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  The false premises of current physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-10 15:28 -0700
    Re: The false premises of current physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 22:53 +0000
      Re: The false premises of current physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-11 08:40 -0700
        Re: The false premises of current physics Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-11 10:48 -0500
          Re: The false premises of current physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-12 05:35 -0700
            Re: The false premises of current physics Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-12 08:55 -0500
        Re: The false premises of current physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 17:30 +0000
      Re: The false premises of current physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-12 05:32 -0700
        Re: The false premises of current physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 13:09 +0000
    Re: The false premises of current physics poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-11 09:09 -0700
      Re: The false premises of current physics poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-09-11 09:21 -0700
        Re: The false premises of current physics "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 09:28 -0700
          Re: The false premises of current physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-11 10:18 -0700

#701997 — The false premises of current physics

The false premises of the current theories that led generations of physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 

 A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will project a field throughout space and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces can be summarized as follows: 
The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has not been found experimentally. 

The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These force messengers have been found experimentally. 

The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The virtual photons have been found experimentally. 

The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been found experimentally. In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 

Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity in Einstein’s description. In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths followed by the interacting objects. 

I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles, all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 

The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
It can be validated experimentally. 
It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
It explains the structures of atoms.

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#702000

kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
> physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
> premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> 
>  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
> project a field throughout space 

That is an incorrect description. 

> and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
> field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
> force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
> can be summarized as follows: 
> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
> not been found experimentally. 

Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 

> 
> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
> force messengers have been found experimentally. 

That’s correct. 

> 
> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
> virtual photons have been found experimentally. 

That’s correct. 

> 
> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
> found experimentally. 

That’s correct. 

So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?

> In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
> total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> 
> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
> follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
> in Einstein’s description. 

Incorrect. 

> In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
> followed by the interacting objects. 
> 
> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
> that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
> result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
> years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
> all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
> different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
> and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
> Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> 
> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> It can be validated experimentally. 
> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> It explains the structures of atoms.
> 

And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#702098

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
> > physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
> > premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> > 
> >  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> > In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
> > project a field throughout space 
> 
> That is an incorrect description. 

You are a woodworker.....you are not qualified.

> 
> > and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
> > field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
> > force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
> > can be summarized as follows: 
> > The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
> > not been found experimentally. 
> 
> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 
> 
> > 
> > The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
> > force messengers have been found experimentally. 
> 
> That’s correct. 
> 
> > 
> > The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
> > virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
> 
> That’s correct. 
> 
> > 
> > The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
> > found experimentally. 
> 
> That’s correct. 
> 
> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
> 
> > In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
> > total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> > 
> > Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
> > follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
> > in Einstein’s description. 
> 
> Incorrect. 
> 
> > In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
> > followed by the interacting objects. 
> > 
> > I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
> > that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
> > result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
> > years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
> > all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
> > different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
> > and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
> > Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> > http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> > 
> > The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> > It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> > It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> > It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> > It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> > It can be validated experimentally. 
> > It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> > It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> > It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> > It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> > It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> > It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> > It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> > It explains the structures of atoms.
> > 
> 
> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#702101

On 9/11/2018 10:40 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
>>> physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
>>> premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
>>>
>>>  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
>>> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
>>> project a field throughout space 
>>
>> That is an incorrect description. 
> 
> You are a woodworker.....you are not qualified.

kenseto- material objects create a gravitational field throughout space,
so your statement is incorrect.



> 
>>
>>> and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
>>> field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
>>> force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
>>> can be summarized as follows: 
>>> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
>>> not been found experimentally. 
>>
>> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 
>>
>>>
>>> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
>>> force messengers have been found experimentally. 
>>
>> That’s correct. 
>>
>>>
>>> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
>>> virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
>>
>> That’s correct. 
>>
>>>
>>> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
>>> found experimentally. 
>>
>> That’s correct. 
>>
>> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
>> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
>> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
>> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
>> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
>> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
>> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
>> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
>>
>>> In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
>>> total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
>>>
>>> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
>>> follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
>>> in Einstein’s description. 
>>
>> Incorrect. 
>>
>>> In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
>>> followed by the interacting objects. 
>>>
>>> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
>>> that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
>>> result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
>>> years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
>>> all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
>>> different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
>>> and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
>>> Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
>>>
>>> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
>>> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
>>> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
>>> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
>>> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
>>> It can be validated experimentally. 
>>> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
>>> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
>>> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
>>> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
>>> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
>>> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
>>> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
>>> It explains the structures of atoms.
>>>
>>
>> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 

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#702236

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/11/2018 10:40 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
> >>> physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
> >>> premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> >>>
> >>>  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> >>> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
> >>> project a field throughout space 
> >>
> >> That is an incorrect description. 
> > 
> > You are a woodworker.....you are not qualified.
> 
> kenseto- material objects create a gravitational field throughout space,
> so your statement is incorrect.
 
What is the difference between “project” and “create”?


> >>> and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
> >>> field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
> >>> force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
> >>> can be summarized as follows: 
> >>> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
> >>> not been found experimentally. 
> >>
> >> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
> >>> force messengers have been found experimentally. 
> >>
> >> That’s correct. 
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
> >>> virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
> >>
> >> That’s correct. 
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
> >>> found experimentally. 
> >>
> >> That’s correct. 
> >>
> >> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
> >> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
> >> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
> >> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
> >> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
> >> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
> >> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
> >> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
> >>
> >>> In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
> >>> total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> >>>
> >>> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
> >>> follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
> >>> in Einstein’s description. 
> >>
> >> Incorrect. 
> >>
> >>> In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
> >>> followed by the interacting objects. 
> >>>
> >>> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
> >>> that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
> >>> result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
> >>> years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
> >>> all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
> >>> different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
> >>> and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
> >>> Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> >>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> >>>
> >>> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> >>> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> >>> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> >>> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> >>> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> >>> It can be validated experimentally. 
> >>> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> >>> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> >>> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> >>> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> >>> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> >>> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> >>> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> >>> It explains the structures of atoms.
> >>>
> >>
> >> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >

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#702246

On 9/12/2018 7:35 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
>> On 9/11/2018 10:40 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
>>>>> physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
>>>>> premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
>>>>>
>>>>>  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
>>>>> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
>>>>> project a field throughout space 
>>>>
>>>> That is an incorrect description. 
>>>
>>> You are a woodworker.....you are not qualified.
>>
>> kenseto- material objects create a gravitational field throughout space,
>> so your statement is incorrect.
>  
> What is the difference between “project” and “create”?

as used in the sentence, none.

you label this as false;
"material object will project a field throughout space"

however, my counter example;
"material objects create a gravitational field throughout space"



>>>>> and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
>>>>> field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
>>>>> force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
>>>>> can be summarized as follows: 
>>>>> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
>>>>> not been found experimentally. 
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
>>>>> force messengers have been found experimentally. 
>>>>
>>>> That’s correct. 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
>>>>> virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
>>>>
>>>> That’s correct. 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
>>>>> found experimentally. 
>>>>
>>>> That’s correct. 
>>>>
>>>> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
>>>> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
>>>> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
>>>> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
>>>> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
>>>> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
>>>> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
>>>> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
>>>>> total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
>>>>> follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
>>>>> in Einstein’s description. 
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect. 
>>>>
>>>>> In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
>>>>> followed by the interacting objects. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
>>>>> that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
>>>>> result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
>>>>> years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
>>>>> all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
>>>>> different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
>>>>> and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
>>>>> Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
>>>>>
>>>>> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
>>>>> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
>>>>> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
>>>>> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
>>>>> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
>>>>> It can be validated experimentally. 
>>>>> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
>>>>> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
>>>>> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
>>>>> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
>>>>> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
>>>>> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
>>>>> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
>>>>> It explains the structures of atoms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>

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#702118

kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
>>> physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
>>> premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
>>> 
>>> A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
>>> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
>>> project a field throughout space 
>> 
>> That is an incorrect description. 
> 
> You are a woodworker.....you are not qualified.

You are a retired chemical engineer. You are no more qualified than me. 

> 
>> 
>>> and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
>>> field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
>>> force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
>>> can be summarized as follows: 
>>> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
>>> not been found experimentally. 
>> 
>> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
>>> force messengers have been found experimentally. 
>> 
>> That’s correct. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
>>> virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
>> 
>> That’s correct. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
>>> found experimentally. 
>> 
>> That’s correct. 
>> 
>> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
>> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
>> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
>> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
>> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
>> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
>> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
>> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
>> 
>>> In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
>>> total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory
>>> of quantum gravity. 
>>> 
>>> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
>>> follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
>>> in Einstein’s description. 
>> 
>> Incorrect. 
>> 
>>> In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
>>> followed by the interacting objects. 
>>> 
>>> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
>>> that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
>>> result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
>>> years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
>>> all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
>>> different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
>>> and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
>>> Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
>>> 
>>> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
>>> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
>>> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
>>> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
>>> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
>>> It can be validated experimentally. 
>>> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
>>> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
>>> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
>>> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
>>> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
>>> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
>>> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
>>> It explains the structures of atoms.
>>> 
>> 
>> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#702234

On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
> > physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
> > premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> > 
> >  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> > In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
> > project a field throughout space 
> 
> That is an incorrect description. 

This is false statemeant from an an uninformed woodworker.
> 
> > and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
> > field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
> > force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
> > can be summarized as follows: 
> > The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
> > not been found experimentally. 
> 
> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 

No gluons has been found.
> 
> > 
> > The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
> > force messengers have been found experimentally. 
> 
> That’s correct. 
> 
> > 
> > The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
> > virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
> 
> That’s correct. 
> 
> > 
> > The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
> > found experimentally. 
> 
> That’s correct. 
> 
> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
> 
> > In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
> > total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> > 
> > Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
> > follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
> > in Einstein’s description. 
> 
> Incorrect. 
> 
> > In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
> > followed by the interacting objects. 
> > 
> > I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
> > that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
> > result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
> > years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
> > all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
> > different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
> > and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
> > Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> > http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> > 
> > The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> > It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> > It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> > It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> > It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> > It can be validated experimentally. 
> > It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> > It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> > It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> > It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> > It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> > It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> > It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> > It explains the structures of atoms.
> > 
> 
> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#702240

kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 6:53:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of
>>> physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false
>>> premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
>>> 
>>> A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
>>> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will
>>> project a field throughout space 
>> 
>> That is an incorrect description. 
> 
> This is false statemeant from an an uninformed woodworker.

No really. The correct description of QFT is what’s in books about QFT, not
what comes out of Ken Seto’s head about QFT. 

>> 
>>> and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this
>>> field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate
>>> force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces
>>> can be summarized as follows: 
>>> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has
>>> not been found experimentally. 
>> 
>> Incorrect, evidence has been found experimentally. 
> 
> No gluons has been found.

That’s incorrect. ISR. 

>> 
>>> 
>>> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These
>>> force messengers have been found experimentally. 
>> 
>> That’s correct. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The
>>> virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
>> 
>> That’s correct. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been
>>> found experimentally. 
>> 
>> That’s correct. 
>> 
>> So summarizing, the force carrier bosons for three of four basic
>> interactions have been found experimentally, and moreover those have the
>> exact features predicted by the theory. And on the basis of this remarkable
>> progress since the 1950s, barely six decades, you are declaring quantum
>> field theory a dismal failure with false premises? How can a theory with
>> false premises be so spectacularly confirmed by experiment? Is your idea
>> that if a theory doesn’t have all its components and predictions confirmed
>> by experiment in five years then it’s a failure?
>> 
>>> In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a
>>> total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory
>>> of quantum gravity. 
>>> 
>>> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects
>>> follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity
>>> in Einstein’s description. 
>> 
>> Incorrect. 
>> 
>>> In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths
>>> followed by the interacting objects. 
>>> 
>>> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe
>>> that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The
>>> result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty
>>> years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles,
>>> all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of
>>> different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured
>>> and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model
>>> Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
>>> 
>>> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
>>> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
>>> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
>>> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
>>> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
>>> It can be validated experimentally. 
>>> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
>>> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
>>> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
>>> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
>>> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
>>> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
>>> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
>>> It explains the structures of atoms.
>>> 
>> 
>> And you haven’t done one damn calculation with it. You don’t know how. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



-- 
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#702102

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 1:28:35 AM UTC+3, kenseto wrote:
> The false premises of the current theories that led generations of physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> 
>  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will project a field throughout space and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces can be summarized as follows: 
> The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has not been found experimentally. 
> 
> The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These force messengers have been found experimentally. 
> 
> The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
> 
> The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been found experimentally. In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> 
> Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity in Einstein’s description. In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths followed by the interacting objects. 
> 
> I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles, all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> 
> The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> It can be validated experimentally. 
> It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> It explains the structures of atoms.

==========================
Hi Kenseto 
well come to my club ..
no curvature and no schmervature of space
itis all 
hidden in MASS ** PROPERTIES  OF **MASS** !
=====
TIA
Y.Porat
======================

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#702104

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:09:19 PM UTC+3, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 1:28:35 AM UTC+3, kenseto wrote:
> > The false premises of the current theories that led generations of physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> > 
> >  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> > In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will project a field throughout space and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces can be summarized as follows: 
> > The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has not been found experimentally. 
> > 
> > The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These force messengers have been found experimentally. 
> > 
> > The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
> > 
> > The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been found experimentally. In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> > 
> > Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity in Einstein’s description. In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths followed by the interacting objects. 
> > 
> > I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles, all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> > http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> > 
> > The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> > It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> > It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> > It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> > It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> > It can be validated experimentally. 
> > It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> > It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> > It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> > It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> > It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> > It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> > It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> > It explains the structures of atoms.
> 
> ==========================
> Hi Kenseto 
> well come to my club ..
> no curvature and no schmervature of space
> itis all 
> hidden in MASS ** PROPERTIES  OF **MASS** !
> =====
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> ======================
it seems that some hired gangster
marked that thread as spam 
=====
Y.P
==========================

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#702106

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 9:21:43 AM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 7:09:19 PM UTC+3, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 1:28:35 AM UTC+3, kenseto wrote:
> > > The false premises of the current theories that led generations of physicists to a 100 years of wild goose chase. Specifically, these false premises failed to lead physicists to come up with a unified theory for all the forces 
> > > 
> > >  A summary of the false premises of current theories: 
> > > In quantum mechanics, specifically the QFT, a material object will project a field throughout space and virtual particles in the form of bosons will pop in and out of this field. These bosons will act as force messengers to affect an appropriate force to the interacting object. The force messengers for all the forces can be summarized as follows: 
> > > The strong force messengers are the gluons. The existence of gluon has not been found experimentally. 
> > > 
> > > The force messengers for the electroweak force are: W+, W- and Z0. These force messengers have been found experimentally. 
> > > 
> > > The force messengers for the electromagnetic force are the photons. The virtual photons have been found experimentally. 
> > > 
> > > The force messengers for gravity are the gravitons. Graviton has not been found experimentally. In fact, the notion of gravitons for the force of gravity has been a total failure mathematically. This means that there is no valid theory of quantum gravity. 
> > > 
> > > Einstein’s premise of gravity is simply that the interacting objects follow the curvature of space-time. There is no physical cause of gravity in Einstein’s description. In other words, GRT is merely a mathematical description of the paths followed by the interacting objects. 
> > > 
> > > I came to the conclusion that there is one physical model of our universe that can replace these divergent false premises of GRT and QFT. The result of an intense search for such physical model for the past twenty years is: Model Mechanics. Model Mechanics posits that all the particles, all the forces and all the processes of nature are the result of different absolute motions of the fundamental S-Particles in a structured and elastic ether called the E-Matrix. The detailed description of Model Mechanics is available in Chapter 3 of my book in the following link: 
> > > http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf 
> > > 
> > > The main feature of Model Mechanics are as follows: 
> > > It offers a realistic origin of the universe. 
> > > It offers realistic processes for the origin of all visible matters. 
> > > It explains the cell division and the consciousness processes. 
> > > It provides a mechanism to amalgamate all the forces of nature. 
> > > It can be validated experimentally. 
> > > It gives rise to an Improved Relativity Theory (IRT). 
> > > It gives rise to a new theory of gravity called Doppler Theory of Gravity (DTG) 
> > > It includes Special Theory of Relativity and General Theory of Relativity as subsets. 
> > > It provides physical models for all the math of Quantum Mechanics. 
> > > It postulates a new repulsive fifth force identified as the CRE force. 
> > > It gives a physical explanation for the charge of a particle. 
> > > It gives physical explanations all the weird results of all quantum experiments. 
> > > It explains the structures of atoms.
> > 
> > ==========================
> > Hi Kenseto 
> > well come to my club ..
> > no curvature and no schmervature of space
> > itis all 
> > hidden in MASS ** PROPERTIES  OF **MASS** !
> > =====
> > TIA
> > Y.Porat
> > ======================
> it seems that some hired gangster
> marked that thread as spam 
> =====
> Y.P
> ==========================

There can never be GUT.We are now smart enough to realize this.Bert

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#702113

"homoreber G=emc^2" <herbertgay-lazier0@gmail.com> wrote
"There can never be any "Glazier Useful Theory" ( = GUT ). Bert
SwBertBert is not smart enough to realize this" O ya.Bert
>
Also <https://tinyurl.com/Trump-is-walking-all-over-Bert>
>

snicker>-<chuckle>-<chortle>- ROTFLMAO.  "O ya"

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