.

Along with a SSD do also buy an external 3,5" USB3 enclosure to mount 
the internal iMac HD.

Now mount the SSD in the iMac and since the SSD has no operating system, 
your iMac will automatically boot from the external HD.

Use then - fx. CarbonCopy Cloner to make a complete and identical copy 
of the - now - external HD.

Shut down after cloning has finished and unmount the external HD (remove 
the USB cable) and now just boot the iMac. Your iMac will now boot from 
the cloned HD - i.e. from the SSD.

You can now either vipe the external HD and use it for archiving or you 
can keep it as a backup copy of the now internal SSD - either still 
using CarbonCopy Cloner or maybe TimeMachine if you prefer that 
application to do backup.

Note1: All OWC SSDs can be delievered with a 3,5" to 2,5" frame, no no 
problem installoing the SSD
Note2: Until 31. Dec. this year you can still buy from other EU 
countries without any kind of extra VAT.

Hope this helps you
Cheers, Eri kRichard

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Erik Richard Sørensen <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
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#145598

In article <rf2g74$u97$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

> First. I donot trust Samsungs drives, neither harddisks nor SSDs. 

that's dumb. samsung ssds are among the most reliable and also the
fastest.

> They 
> don't mention which brands they now are using for neither harddisks nor 
> the SSDs. It may be a cheap product, but it may also be either a Seagate 
> or a WesternDitigal (WD) component.

it isn't. apple doesn't use off the shelf components for ssds.

they probably get the flash chips from samsung, however.

> I have read somewhere, but can't find the artidle again that Samsung are 
> using Kingston for their SSDs. And that isn't that good. There are too 
> many errors on the larger Kingston SSDs as well as their memory cards 
> larger than 64gb.

no reason why they would do that since samsung makes their own memory
chips.

> Should I understand it so that you mean that the internal HD is too 
> slow? - If so you will not get a faster iMac using an external SSD.

nonsense.

rest of your ridiculous advice snipped.

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#145607

On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:07:31 BST, "ErikRS" <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

> 
> PeterFJ wrote:
>> My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without an SSD as I thought
>> the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra £200, from memory. A
>> silly decision.
>> So now I want to enquire if it would be possible to fit an SSD now?
>> 
>> I see that on Amazon I can buy an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external
>> solid state drive for £83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed internal
>> SSD.
>> 
>> Would this work OK? I do need it to speed up the Mac as it is painfully slow
>> in comparison with the W10 machine I’ve just ditched.
>> 
>> My iMac is a 3.6 GHz quad core, 1TB HD, Retina 4K
> 
> First. I donot trust Samsungs drives, neither harddisks nor SSDs. They 
> don't mention which brands they now are using for neither harddisks nor 
> the SSDs. It may be a cheap product, but it may also be either a Seagate 
> or a WesternDitigal (WD) component.
> 
> I have read somewhere, but can't find the artidle again that Samsung are 
> using Kingston for their SSDs. And that isn't that good. There are too 
> many errors on the larger Kingston SSDs as well as their memory cards 
> larger than 64gb.

Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of the
fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use. 

Samsung don't make hard drives and don't pretend to. They almost exclusively
use Seagate in their external hard drives.

> Should I understand it so that you mean that the internal HD is too 
> slow? - If so you will not get a faster iMac using an external SSD.

You easily can get faster as even Thunderbolt 2 can move data at 20Gbps full
duplex, which takes an NVMe SSD to fill the bandwidth. The internal HDD will
be SATA3 at 6Gbps and will only use at fastest perhaps 2Gbps of that. A full
power of ten difference in pure throughput speed, not even considering how
much better an SSD is for access speeds.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize 
that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder
on a government contract."                -- Alan Shepard

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#145614

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of the
> fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use.

Fast yes, but from where do they get the chipsets? - I know that they 
make some chipsets themselves, but also that they buy pre-made 
components for most of their SSDs - just like OWC does it. If I 
understand the OWC descriptions most of their shipsets are from either 
Crucial or TechWorks. - And both Samsung and OWC have a variety of 
different models - right from very cheap to very expensive.

> Samsung don't make hard drives and don't pretend to. They almost exclusively
> use Seagate in their external hard drives.

Yes, now Samsung don't make harddisks anymore after they've sold their 
HD division to the Seagate-WesternDigital concern. - I have indeed 
earlier on seen too many Samsung SpinPoint HDs simply just break down so 
people have lost all their data - and that on both Macs and Win-based PCs.

The first year or so after Seagate-WesternDigital bought the Samsung 
division, Seagate - obviously also bought the already made SpinPoint 
discs, since Seagate sold some discs under the name "Seagate SpinPoint" 
to apprx. half the price of what a similar real Seagate disc would cost. 
- Here in Denmark we could buy such a "Seagate SpinPoint" 2tb disc for 
as little as apprx. £30 where the std. 2tb ST2000007AS would cost nearly 
£60...

Cheers, Erik Richard

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Erik Richard Sørensen <mac-daneRE@MOVEstofanet.dk>
NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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#145616

In article <rf2ls9$2fe$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
wrote:

> > Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of the
> > fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use.
> 
> Fast yes, but from where do they get the chipsets?

another division of samsung.

> - I know that they 
> make some chipsets themselves, but also that they buy pre-made 
> components for most of their SSDs - just like OWC does it.

no they don't.

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#145618

In article <rf2ls9$2fe$1@solani.org>, ErikRS  <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

>Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>> Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of the
>> fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use.

>Fast yes, but from where do they get the chipsets? - I know that they 
>make some chipsets themselves, but also that they buy pre-made 
>components for most of their SSDs - just like OWC does it.

That would be surprising.  Samsung is the biggest manufacturer of NAND
memory, and has ranges of controllers for both SATA and NVM2.

-- Richard

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#145619

In article <rf2o3b$aus$1@macpro.inf.ed.ac.uk>, I wrote:

>That would be surprising.  Samsung is the biggest manufacturer of NAND
>memory, and has ranges of controllers for both SATA and NVM2.

That should say "NVMe".

-- Richard

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#145625

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:07:31 BST, "ErikRS" <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > PeterFJ wrote: > My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without
> >an SSD as I thought > the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra
> >£200, from memory. A > silly decision. > So now I want to enquire if it
> >would be possible to fit an SSD now? > > I see that on Amazon I can buy
> >an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external > solid state drive for
> >£83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed internal > SSD. > > Would
> >this work OK? I do need it to speed up the Mac as it is painfully slow >
> >in comparison with the W10 machine I've just ditched. > > My iMac is a
> >3.6 GHz quad core, 1TB HD, Retina 4K
> > 
> > First. I donot trust Samsungs drives, neither harddisks nor SSDs. They
> > don't mention which brands they now are using for neither harddisks nor
> > the SSDs. It may be a cheap product, but it may also be either a Seagate
> > or a WesternDitigal (WD) component.
> > 
> > I have read somewhere, but can't find the artidle again that Samsung are
> > using Kingston for their SSDs. And that isn't that good. There are too
> > many errors on the larger Kingston SSDs as well as their memory cards
> > larger than 64gb.
> 
> Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of the
> fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use. 
> 
> Samsung don't make hard drives and don't pretend to. They almost exclusively
> use Seagate in their external hard drives.
> 

Samsung is owned (or was last time I looked) by Seagate nowadays, which
is why you'll find Seagate drives in their non SSD products. 


-- 
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/>

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#145627

On 20 Jul 2020 at 09:32:35 BST, "Jon B" <Jon B> wrote:

> Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:07:31 BST, "ErikRS" <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> PeterFJ wrote: > My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it without
>>> an SSD as I thought > the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD was an extra
>>> £200, from memory. A > silly decision. > So now I want to enquire if it
>>> would be possible to fit an SSD now? > > I see that on Amazon I can buy
>>> an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external > solid state drive for
>>> £83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed internal > SSD. > > Would
>>> this work OK? I do need it to speed up the Mac as it is painfully slow >
>>> in comparison with the W10 machine I've just ditched. > > My iMac is a
>>> 3.6 GHz quad core, 1TB HD, Retina 4K
>>> 
>>> First. I donot trust Samsungs drives, neither harddisks nor SSDs. They
>>> don't mention which brands they now are using for neither harddisks nor
>>> the SSDs. It may be a cheap product, but it may also be either a Seagate
>>> or a WesternDitigal (WD) component.
>>> 
>>> I have read somewhere, but can't find the artidle again that Samsung are
>>> using Kingston for their SSDs. And that isn't that good. There are too
>>> many errors on the larger Kingston SSDs as well as their memory cards
>>> larger than 64gb.
>> 
>> Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of the
>> fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use. 
>> 
>> Samsung don't make hard drives and don't pretend to. They almost exclusively
>> use Seagate in their external hard drives.
>> 
> 
> Samsung is owned (or was last time I looked) by Seagate nowadays, which
> is why you'll find Seagate drives in their non SSD products.

Huh - didn't remember that. Samsung's hard disk division was sold off in 2011,
getting shot of dead weight ahead of the curve. 

Not the whole of Samsung, that would have been an interesting move for a
company that makes battleships!

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
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#145632

On 20 Jul 2020, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
(in article <hnl4maF2fc2U3@mid.individual.net>):

> Not the whole of Samsung, that would have been an interesting move for a
> company that makes battleships!

Western Digital rep: “We have reports of a fleet massing on our western 
borders”.

Cheers,
Ian

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#145633

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 20 Jul 2020 at 09:32:35 BST, "Jon B" <Jon B> wrote:
> 
> > Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:07:31 BST, "ErikRS" <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> PeterFJ wrote: > My new iMac is two weeks old, and I ordered it
> >>> without an SSD as I thought > the iMac cost enough as it was. An SSD
> >>> was an extra £200, from memory. A > silly decision. > So now I want to
> >>> enquire if it would be possible to fit an SSD now? > > I see that on
> >>> Amazon I can buy an external Samsung TS 500 GB USB 3.1 external >
> >>> solid state drive for £83.79, lots cheaper than the Apple installed
> >>> internal > SSD. > > Would this work OK? I do need it to speed up the
> >>> Mac as it is painfully slow > in comparison with the W10 machine I've
> >>> just ditched. > > My iMac is a 3.6 GHz quad core, 1TB HD, Retina 4K
> >>> 
> >>> First. I donot trust Samsungs drives, neither harddisks nor SSDs. They
> >>> don't mention which brands they now are using for neither harddisks
> >>> nor the SSDs. It may be a cheap product, but it may also be either a
> >>> Seagate or a WesternDitigal (WD) component.
> >>> 
> >>> I have read somewhere, but can't find the artidle again that Samsung
> >>> are using Kingston for their SSDs. And that isn't that good. There are
> >>> too many errors on the larger Kingston SSDs as well as their memory
> >>> cards larger than 64gb.
> >> 
> >> Samsung are well known for making their own SSDs, and they're some of
> >> the fastest and most reliable - top tier for domestic use.
> >> 
> >> Samsung don't make hard drives and don't pretend to. They almost
> >> exclusively use Seagate in their external hard drives.
> >> 
> > 
> > Samsung is owned (or was last time I looked) by Seagate nowadays, which
> > is why you'll find Seagate drives in their non SSD products.
> 
> Huh - didn't remember that. Samsung's hard disk division was sold off in 2011,
> getting shot of dead weight ahead of the curve. 
> 
> Not the whole of Samsung, that would have been an interesting move for a
> company that makes battleships!
> 
Sorry yes, I was being a bit too generalistic in my comment (and not
remembering every nitty gritty of the deal), Seagate owns the Samsung
hard drive business.

It's actually more complex than that, and as part of the deal Samsung
then own 10% of the Seagate hard drive business... 
-- 
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/>

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