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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-09-30 15:42 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-10-05 13:25 -0500 |
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1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 15:42 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-30 19:50 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 20:43 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 21:16 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 21:22 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-30 22:47 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-01 13:48 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-10-01 15:27 +0100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 09:53 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-10-01 21:53 +0100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:06 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 13:31 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-01 15:03 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-02 14:54 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-02 00:18 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:31 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 09:57 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:11 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:03 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:47 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:10 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 21:15 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:21 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 22:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 17:28 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 22:51 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:26 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 05:32 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 20:25 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-09 03:14 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 13:59 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-09 00:44 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-09 22:30 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:20 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:11 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 10:27 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:26 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:16 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 22:28 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:18 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:47 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:17 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 19:44 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:29 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:15 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 10:47 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 14:40 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:24 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:43 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-02 23:17 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:48 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-03 11:57 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:37 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:17 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:30 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 20:17 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-02 20:48 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 21:10 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 05:14 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-03 14:45 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 00:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 12:32 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 18:41 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 14:59 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 19:44 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 16:04 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-04 21:45 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 22:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 16:13 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 00:06 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 19:39 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:06 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 23:07 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:24 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-05 21:28 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 19:55 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 04:29 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 08:01 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:29 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 12:39 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 04:19 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-06 18:02 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:30 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-10-08 00:38 +1100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 21:51 +0000
Re: Gary R. Schmidt's sig. "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-10-28 00:11 +1100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2016-10-07 00:33 +0200
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:28 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-06 12:00 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:46 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:05 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 20:29 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:40 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 20:58 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 19:24 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 04:54 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:11 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-06 23:10 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:15 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-07 10:12 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:15 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 14:29 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-08 01:32 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 14:33 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 21:55 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:43 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 22:55 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 16:23 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 01:47 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:25 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 05:34 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 14:34 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-09 00:25 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 18:23 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-09 03:15 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 23:46 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-09 12:07 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 11:23 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-09 14:41 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 11:44 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 11:25 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 11:43 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-09 14:44 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <throbbingsausage@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 11:45 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-09 20:53 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 20:39 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lifer <lifer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 00:53 +0200
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-10 01:16 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 18:52 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-14 19:12 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 23:27 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 21:37 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-14 22:09 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-09 17:52 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 11:23 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 17:31 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:14 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 18:48 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:53 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 12:04 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:15 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 14:37 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 13:14 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 17:30 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:45 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 22:22 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:25 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 13:43 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 14:34 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 16:46 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 15:55 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-09 12:19 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 11:23 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-09 18:39 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 20:39 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-09 23:00 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-10 08:27 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 09:08 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-10 11:21 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 14:45 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-10 19:57 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 18:51 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 09:07 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-10 11:24 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 14:45 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-10 20:01 -0500
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-13 20:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntpcq7$1172$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #600716 |
On 10/13/2016 10:47 AM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 2:46:06 PM UTC-4, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> edprochak@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 5:16:04 PM UTC-4, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> edprochak@gmail.com wrote: >>> [] >>>>> I SAID : VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV >>>>>>>> I'll have to look more into the plans for energy production. >>>>> >>>>> How many times do you have to ask the same question? >>>> >>>> Likely until you provide a rational answer. >>>> >>>> The solar irradiance on Mars on average is about half that of Earth >>>> when there are no dust storms, and there are lots of dust storms. >>> >>> So there may be possibility for wind power. Thin atmosphere, but >>> how much power could be converted? something to consider. all options >>> should be checked. >> >> How much can be converted you ask? >> >> The same as anywhere else, about 30% of whatever is available, but >> since the atmosphere is so thin, there is little available. > > okay, you argue against solar on mars because of > "lots of dust storms." that is what stops the Rover for months which is on Mars and solar powered > but then argue against wind power > because "the atmosphere is so thin". it is only 1% of earth, not enough mass blowing to really generate a lot of power, and does Mars have strong prevailing winds ? think not. > > Actually I am arguing that they might be able to harness > both forms of power. just as we need to do here. they need power at night, and when the wind is blowing, so they must use a nuk. no need for wind power. some solar may help but dust is a big problem, how do you clean it with out water or personel or scratching it ? > >> >>>> The only way to provide the enormous amount of power needed to turn >>>> dirt and rocks into anything useful can only be supplied by several >>>> nuclear reactors. >>> >>> I'm sure that is not the only way, but I agree Nuclear would be a big >>> source. >> >> If you are so sure, name it. > > Wind, solar. Boy you have very short term memory. nope, they sound good, but not enough power during night. and wind is too wimpy >>> >>> Maybe they can develop the technology for the Mars colony, then we get >>> the benefit of the research for plants here on earth. >> >> Fine. This just means you have to transport everything from Earth. > > So did you read the Musk plan at all? yep, most all daydreams wo the engineering, no cost constraints > >> >>> IF it turns out there is not enough water, maybe direct conversion >>> with thermal electric generators can be done. And then the "waste heat" >>> can also be piped around the colony for room heating and such. >> >> The typical efficiency of thermal electric generators is around 5-8%. > > Yes, so? You are connecting them to a nuclear plant. LOTS of heat > available. > >> >> Piping heat anywhere, whether for heating or just dumpling it requires >> a transport medium such as water. > > What is it with the water fascination with you? > You never had a house with forced hot air for heating? it is mass, the mass of the water carrys far more heat than air, higher effeciency, etc. Humans require a lot of water. >> >>> Regarding the water, the space station shows that recycling water >>> works. So It would be interesting to calculate how much water would >>> really be needed per person. Clearly a lot less that what is used >>> by we Americans per person. I know of a company working on home >>> based recycling of water (for homes in drought affected areas). >> >> So where is this water recyling plant going to come from other >> than Earth? >> >> One more huge, heavy, expensive thing that needs to be transported. > > maybe the first few. Later they will make their own. > Again, did you not read the plan? old news, space station has it > >> >> No one is going to be watering a lawn on Mars. >> >> They do not wash anything on the space station; they send dirty stuff >> back to Earth and send up clean stuff on a regular basis. > > Space station does not have the room. Mars will have room > for washing machines. Maybe not even water based. (ever had > your suit dry cleaned?) dry cleaning is with fluids, they used to use carbontet, but that causes cancer. I saw a film from the early 50;s of people walking down into a pool of carbontet, and back out again, all their clothes were cleaned. but you cant have an air polutant on the station, therefore no dry cleaning. >> >>> The problems can be solved. and the benefits will come back to us. >> >> Sure the problems can be solved by sending huge amounts of stuff to >> Mars on a regular basis. What benefit does that have to the taxpayers >> funding all this? >> > The colonists devise new ways of making things work with the resources > available on Mars. We then can do some of the same things here. > We will benefit. arizona, austrailia will benifit, they are full of rocks and sand. > >> >> Like what exactly? Collect everyone's shit, dry it on the near >> vacuum surface and burn it in a steam boiler? Oops, no oxygen >> to burn anything and no water for the boiler. > > Again the SHORT TERM memory is failing you. Molten Salt Reactors. > I even mentioned it again on the line below. just above you sig: there are safer reactors, they would probably just scale up one like the use to power deep spacecraft, radioactive stuff heats up therompiles. ultra reliable, lasts long time. >> >>> (Interesting too. I may just have to read more about MSR.) >>> >>> Have a nice day. >> >> -- >> Jim Pennino > > (like talking to a two year old.) > two is bettr than a three year old!
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-14 08:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1783bdc5-e884-4033-961e-e61db9d0db7f@googlegroups.com> |
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On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 9:36:13 PM UTC-4, Serigo wrote:
> On 10/13/2016 10:47 AM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
[]
> > [repling to JP
> > okay, you argue against solar on mars because of
> > "lots of dust storms."
>
> that is what stops the Rover for months which is on Mars and solar powered
And then recovers when a "cleaning event" occurs.
>
> > but then argue against wind power
> > because "the atmosphere is so thin".
>
> it is only 1% of earth, not enough mass blowing to really generate a lot
> of power, and does Mars have strong prevailing winds ? think not.
Agree, both forms are likely to be intermittent.
>
> >
> > Actually I am arguing that they might be able to harness
> > both forms of power. just as we need to do here.
>
> they need power at night, and when the wind is blowing, so they must use
> a nuk. no need for wind power. some solar may help but dust is a big
> problem, how do you clean it with out water or personel or scratching it ?
>
Every so often clean it with the equivalent of a leaf blower.
[]
> > Wind, solar. Boy you have very short term memory.
>
> nope, they sound good, but not enough power during night. and wind is
> too wimpy
So? Use multiple sources, {gasp} just like here on earth.
>
>
[]
> > So did you read the Musk plan at all?
>
> yep, most all daydreams wo the engineering, no cost constraints
>
So you know they do plan to send a lots of material initially,
until it becomes self sustaining.
[]
> >
> > What is it with the water fascination with you?
> > You never had a house with forced hot air for heating?
>
> it is mass, the mass of the water carrys far more heat than air, higher
> effeciency, etc. Humans require a lot of water.
Sure, and if the water is available, that is the first choice.
JP was arguing there is little or no water available.
[water recycling equipment discussion]
> >
> > maybe the first few. Later they will make their own.
> > Again, did you not read the plan?
>
> old news, space station has it
exactly. that part is not a problem.
>
> >
> > Space station does not have the room. Mars will have room
> > for washing machines. Maybe not even water based. (ever had
> > your suit dry cleaned?)
>
> dry cleaning is with fluids, they used to use carbontet, but that causes
> cancer. I saw a film from the early 50;s of people walking down into a
> pool of carbontet, and back out again, all their clothes were cleaned.
>
> but you cant have an air polutant on the station, therefore no dry cleaning.
>
But we know how to contain such vapors.
[]
> >
> > Again the SHORT TERM memory is failing you. Molten Salt Reactors.
> > I even mentioned it again on the line below. just above you sig:
>
> there are safer reactors, they would probably just scale up one like the
> use to power deep spacecraft, radioactive stuff heats up therompiles.
> ultra reliable, lasts long time.
Yes, we agree that there are solutions
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-14 17:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k1j7dd-voh.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #600845 |
edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 9:36:13 PM UTC-4, Serigo wrote:
>> On 10/13/2016 10:47 AM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> []
>> > [repling to JP
>> > okay, you argue against solar on mars because of
>> > "lots of dust storms."
>>
>> that is what stops the Rover for months which is on Mars and solar powered
>
> And then recovers when a "cleaning event" occurs.
Yes, that is the advantage to robots. The don't die while waiting for
the power to come back on, the just go to sleep.
>> > but then argue against wind power
>> > because "the atmosphere is so thin".
>>
>> it is only 1% of earth, not enough mass blowing to really generate a lot
>> of power, and does Mars have strong prevailing winds ? think not.
>
> Agree, both forms are likely to be intermittent.
Intermittant and lacking in substance.
>> > Actually I am arguing that they might be able to harness
>> > both forms of power. just as we need to do here.
>>
>> they need power at night, and when the wind is blowing, so they must use
>> a nuk. no need for wind power. some solar may help but dust is a big
>> problem, how do you clean it with out water or personel or scratching it ?
>>
> Every so often clean it with the equivalent of a leaf blower.
> []
To get the equivelant electrical power of a small 50 MW reactor you need
over a million square meters of solar panel on Mars.
That would require a very large crew of leaf blower operators.
>> > Wind, solar. Boy you have very short term memory.
>>
>> nope, they sound good, but not enough power during night. and wind is
>> too wimpy
>
> So? Use multiple sources, {gasp} just like here on earth.
The non-conventional sources, i.e. not nuclear, coal, natural gas,
or hydro, are a tiny fraction of the power used on Earth.
While solar and wind could supply a small amount of energy on Mars,
enough to support a small research station, it is obviously not
enough to support a full blown colony with industry of any size.
>>
> []
>> > So did you read the Musk plan at all?
>>
>> yep, most all daydreams wo the engineering, no cost constraints
>>
> So you know they do plan to send a lots of material initially,
> until it becomes self sustaining.
Lots being measured in the equivelant of a medium sized city if
the goal is a colony.
> []
>> >
>> > What is it with the water fascination with you?
>> > You never had a house with forced hot air for heating?
>>
>> it is mass, the mass of the water carrys far more heat than air, higher
>> effeciency, etc. Humans require a lot of water.
>
> Sure, and if the water is available, that is the first choice.
> JP was arguing there is little or no water available.
No, I was not.
I stated the fact that it is unknown whether or not there are large
quatities of water available any place other than the poles.
Even the most starry eyed space cadet dreamer has to agree that putting
a colony at the poles is stupid.
> [water recycling equipment discussion]
>> >
>> > maybe the first few. Later they will make their own.
>> > Again, did you not read the plan?
>>
>> old news, space station has it
>
> exactly. that part is not a problem.
>>
>> >
>> > Space station does not have the room. Mars will have room
>> > for washing machines. Maybe not even water based. (ever had
>> > your suit dry cleaned?)
>>
>> dry cleaning is with fluids, they used to use carbontet, but that causes
>> cancer. I saw a film from the early 50;s of people walking down into a
>> pool of carbontet, and back out again, all their clothes were cleaned.
>>
>> but you cant have an air polutant on the station, therefore no dry cleaning.
>>
>
> But we know how to contain such vapors.
> []
True, but where do you get it if you don't have a massive chemical
industry manufacturing it?
>> > Again the SHORT TERM memory is failing you. Molten Salt Reactors.
>> > I even mentioned it again on the line below. just above you sig:
>>
>> there are safer reactors, they would probably just scale up one like the
>> use to power deep spacecraft, radioactive stuff heats up therompiles.
>> ultra reliable, lasts long time.
>
> Yes, we agree that there are solutions
--
Jim Pennino
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-04 00:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oh9bcd-afc.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #599252 |
edprochak@gmail.com wrote: <snip> > Finally a relevant question. I'll reply with a question > about tech level: > > First does there need to be a high tech industry on Mars? The original post was about a self sustaining presense, so yes. If all you have is a research outpost, then all you need is constant resupply. > Certainly not for the first few stages of development. > The colonists will certainly not need brand new cell phones every two years. > Just a few IC machines may be enough to maintain the high tech > they need. making the pure silicon may be harder, but energy is the key. Clueless. > The energy question is the big one. I have not seen the solution there yet. > Maybe a big nuclear plant on the outskirts of the colony? A lot of big nuclear plants if you want self sustaining. > Maintaining a breathable atmosphere is what you mean. Airlocks are > not that hard to make and maintain. Once closed, there is sunlight available. > Some of the foodstuffs might come from recycling (think mushrooms, no light needed). I do not think it would take long to get through the first stage. > (Assume some kind of mining equipment sent there in the first years.) Nothing is hard to make and maintain as long as you have the phone number of a good industrial supply store and they deliver. Mushrooms, while tasty, are low in calories and most essential nutrients and only contain vitamin D if exposed to UV. > I'll have to look more into the plans for energy production. > > Solar cell: doable, but dust prone > Solar Concentrator: doable, but also dust prone Solar: a long way from the sun so not much energy there. > Nuclear: hard to transport the initial fuel (safety), may need > different reactor design if water resources are limited. The fuel is but a tiny fraction of what would need to be transported. > Others? Don't exist. The air is too thin to produce substantial amounts of wind power. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 17:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7036e6e4-5a72-4937-96d5-dd7fd1f64be5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #599338 |
There's going to be zero people going to Mars ever, ever, ever.
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 21:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsv372$tt9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #599340 |
On 10/3/2016 7:35 PM, john wrote: > There's going to be zero people > going to Mars ever, ever, ever. > bet there is a cult named "The Zero People" send the zeros to Mars
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 22:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nssjg7$q4k$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #599039 |
On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: > >> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: >>> >>>> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >>>>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: >> >>>>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared >>>>>>> -d ie .html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >>>>>> Mars. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission >>>>>> -e xp >>>>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study- >>>>>> cl ai ms.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>>>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>>>>> >>>>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests >>>>>> missions to >>>>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>>>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays >>>>>> increase This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can >>>>>> safely stay in space It is predicted solar activity will >>>>>> continue to decrease in future This will mean male astronauts >>>>>> can only stay in space for 320 days And for females this is >>>>>> reduced to just 240 days These would be too short for a >>>>>> mission to Mars, particularly for women Both would be >>>>>> susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and more >>>>> British 'journalism' at its best. >>>>> >>>>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >>>>> may drop to 30 as time went by. >>>>> >>>>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >>>>> obvious ones can be dealt with. >>>>> pt >>>> >>>> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, >>>> right ? >>> >>> Wrong. >>> >>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>> >>> pt >> >> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is >> a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for >> his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >> >> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >> wash clothes in space. > Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number > of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't > think it's a ploy; he's serious. > just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars stuff, 16 billion that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-03 05:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5569cd-pk5.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #599195 |
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: <snip> > just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars > stuff, 16 billion > > that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money. Obviously. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 21:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntcbgs$u8v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #599195 |
On 10/2/2016 10:32 PM, Serigo wrote: > On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: >> >>> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in >>>> news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: >>>> >>>>> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >>>>>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>> >>>>>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>>>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared >>>>>>>> -d ie .html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >>>>>>> Mars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission >>>>>>> -e xp >>>>>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study- >>>>>>> cl ai ms.html >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>>>>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests >>>>>>> missions to >>>>>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>>>>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays >>>>>>> increase This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can >>>>>>> safely stay in space It is predicted solar activity will >>>>>>> continue to decrease in future This will mean male astronauts >>>>>>> can only stay in space for 320 days And for females this is >>>>>>> reduced to just 240 days These would be too short for a >>>>>>> mission to Mars, particularly for women Both would be >>>>>>> susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and more > >>>>>> British 'journalism' at its best. >>>>>> >>>>>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >>>>>> may drop to 30 as time went by. >>>>>> >>>>>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >>>>>> obvious ones can be dealt with. > >>>>>> pt >>>>> >>>>> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, >>>>> right ? >>>> >>>> Wrong. >>>> >>>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>>> >>>> pt > >>> >>> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is >>> a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for >>> his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >>> >>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >>> wash clothes in space. > >> Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number >> of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't >> think it's a ploy; he's serious. >> > > just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars > stuff, 16 billion > > that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money. Musk needs to privately fund this. The USA is broke. Lynn
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 11:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntdqm3$e7f$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #600085 |
On 10/8/2016 9:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 10/2/2016 10:32 PM, Serigo wrote: >> On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >>>>>>>> Mars. >>>> >>>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >>>> wash clothes in space. >> >>> Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number >>> of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't >>> think it's a ploy; he's serious. >>> >> >> just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars >> stuff, 16 billion >> >> that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money. > > Musk needs to privately fund this. The USA is broke. > > Lynn > > the fix is in already, ted cruz introduced the bill for 16 Billion to congress to fund NASA for Mars. your tax dollars going into *Musk's pockets* to support already know "r+d" that cannot go anywhere.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 18:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hhdqcd-g94.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #600115 |
In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2016 9:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> On 10/2/2016 10:32 PM, Serigo wrote: >>> On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >>>>>>>>> Mars. > >>>>> >>>>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >>>>> wash clothes in space. >>> >>>> Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number >>>> of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't >>>> think it's a ploy; he's serious. >>>> >>> >>> just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars >>> stuff, 16 billion >>> >>> that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money. >> >> Musk needs to privately fund this. The USA is broke. >> >> Lynn >> >> > > the fix is in already, > > ted cruz introduced the bill for 16 Billion to congress to fund NASA for > Mars. > > your tax dollars going into *Musk's pockets* to support already know > "r+d" that cannot go anywhere. If it is for robotic probes, I'm all for it. If it is to send starry eyed space cadets farther than low Earth orbit, it is a waste of money. Send hundreds of robots to Mars and scour every inch of it. Is there actually any READILY available water? Are there any USEFULL mineral deposits? Where are they all located? Until all the necessary resources to support an actual colony are discovered, there is no reason to even talk about a colony on Mars. If and when the resources are located, then a research station could be set up to evaluate the possible viability of a colony. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 10:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1944f506-f1ce-45c2-9757-4242f04e553f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600121 |
On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 2:16:07 PM UTC-4, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: > > On 10/8/2016 9:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > >> On 10/2/2016 10:32 PM, Serigo wrote: > >>> On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > >>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of > >>>>>>>>> Mars. > > > >>>>> > >>>>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to > >>>>> wash clothes in space. > >>> > >>>> Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number > >>>> of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't > >>>> think it's a ploy; he's serious. > >>>> > >>> > >>> just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars > >>> stuff, 16 billion > >>> > >>> that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money. > >> > >> Musk needs to privately fund this. The USA is broke. > >> > >> Lynn > >> > >> > > > > the fix is in already, > > > > ted cruz introduced the bill for 16 Billion to congress to fund NASA for > > Mars. > > > > your tax dollars going into *Musk's pockets* to support already know > > "r+d" that cannot go anywhere. > > If it is for robotic probes, I'm all for it. > > If it is to send starry eyed space cadets farther than low Earth orbit, > it is a waste of money. > > Send hundreds of robots to Mars and scour every inch of it. But you'd need every one of them to have internal assay labs to analyze sample. Meanwhile Humans can cover larger areas and identify potential sources much more quickly. > > Is there actually any READILY available water? > > Are there any USEFULL mineral deposits? Did Europe know whether there were any USEFUL mineral deposits in the new world before colonizing here? (Granted, it was not the same situation, but it is analogous.) > > Where are they all located? Human explorers are likely to find the deposits much faster than remote robots. > > Until all the necessary resources to support an actual colony are > discovered, there is no reason to even talk about a colony on Mars. I am sure that was one of the arguments made in Europe before the first colonies were established in the new world. > > If and when the resources are located, then a research station could > be set up to evaluate the possible viability of a colony. Sorry, sometimes you have to take risks. Personally I think this project is a good idea. We have to leave the planet at some point. We should have to wait for interstellar spacecraft for that to happen. It will never be "safe". (Just make sure you are not the one wearing a red shirt. :) Actually nice discussing this with you.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 18:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7povcd-5ll.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #600416 |
edprochak@gmail.com wrote: > On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 2:16:07 PM UTC-4, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: >> > On 10/8/2016 9:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: >> >> On 10/2/2016 10:32 PM, Serigo wrote: >> >>> On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> >>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >> >>>>>>>>> Mars. >> > >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >> >>>>> wash clothes in space. >> >>> >> >>>> Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number >> >>>> of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't >> >>>> think it's a ploy; he's serious. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> just found out there is a bill in congress right now, for funding Mars >> >>> stuff, 16 billion >> >>> >> >>> that is why Musk is advertizing, to get more R&D Gov money. >> >> >> >> Musk needs to privately fund this. The USA is broke. >> >> >> >> Lynn >> >> >> >> >> > >> > the fix is in already, >> > >> > ted cruz introduced the bill for 16 Billion to congress to fund NASA for >> > Mars. >> > >> > your tax dollars going into *Musk's pockets* to support already know >> > "r+d" that cannot go anywhere. >> >> If it is for robotic probes, I'm all for it. >> >> If it is to send starry eyed space cadets farther than low Earth orbit, >> it is a waste of money. >> >> Send hundreds of robots to Mars and scour every inch of it. > > But you'd need every one of them to have internal assay labs to analyze > sample. Meanwhile Humans can cover larger areas and identify potential > sources much more quickly. Utter bull shit. Current probes already have internal assay labs and run 24/7 having no need to rest, eat, or sleep nor do they need to be constantly supplied with food, air, and water. >> Is there actually any READILY available water? >> >> Are there any USEFULL mineral deposits? > > Did Europe know whether there were any USEFUL mineral deposits in > the new world before colonizing here? Yes. There was air, food, and water. Some of the natives had gold. The availablity of lumber was obvious. Meat and fur from animals was obvious. > (Granted, it was not the same situation, but it is analogous.) No, it is not. >> Where are they all located? > > Human explorers are likely to find the deposits much faster than > remote robots. Nonsense. Besides being much faster, robots are orders of magnitude cheaper. >> Until all the necessary resources to support an actual colony are >> discovered, there is no reason to even talk about a colony on Mars. > > I am sure that was one of the arguments made in Europe before the > first colonies were established in the new world. Then you would be wrong. There were already people living in the New World, the Europeans knew there were people living in the New World, so obviously everything needed to live in the New World was there. >> If and when the resources are located, then a research station could >> be set up to evaluate the possible viability of a colony. > > Sorry, sometimes you have to take risks. Sure, but this isn't one of them as currently there is no benefit to going there. > Personally I think this project is a good idea. Great, you pay for it then. > We have to leave the planet at some point. Yes, in 4.5 to 5.5 billion years when the Sun burns out, which will also burn out for Mars. > We should have to wait for > interstellar spacecraft for that to happen. It will never be "safe". > (Just make sure you are not the one wearing a red shirt. :) I never said anything about "safe". > Actually nice discussing this with you. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 17:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <HkvKz.12807$KB2.2202@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #600085 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: > The USA is broke. > >Lynn > Easy fix. Recind the bush tax cuts. Tax capital gains at regular income tax rates. Limit annual capital loss offsets to 20% of annual income. Eliminated carried interest. Basically, back to where we were when the country _wasn't_ broke. Add new law stating that any offshore military excursion must be paid by raising taxes immediately, no borrowing allowed.
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 17:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nteeoa$jer$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600118 |
On 10/9/2016 12:43 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >> The USA is broke. >> >> Lynn >> > > Easy fix. Recind the bush tax cuts. Tax capital > gains at regular income tax rates. Limit annual capital > loss offsets to 20% of annual income. Eliminated carried interest. > > Basically, back to where we were when the country _wasn't_ > broke. > > Add new law stating that any offshore military excursion must be paid by raising > taxes immediately, no borrowing allowed. You wish that would meet the needs. Run the numbers. Lynn
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 18:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ntek8n$1oos$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #600118 |
On 10/9/2016 12:43 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: >> The USA is broke. >> >> Lynn >> > Easy fix. Recind the bush tax cuts. Tax capital > gains at regular income tax rates. Limit annual capital > loss offsets to 20% of annual income. Eliminated carried interest. > > Basically, back to where we were when the country _wasn't_ > broke. > > Add new law stating that any offshore military excursion must be paid by raising > taxes immediately, no borrowing allowed. > So you would put more of a persons hard earned money into the dirty hands of politicians ! and thanks to Obama and Hillary, US Dbet is $14,300,000,000,000 now you want to go spend more on a stupid pile of rocks and sand in a vacuum, Mars.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-09 21:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <57FB1DFA.4AED@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #600187 |
Serigo wrote: > > On 10/9/2016 12:43 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: > > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes: > >> The USA is broke. > >> > >> Lynn > >> > > > Easy fix. Recind the bush tax cuts. Tax capital > > gains at regular income tax rates. Limit annual capital > > loss offsets to 20% of annual income. Eliminated carried interest. > > > > Basically, back to where we were when the country _wasn't_ > > broke. > > > > Add new law stating that any offshore military excursion must be paid by raising > > taxes immediately, no borrowing allowed. > > > > So you would put more of a persons hard earned money into the dirty > hands of politicians ! > > and thanks to Obama and Hillary, US Dbet is $14,300,000,000,000 > > now you want to go spend more on a stupid pile of rocks and sand in a > vacuum, Mars. Most of the money goes into the yacht, not the rocks and sand... and cocaine for their children Here is the top con artist in the 'scientific community' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0gbYHDvzUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk0NXhEQXRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uexFwQGhsYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0rDFbrhjtI I challenge anyone to find one statement of truth coming from Craig...it's all con words if you listen carfully...
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-07 17:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nt979d$va8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #599013 |
On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in > news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: > >> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>> >>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d >>>>> ie .html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>>> >>>> >>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e >>>> xp >>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl >>>> ai ms.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>>> >>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions >>>> to >>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase >>>> This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in >>>> space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease >>>> in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space >>>> for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days >>>> These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly >>>> for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, >>>> cancer and more >>> >>> British 'journalism' at its best. >>> >>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >>> may drop to 30 as time went by. >>> >>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >>> >>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >>> obvious ones can be dealt with. >>> >>> pt >> >> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, >> right ? > > Wrong. > > http://www.spacex.com/mars > > pt Did you really watch that entire one hour video ? What did he say about propulsion ? Lynn
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 12:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5401139d-414a-4ad5-8cff-eb0f55efe062@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #599933 |
On Friday, October 7, 2016 at 3:23:59 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote: > On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in > > news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: > > > >> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > >>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in > >>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: > >>> > >>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says > >>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d > >>>>> ie .html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e > >>>> xp > >>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl > >>>> ai ms.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation > >>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims > >>>> > >>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions > >>>> to > >>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation > >>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase > >>>> This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in > >>>> space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease > >>>> in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space > >>>> for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days > >>>> These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly > >>>> for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, > >>>> cancer and more > >>> > >>> British 'journalism' at its best. > >>> > >>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and > >>> may drop to 30 as time went by. > >>> > >>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. > >>> > >>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the > >>> obvious ones can be dealt with. > >>> > >>> pt > >> > >> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, > >> right ? > > > > Wrong. > > > > http://www.spacex.com/mars > > > > pt > > Did you really watch that entire one hour video ? > > What did he say about propulsion ? > > Lynn I wonder if Elon Musk is willing to head up the expedition? Double-A
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-08 20:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <483ocd-smp.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #599988 |
Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote: <snip> > I wonder if Elon Musk is willing to head up the expedition? > > Double-A > Of course not, but I'm sure he is more than willing to accept any and all public funds. -- Jim Pennino
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