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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-06-02 12:16 -0700
Last post2015-06-05 16:00 -0500
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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-02 12:16 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-02 18:05 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-02 22:08 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-02 22:52 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 06:08 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-03 10:25 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:25 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-03 18:16 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 03:58 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 13:33 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 23:48 +0200
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:53 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 03:14 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:52 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gray <savagegraycork@friends.gsl> - 2015-06-06 12:58 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:35 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:09 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 08:42 -0400
                        For some, "God" is their hero, their aspiration, the dream. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-07 07:12 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:38 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-07 08:53 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 11:06 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:50 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 01:52 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-08 00:17 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 19:07 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:29 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:38 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 21:30 +0200
                      Besides me, no one here has defined the word "God". Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-07 07:53 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 18:37 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-04 03:57 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:55 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:54 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:47 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:53 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-06 20:25 +0000
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:12 +0200
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 06:53 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:02 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:01 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:52 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:30 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 22:44 +0000
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:02 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-09 23:39 +0000
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-09 19:41 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:19 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 00:21 +0000
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 12:01 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-11 22:51 +0200
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:32 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 23:27 +0000
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-14 12:18 +0200
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 21:16 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 23:40 +0000
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 12:03 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-11 23:09 +0200
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:34 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 21:19 +0000
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:22 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:31 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 22:47 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:02 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-09 23:42 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:19 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-09 00:59 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:06 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 01:25 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:24 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 18:40 +0200
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 12:05 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 21:28 +0000
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-12 04:10 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-12 08:16 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 11:42 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 12:05 -0400
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 19:41 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-13 01:00 +0200
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-12 20:58 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 05:37 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 13:49 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 14:14 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-13 12:17 +0200
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 13:44 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-11 23:35 +0200
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 13:48 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-09 23:45 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-09 19:54 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:26 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 00:38 +0000
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-10 20:09 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 12:11 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 12:09 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 21:36 +0000
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-12 04:07 -0700
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 14:00 -0500
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 13:53 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 23:47 +0000
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:55 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:54 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-07 18:10 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:37 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 23:00 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-08 18:41 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:16 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 00:00 +0000
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-09 20:00 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:14 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 00:16 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:31 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 00:49 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-08 18:28 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-08 17:24 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:18 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-09 17:06 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-09 17:39 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:33 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-08 19:11 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:19 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-07 18:57 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-07 19:45 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 21:55 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-07 23:16 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 23:15 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-08 18:44 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-08 23:02 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-09 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-09 19:40 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:39 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:38 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 11:30 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 17:07 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:58 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-05 22:28 +0000
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:54 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:15 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:03 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 21:40 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:35 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:34 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-07 16:26 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:42 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 22:38 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:20 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-09 23:34 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:34 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 23:28 +0000
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 12:13 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 21:04 +0000
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-12 04:40 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-12 22:36 +0000
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-12 20:45 -0700
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 14:01 -0500
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 23:24 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-08 19:10 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 15:21 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 13:26 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-04 18:34 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 21:19 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:59 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-04 18:35 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:56 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 10:52 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 20:01 +0200
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 13:32 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-03 23:56 +0200
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 18:06 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-04 12:53 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-04 11:35 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:03 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:39 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 13:26 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-06 04:42 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 14:18 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:04 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:57 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:56 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-04 19:53 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-05 13:39 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 05:58 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:07 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-05 17:46 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:05 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:33 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:58 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 03:45 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 12:00 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 13:19 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:20 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 21:48 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 17:38 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:04 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:34 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 10:21 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:02 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:01 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:44 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 12:01 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 16:00 -0500

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#498413

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-07 09:55 -0500
Message-ID<lrl8naha4f9n4vilo96vd5tho74njcg3h5@4ax.com>
In reply to#498268
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net> 
>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome to
>>>>>>> >>>alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
>>>>>> >>God".
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>
>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off all
>>>those atheist infants in the creche.
>> 
>> Atheism is a decision. 
>
>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?

As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my graduation from
college, but I never came close to deciding "why a God" .  I had the same doubts
as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I persisted, avoiding Church. But
eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at life.  So I
began to seek truth.  By study, reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to
see what I had totally missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I
returned to see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with
myself now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
as myself.

>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>Do babies believe in a god?

No.  It's a gradual learning.  And it's not until the mid teens before  a person
can truthfully begin to make that decision.  


the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498510

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2015-06-07 22:54 +0000
Message-ID<ml2i2h$foq$6@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#498413
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
>>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome
>>>>>>>> >>>to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
>>>>>>> >>God".
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
>>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
>>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>
>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>> 
>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>
>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
> 
> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
> God". 

Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were brainwashed. 
Your belief was decided for you by your parents.

> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
> persisted, avoiding Church. 

That's not atheism.

> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
> life.

And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.

> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with myself

A drunk is happier than a sober man.

> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
> as myself.

Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the 
USA.

>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>Do babies believe in a god?
> 
> No.  

Therefore, they are atheists.

> It's a gradual learning. 

= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will remain 
atheists, no decision needed.

> And it's not until the mid teens before 
> a person can truthfully begin to make that decision.

You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental indoctrination.

> *****
> "Peadophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#498540

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2015-06-07 18:10 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-52AE1E.18100907062015@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#498510
In article <ml2i2h$foq$6@speranza.aioe.org>, Smiler <smiler@jo.king> 
wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> >duke wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
> >>>>>>> >>wrote:
> >>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
> >>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome
> >>>>>>>> >>>to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
> >>>>>>> >>God".
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
> >>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
> >>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
> >>>>> The village idiot dreams.
> >>>>
> >>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
> >>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
> >>> 
> >>> Atheism is a decision.
> >>
> >>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
> > 
> > As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
> > graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
> > God". 
> 
> Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were brainwashed. 
> Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
> 
> > I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
> > persisted, avoiding Church. 
> 
> That's not atheism.
> 
> > But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
> > life.
> 
> And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
> 
> > So I began to seek truth.  By study,
> > reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
> > missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
> > see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with myself
> 
> A drunk is happier than a sober man.
> 
> > now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
> > as myself.
> 
> Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the 
> USA.
> 
> >>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
> >>Do babies believe in a god?
> > 
> > No.  
> 
> Therefore, they are atheists.
> 
> > It's a gradual learning. 
> 
> = Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will remain 
> atheists, no decision needed.


Hello.

-- 

JD

Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider
evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.

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#498639

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-08 07:37 -0500
Message-ID<fp2bna1iqac2a2888pjovkjeglddc3tm97@4ax.com>
In reply to#498510
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome
>>>>>>>>> >>>to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
>>>>>>>> >>God".
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
>>>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
>>>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>
>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>> 
>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>
>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>> 
>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>> God". 
>
>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were brainwashed. 
>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.

But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just as I then
taught my kids.

>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>> persisted, avoiding Church. 

>That's not atheism.

I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in serious doubt
about the presence of God.  That makes both you and me agnositc in our beliefs .
I grew up.

>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>> life.
>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.

You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.

>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
>> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
>> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with myself

>A drunk is happier than a sober man.

A sober man doesn't get a hangover.

>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
>> as myself.

>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the 
>USA.

I don't hate anyone.

>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>> No.  

>Therefore, they are atheists.

No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.

>> It's a gradual learning. 
>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will remain 
>atheists, no decision needed.

The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and push, push,
push.

>> And it's not until the mid teens before 
>> a person can truthfully begin to make that decision.

>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental indoctrination.

I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
when I fell away.


the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498781

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2015-06-08 23:00 +0000
Message-ID<ml56pp$p46$9@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#498639
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?  
>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is
>>>>>>>>> >>NO God".
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents
>>>>>>>> >fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>
>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>> 
>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>> God".
>>
>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>brainwashed.
>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
> 
> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just
> as I then taught my kids.

So you agree that you didn't decide and that your beliefs were implanted 
by your parents. As those beliefs were never implanted in me, I also never 
decided not to believe.

>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>> persisted, avoiding Church.
> 
>>That's not atheism.
> 
> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in serious
> doubt about the presence of God.  That makes both you and me agnositc in
> our beliefs .
> I grew up.

No you haven't. You're still under the influence of your parental 
indoctrination.

> 
>>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>>> life.
>>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
> 
> You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.

I'm judging from your posts and the crap they contain.

>>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
>>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
>>> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
>>> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with
>>> myself
> 
>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
> 
> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.

A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.
 
>>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my
>>> neighbor as myself.
> 
>>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the
>>USA.
> 
> I don't hate anyone.

A lie of the first order.

>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>> No.
> 
>>Therefore, they are atheists.
> 
> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.

They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.
 
>>> It's a gradual learning.
>>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will
>>remain atheists, no decision needed.
> 
> The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and push,
> push, push.

What am I hiding from?
 
>>> And it's not until the mid teens before a person can truthfully begin
>>> to make that decision.
> 
>>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental
>>indoctrination.
> 
> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live. 
> Then I reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a
> serious mistake when I fell away.

So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
I pity you.

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#498789

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2015-06-08 18:41 -0500
Message-ID<hm8cnap3s82i8hinihrtblk722vi90tq00@4ax.com>
In reply to#498781
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?  
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is
>>>>>>>>>> >>NO God".
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents
>>>>>>>>> >fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>
>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>> 
>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>> God".
>>>
>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>brainwashed.
>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>> 
>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just
>> as I then taught my kids.
>
>So you agree that you didn't decide and that your beliefs were implanted 
>by your parents. As those beliefs were never implanted in me, I also never 
>decided not to believe.
>
>>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>>> persisted, avoiding Church.

What fucking "same doubts as everybody in [t]his ng" was the proven
serial liar lying about?

He knows you'd have to be Christian to have something to doubt.

>>>That's not atheism.
>> 
>> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in serious
>> doubt about the presence of God.  

WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world outside his religion?

>>                                                       That makes both you and me agnositc in
>> our beliefs .

Liar. Atheists aren't agnostic, because not being Christian they have
nothing to be agnostic about.

But then the proven serial liar knows that. After all, we've been
correcting him ever since he first crashed the group all those years
ago.

>> I grew up.

Hardly, liar.

>No you haven't. You're still under the influence of your parental 
>indoctrination.

He's seriously mentally ill - not because he's a Christian, but
because he refuses to think outside the box to admit he could be wrong
about people outside his religion and lacks the human decency to
accept grant that they're telling the truth about themselves when they
explain their position.

>>>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>>>> life.
>>>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
>> 
>> You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.

Liar.

We simply see what we see - some seriously disturbed religion who
religiously harasses atheist and refused to accept that they're not
closet Christians.

>I'm judging from your posts and the crap they contain.

As do we all.

>>>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,

Why do these liars pretend  their religious beliefs are "truth"?

>>>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
>>>> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
>>>> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with
>>>> myself

If the proven serial liar actually were, he would not spend all his
time religiously harassing a minority for whom he has an irrational
hatred. 

>>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>> 
>> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.
>
>A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.
> 
>>>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my
>>>> neighbor as myself.

An outright lie, as demonstrated by his appalling behaviour towards
us.

>>>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the
>>>USA.
>> 
>> I don't hate anyone.

Liar. His obsessive behaviour here is driven by hatred.

>A lie of the first order.

Clearly.

>>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>>> No.
>> 
>>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>> 
>> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.

WHAT FUCKING PRESENCE OF WHAT FUCKING GOD?

Even after all these years, the deliberately nasty, in-your-face liar
refuses to accept that atheists are totally outside his religious
paradigm so its presumptions and tenets don't even apply. 

>They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.

Trivially so. And those of us who ere never taught to be theist in
childhood remained in exactly the same state of not believing in any
god.

To the extent that when I was eight and discovered the hard way that
some people believed still believed the stuff of ancient mythology, it
made no difference whatsoever to the fact that I didn't believe it.

But these morons imagine its merest mention takes it into the realm of
something to believe does or does not exist. 

>>>> It's a gradual learning.
>>>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will
>>>remain atheists, no decision needed.

Like many of us here, including myself.
 
>> The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and push,
>> push, push.

The deliberately nasty, in-your-face liar does it again.

Nobody is hiding from anything - except Liarboi Puke, aka Fatso the
BEached Whale who hides from reality.

>What am I hiding from?

The elephant in the room?
 
>>>> And it's not until the mid teens before a person can truthfully begin
>>>> to make that decision.

WHAT FUCKING DECISION?
 
>>>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental
>>>indoctrination.

Exactly.
 
>> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live. 
>> Then I reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a
>> serious mistake when I fell away.

No. He reverted to his childhood brainwashing.

>So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
>I pity you.

I don't - I might if he had any human decency and weren't so
obnoxiously nasty.

>> *****
>> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI *****

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#499021

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-09 15:16 -0500
Message-ID<b9ienadujdf9c7s3qtuskb0oadfiv6i2se@4ax.com>
In reply to#498789
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:41:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?  
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>NO God".
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents
>>>>>>>>>> >fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>>> God".
>>>>
>>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>>> 
>>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just
>>> as I then taught my kids.
>>
>>So you agree that you didn't decide and that your beliefs were implanted 
>>by your parents. As those beliefs were never implanted in me, I also never 
>>decided not to believe.
>>
>>>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>>>> persisted, avoiding Church.
>
>What fucking "same doubts as everybody in [t]his ng" was the proven
>serial liar lying about?

Not convinced by the evidence; being an agnostic.

>He knows you'd have to be Christian to have something to doubt.

NOt a Christian but a person with evidence.

>>>>That's not atheism.
>>> 
>>> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in serious
>>> doubt about the presence of God.  
>
>WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world outside his religion?
>
>>>                                                       That makes both you and me agnositc in
>>> our beliefs .

>Liar. Atheists aren't agnostic, because not being Christian they have
>nothing to be agnostic about.

There is no such thing as an atheist.  There's too much evidence to consider to
say there is NO God.
>
>But then the proven serial liar knows that. After all, we've been
>correcting him ever since he first crashed the group all those years
>ago.
>
>>> I grew up.
>
>Hardly, liar.
>
>>No you haven't. You're still under the influence of your parental 
>>indoctrination.
>
>He's seriously mentally ill - not because he's a Christian, but
>because he refuses to think outside the box to admit he could be wrong
>about people outside his religion and lacks the human decency to
>accept grant that they're telling the truth about themselves when they
>explain their position.
>
>>>>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>>>>> life.
>>>>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
>>> 
>>> You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.
>
>Liar.
>
>We simply see what we see - some seriously disturbed religion who
>religiously harasses atheist and refused to accept that they're not
>closet Christians.
>
>>I'm judging from your posts and the crap they contain.
>
>As do we all.
>
>>>>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
>
>Why do these liars pretend  their religious beliefs are "truth"?
>
>>>>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
>>>>> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
>>>>> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with
>>>>> myself
>
>If the proven serial liar actually were, he would not spend all his
>time religiously harassing a minority for whom he has an irrational
>hatred. 
>
>>>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>>> 
>>> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.
>>
>>A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.
>> 
>>>>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my
>>>>> neighbor as myself.
>
>An outright lie, as demonstrated by his appalling behaviour towards
>us.
>
>>>>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the
>>>>USA.
>>> 
>>> I don't hate anyone.
>
>Liar. His obsessive behaviour here is driven by hatred.
>
>>A lie of the first order.
>
>Clearly.
>
>>>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>>>> No.
>>> 
>>>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>>> 
>>> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.
>
>WHAT FUCKING PRESENCE OF WHAT FUCKING GOD?
>
>Even after all these years, the deliberately nasty, in-your-face liar
>refuses to accept that atheists are totally outside his religious
>paradigm so its presumptions and tenets don't even apply. 
>
>>They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.
>
>Trivially so. And those of us who ere never taught to be theist in
>childhood remained in exactly the same state of not believing in any
>god.
>
>To the extent that when I was eight and discovered the hard way that
>some people believed still believed the stuff of ancient mythology, it
>made no difference whatsoever to the fact that I didn't believe it.
>
>But these morons imagine its merest mention takes it into the realm of
>something to believe does or does not exist. 
>
>>>>> It's a gradual learning.
>>>>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will
>>>>remain atheists, no decision needed.
>
>Like many of us here, including myself.
> 
>>> The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and push,
>>> push, push.
>
>The deliberately nasty, in-your-face liar does it again.
>
>Nobody is hiding from anything - except Liarboi Puke, aka Fatso the
>BEached Whale who hides from reality.
>
>>What am I hiding from?
>
>The elephant in the room?
> 
>>>>> And it's not until the mid teens before a person can truthfully begin
>>>>> to make that decision.
>
>WHAT FUCKING DECISION?
> 
>>>>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental
>>>>indoctrination.
>
>Exactly.
> 
>>> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live. 
>>> Then I reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a
>>> serious mistake when I fell away.
>
>No. He reverted to his childhood brainwashing.
>
>>So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
>>I pity you.
>
>I don't - I might if he had any human decency and weren't so
>obnoxiously nasty.
>
>>> *****
>>> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>>> Pope Paul VI *****

the dukester, American-American

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#499106

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2015-06-10 00:00 +0000
Message-ID<ml7uno$7ul$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#499021
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:16:30 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:41:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
> <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>> talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>is NO God".
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and
>>>>>>>>>>> >parents fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming
>>>>>>>>>off all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>>>> God".
>>>>>
>>>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>>>> 
>>>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct,
>>>> just as I then taught my kids.
>>>
>>>So you agree that you didn't decide and that your beliefs were
>>>implanted by your parents. As those beliefs were never implanted in me,
>>>I also never decided not to believe.
>>>
>>>>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>>>>> persisted, avoiding Church.
>>
>>What fucking "same doubts as everybody in [t]his ng" was the proven
>>serial liar lying about?
> 
> Not convinced by the evidence; being an agnostic.

What evidence would that be, liar puke?

>>He knows you'd have to be Christian to have something to doubt.
> 
> NOt a Christian but a person with evidence.

There is NO EVIDENCE, liar puke.

>>>>>That's not atheism.
>>>> 
>>>> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in
>>>> serious doubt about the presence of God.
>>
>>WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world outside his religion?
>>
>>>>                                                       That makes both
>>>>                                                       you and me
>>>>                                                       agnositc in
>>>> our beliefs .
> 
>>Liar. Atheists aren't agnostic, because not being Christian they have
>>nothing to be agnostic about.
> 
> There is no such thing as an atheist.  There's too much evidence to
> consider to say there is NO God.

There is NO EVIDENCE, liar puke.

<snip>
>>>> *****
>>>> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>>>> Pope Paul VI *****

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#499123

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2015-06-09 20:00 -0500
Message-ID<9t2fna1oj9th4hj83k88f89u5lgi698lng@4ax.com>
In reply to#499106
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:00:56 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:16:30 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 18:41:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
>> <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>> talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>is NO God".
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >parents fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming
>>>>>>>>>>off all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>>>>> God".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct,
>>>>> just as I then taught my kids.
>>>>
>>>>So you agree that you didn't decide and that your beliefs were
>>>>implanted by your parents. As those beliefs were never implanted in me,
>>>>I also never decided not to believe.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>>>>>> persisted, avoiding Church.
>>>
>>>What fucking "same doubts as everybody in [t]his ng" was the proven
>>>serial liar lying about?
>> 
>> Not convinced by the evidence; being an agnostic.
>
>What evidence would that be, liar puke?
>
>>>He knows you'd have to be Christian to have something to doubt.
>> 
>> NOt a Christian but a person with evidence.
>
>There is NO EVIDENCE, liar puke.
>
>>>>>>That's not atheism.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in
>>>>> serious doubt about the presence of God.
>>>
>>>WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world outside his religion?
>>>
>>>>>                                                       That makes both
>>>>>                                                       you and me
>>>>>                                                       agnositc in
>>>>> our beliefs .
>> 
>>>Liar. Atheists aren't agnostic, because not being Christian they have
>>>nothing to be agnostic about.
>> 
>> There is no such thing as an atheist.  There's too much evidence to
>> consider to say there is NO God.
>
>There is NO EVIDENCE, liar puke.

And the deliberately nasty, button-pushing liar knows that is not what
an atheist is, because we've been correcting what might actually once
have been an honest mistake on his part a couple of decades ago, every
time he has repeated it.

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#499015

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-09 15:14 -0500
Message-ID<4qhenadojjtcmpmck3g1bqrkoqeqh58tlj@4ax.com>
In reply to#498781
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?  
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is
>>>>>>>>>> >>NO God".
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents
>>>>>>>>> >fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>
>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>> 
>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>> God".
>>>
>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>brainwashed.
>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>> 
>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just
>> as I then taught my kids.

>So you agree that you didn't decide 

I did not "decide" to believe.  After much study and evaluation, I realized I
had misjudged the evidence and now saw the error of my old ways.

Change, change, change.

>and that your beliefs were implanted 
>by your parents. As those beliefs were never implanted in me, I also never 
>decided not to believe.

Condemnation comes in adulthood when you still "_decide_ not believe".
Heeheehee.

>>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>>> persisted, avoiding Church.
>> 
>>>That's not atheism.
>> 
>> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in serious
>> doubt about the presence of God.  That makes both you and me agnositc in
>> our beliefs .
>> I grew up.

>No you haven't. You're still under the influence of your parental 
>indoctrination.

Of course I did.  In my advanced studied, I came to see all the truths I had
overlooked.  You refuse to look to see if you overlooked anything.
 
>>>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>>>> life.
>>>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
>> 
>> You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.
>
>I'm judging from your posts and the crap they contain.

Use your left hand.

>>>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
>>>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
>>>> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
>>>> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with
>>>> myself
>> 
>>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>> 
>> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.

>A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.

A sober man never does.
 
>>>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my
>>>> neighbor as myself.
>> 
>>>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the
>>>USA.
>> 
>> I don't hate anyone.

>A lie of the first order.

Really.  I don't hate you or anyone.

>>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>>> No.
>> 
>>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>> 
>> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.

>They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.

They are not even agnostics - they are incapable of making a decision either
way. 
 
>>>> It's a gradual learning.
>>>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will
>>>remain atheists, no decision needed.
>> 
>> The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and push,
>> push, push.
>
>What am I hiding from?

What ever it is, you'll find it if you push hard enough.
 
>>>> And it's not until the mid teens before a person can truthfully begin
>>>> to make that decision.
>> 
>>>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental
>>>indoctrination.
 
>> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live. 
>> Then I reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a
>> serious mistake when I fell away.

>So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
>I pity you.

Dreamer in color.

the dukester, American-American

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#499112

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2015-06-10 00:16 +0000
Message-ID<ml7vlo$9dd$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#499015
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:14:16 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is
>>>>>>>>>>> >>NO God".
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and
>>>>>>>>>> >parents fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming
>>>>>>>>off all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>>> God".
>>>>
>>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>>> 
>>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just
>>> as I then taught my kids.
> 
>>So you agree that you didn't decide
> 
> I did not "decide" to believe.  After much study and evaluation, I
> realized I had misjudged the evidence and now saw the error of my old
> ways.
> 
> Change, change, change.
> 
>>and that your beliefs were implanted by your parents. As those beliefs
>>were never implanted in me, I also never decided not to believe.
> 
> Condemnation comes in adulthood when you still "_decide_ not believe".
> Heeheehee.

Still no decision until you provide the evidence that there _is_ something 
to believe in. But we all know that there is NO EVIDENCE.
 
>>>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>>>> persisted, avoiding Church.
>>> 
>>>>That's not atheism.
>>> 
>>> I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in
>>> serious doubt about the presence of God.  That makes both you and me
>>> agnositc in our beliefs .
>>> I grew up.
> 
>>No you haven't. You're still under the influence of your parental
>>indoctrination.
> 
> Of course I did.  In my advanced studied, I came to see all the truths I
> had overlooked.  You refuse to look to see if you overlooked anything.

Until you provide the evidence that there _is_ something I've overlooked 
there's nothing for me to look at. But we all know that there is NO 
EVIDENCE.

>>>>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>>>>> life.
>>>>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
>>> 
>>> You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.
>>
>>I'm judging from your posts and the crap they contain.
> 
> Use your left hand.

Is that how you get it from your arse to your computer?

>>>>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
>>>>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had
>>>>> totally missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I
>>>>> returned to see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been
>>>>> happier with myself
>>> 
>>>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>>> 
>>> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.
> 
>>A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.
> 
> A sober man never does.

But is still not as happy as a drunk.

>>>>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my
>>>>> neighbor as myself.
>>> 
>>>>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of
>>>>the USA.
>>> 
>>> I don't hate anyone.
> 
>>A lie of the first order.
> 
> Really.  I don't hate you or anyone.

Then why do you verbally harass atheists with your stupid unevidenced 
beliefs?
Why do you lie about having evidence when you have none?
Why do you sexually harass Jeanne?
Why do you call your president 'Buckwheat'?
Sure looks like hate to me.

>>>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>>>> No.
>>> 
>>>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>>> 
>>> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.
> 
>>They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.
> 
> They are not even agnostics - they are incapable of making a decision
> either way.

But you agreed that a decision isn't needed.

>>>>> It's a gradual learning.
>>>>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will
>>>>remain atheists, no decision needed.
>>> 
>>> The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and
>>> push,
>>> push, push.
>>
>>What am I hiding from?
> 
> What ever it is, you'll find it if you push hard enough.

More nonsense from the deluded mind of puke.
  
>>>>> And it's not until the mid teens before a person can truthfully
>>>>> begin to make that decision.
>>> 
>>>>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental
>>>>indoctrination.
>  
>>> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in
>>> live. Then I reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had
>>> made a serious mistake when I fell away.
> 
>>So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
>>I pity you.
> 
> Dreamer in color.

You're an idiot in need of treatment.

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#499199

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-10 11:31 -0500
Message-ID<lbpgnat4mbdsbll398laigobvjrfsqhr9g@4ax.com>
In reply to#499112
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:16:56 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:14:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>NO God".
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and
>>>>>>>>>>> >parents fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming
>>>>>>>>>off all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>>>> God".
>>>>>
>>>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>>>> 
>>>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just
>>>> as I then taught my kids.
>> 
>>>So you agree that you didn't decide
>> 
>> I did not "decide" to believe.  After much study and evaluation, I
>> realized I had misjudged the evidence and now saw the error of my old
>> ways.
>> 
>> Change, change, change.
>> 
>>>and that your beliefs were implanted by your parents. As those beliefs
>>>were never implanted in me, I also never decided not to believe.
>> 
>> Condemnation comes in adulthood when you still "_decide_ not believe".
>> Heeheehee.
>
>Still no decision until you provide the evidence that there _is_ something 
>to believe in. But we all know that there is NO EVIDENCE.

Cool.  Not my problem to solve.  

>> Of course I did.  In my advanced studied, I came to see all the truths I
>> had overlooked.  You refuse to look to see if you overlooked anything.

>Until you provide the evidence that there _is_ something I've overlooked 
>there's nothing for me to look at. But we all know that there is NO 
>EVIDENCE.

I have a feeling God's making out your papers today.
 
>>>>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>>>> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.
>>>A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.
>> A sober man never does.
>But is still not as happy as a drunk.

The drunk doesn't know.


>> Really.  I don't hate you or anyone.

>Then why do you verbally harass atheists with your stupid unevidenced 
>beliefs?

To "hep" you.

>>>>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>>>> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.

>>>They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.
>> They are not even agnostics - they are incapable of making a decision
>> either way.

>But you agreed that a decision isn't needed.

A decision is absolutely mandated.

>>>So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
>>>I pity you.
>> Dreamer in color.
>You're an idiot in need of treatment.

I believe in God.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#499312

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2015-06-11 00:49 +0000
Message-ID<mlalun$dd1$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#499199
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 11:31:54 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:16:56 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:14:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:00:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi
>>>>>>>>> <talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>> talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>it...it's the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Welcome to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>is NO God".
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human
>>>>>>>>>>>> >beings, who lack belief in any gods, before priests and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >parents fill their heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming
>>>>>>>>>>off all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>>>>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>>>>>> God".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were
>>>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct,
>>>>> just as I then taught my kids.
>>> 
>>>>So you agree that you didn't decide
>>> 
>>> I did not "decide" to believe.  After much study and evaluation, I
>>> realized I had misjudged the evidence and now saw the error of my old
>>> ways.
>>> 
>>> Change, change, change.
>>> 
>>>>and that your beliefs were implanted by your parents. As those beliefs
>>>>were never implanted in me, I also never decided not to believe.
>>> 
>>> Condemnation comes in adulthood when you still "_decide_ not believe".
>>> Heeheehee.
>>
>>Still no decision until you provide the evidence that there _is_
>>something to believe in. But we all know that there is NO EVIDENCE.
> 
> Cool.  Not my problem to solve.

Thanks for the admission that you believe without a single scrap of 
evidence. P.T. Barnum was correct.
 
>>> Of course I did.  In my advanced studied, I came to see all the truths
>>> I had overlooked.  You refuse to look to see if you overlooked
>>> anything.
> 
>>Until you provide the evidence that there _is_ something I've overlooked
>>there's nothing for me to look at. But we all know that there is NO
>>EVIDENCE.
> 
> I have a feeling God's making out your papers today.

Your feelings are not evidence of anything but your stupidity.

>>>>>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>>>>> A sober man doesn't get a hangover.
>>>>A drunk doesn't necessarily get one either.
>>> A sober man never does.
>>But is still not as happy as a drunk.
> 
> The drunk doesn't know.

Neither does the sober man.
 
>>> Really.  I don't hate you or anyone.
> 
>>Then why do you verbally harass atheists with your stupid unevidenced
>>beliefs?
> 
> To "hep" you.

You're trying, over and over, to sell shoes to a man without legs.
Do you 'think' that's clever?
 
>>>>>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>>>>> No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.
> 
>>>>They do not believe in any gods, which makes them atheist.
>>> They are not even agnostics - they are incapable of making a decision
>>> either way.
> 
>>But you agreed that a decision isn't needed.
> 
> A decision is absolutely mandated.

So when did you make a decision to believe?
Remember that you've just stated that it's mandated.
 
>>>>So you are still under the influence of your parents' brainwashing.
>>>>I pity you.
>>> Dreamer in color.
>>You're an idiot in need of treatment.
> 
> I believe in God.

Q.E.D.

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#498787

Frombilgat@m.nu
Date2015-06-08 18:28 -0500
Message-ID<q59cnald1bthgkqcr8mit24nrgtpsu4sje@4ax.com>
In reply to#498639
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 07:37:23 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 09:55:04 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 20:25:42 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>>>On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 11:53:54 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:47:37 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>On 06/05/2015 01:54 PM, duke wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 18:37:23 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 03:58:35 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>
>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>You confusing the bible with the authors who wrote it...it's
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>the authors who are the bad people.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>Oh, you don't believe the Bible is the word of God?   Welcome
>>>>>>>>>> >>>to alt.atheism, you're in good company.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>The real problem is that atheism means "you declare there is NO
>>>>>>>>> >>God".
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Atheism is simply reverting to the default state of human beings,
>>>>>>>> >who lack belief in any gods, before priests and parents fill their
>>>>>>>> >heads with such bullcrap.
>>>>>>> The village idiot dreams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Next time you visit a maternity ward, just feel the evil coming off
>>>>>>all those atheist infants in the creche.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Atheism is a decision.
>>>>
>>>>When did _you_ decide to believe in god?
>>> 
>>> As a youngster, my family was religious and I hung in until my
>>> graduation from college, but I never came close to deciding "why a
>>> God". 
>>
>>Childhood indoctrination. You didn't decide because you were brainwashed. 
>>Your belief was decided for you by your parents.
>
>But then I grew up and found out for sure that they were correct, just as I then
>taught my kids.
>
>>> I had the same doubts as everybody in his ng.   For 20 years I
>>> persisted, avoiding Church. 
>
>>That's not atheism.
>
>I never said I was an athiest.  I was a fallen away Catholic in serious doubt
>about the presence of God.  That makes both you and me agnositc in our beliefs .
>I grew up.
>

doubting a god is in NO way agnostic...
>>> But eventually, it became obvious that I was increasingly failing at
>>> life.
>>And, from the evidence you've posted here, you still are.
>
>You sure are judging form the bottom looking up.
>
>>> So I began to seek truth.  By study,
>>> reasoning, retreats, reading, etc., I began to see what I had totally
>>> missed the first 40 years of my life, and "real slowly" I returned to
>>> see and evaluate.  After 30 years, I have never been happier with myself
>
>>A drunk is happier than a sober man.
>
>A sober man doesn't get a hangover.
>
>>> now that I follow Jesus in loving and obeying God and loving my neighbor
>>> as myself.
>
>>Except if he's atheist, gay, Democ_Rat, Protest_Ant, or President of the 
>>USA.
>
>I don't hate anyone.
>
>>>>> Babies are too young to make meaningful decisions.
>>>>Do babies believe in a god?
>>> No.  
>
>>Therefore, they are atheists.
>
>No, they have no mental capacity to ascertain the presence of God.
>
>>> It's a gradual learning. 
>>= Indoctrination. With no or unsuccessful indoctrination they will remain 
>>atheists, no decision needed.
>
>The only way to hide is to jam your pointed head in the ground and push, push,
>push.
>
>>> And it's not until the mid teens before 
>>> a person can truthfully begin to make that decision.
>
>>You made NO decision. It was implanted in you by parental indoctrination.
>
>I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
>reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
>when I fell away.
>
>
>the dukester, American-American
>
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****

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#498797

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-06-08 17:24 -0700
Message-ID<ml5bnc02taq@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#498787
On 06/08/2015 04:28 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
>>reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
>>when I fell away.

So what was it that brought you back to Holy Mother Church, Duke?   The 
way boy butt sex became so close to a new sacrament the Pope kicked 
Cardinal Law upstairs to Rome when things got too hot in the States for him?

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#499022

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-09 15:18 -0500
Message-ID<heiena9ul031kj7gnmtvc5hhabsf41i3sv@4ax.com>
In reply to#498797
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:24:15 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>On 06/08/2015 04:28 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
>>>reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
>>>when I fell away.

>So what was it that brought you back to Holy Mother Church, Duke?   

Weak beliefs solidified by study and reevaluation.

>he 
>way boy butt sex became so close to a new sacrament the Pope kicked 
>Cardinal Law upstairs to Rome when things got too hot in the States for him?

Cardinal Law appeared before the Grand Jury and was dismissed by them.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#499067

Frombilgat@m.nu
Date2015-06-09 17:06 -0500
Message-ID<uooenaddo6vdjo33ellrhr3lrtfv4ruaff@4ax.com>
In reply to#499022
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 15:18:44 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:24:15 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>
>>On 06/08/2015 04:28 PM, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>>> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
>>>>reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
>>>>when I fell away.
>
>>So what was it that brought you back to Holy Mother Church, Duke?   
>
>Weak beliefs solidified by study and reevaluation.

no if you aare refering to the belief in a god then weak beliefs are
solified <sic> by gaining stupidity

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#499119

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-06-09 17:39 -0700
Message-ID<ml80vm31hu1@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#499022
On 06/09/2015 01:18 PM, duke wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:24:15 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>  wrote:
>
>> >On 06/08/2015 04:28 PM,bilgat@m.nu  wrote:
>>> >>I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
>>>> >>>reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
>>>> >>>when I fell away.
>> >So what was it that brought you back to Holy Mother Church, Duke?
> Weak beliefs solidified by study and reevaluation.
>
>> >he
>> >way boy butt sex became so close to a new sacrament the Pope kicked
>> >Cardinal Law upstairs to Rome when things got too hot in the States for him?
> Cardinal Law appeared before the Grand Jury and was dismissed by them.

No doubt because the evidence was buried under the seal of confession 
under pain of excommunication.

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#499201

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-10 11:33 -0500
Message-ID<akpgnadrm989p9veii1m1vlui6cca169d1@4ax.com>
In reply to#499119
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:39:21 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>On 06/09/2015 01:18 PM, duke wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:24:15 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> >On 06/08/2015 04:28 PM,bilgat@m.nu  wrote:
>>>> >>I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
>>>>> >>>reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
>>>>> >>>when I fell away.
>>> >So what was it that brought you back to Holy Mother Church, Duke?
>> Weak beliefs solidified by study and reevaluation.
>>
>>> >he
>>> >way boy butt sex became so close to a new sacrament the Pope kicked
>>> >Cardinal Law upstairs to Rome when things got too hot in the States for him?
>> Cardinal Law appeared before the Grand Jury and was dismissed by them.

>No doubt because the evidence was buried under the seal of confession 
>under pain of excommunication.

He answered their questions and they sent him on his way.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498830

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-06-08 19:11 -0700
Message-ID<ml5i2t41pl5@news6.newsguy.com>
In reply to#498639
On 06/08/2015 05:37 AM, duke wrote:
> I became a fallen away Catholic in my teens and a little later in live.  Then I
> reevaluated myself and my beliefs and found that I had made a serious mistake
> when I fell away.

And you compounded that mistake by going back to the church of the 
pedophile clergy.

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