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Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says

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On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 9:36:13 PM UTC-4, Serigo wrote:
> On 10/13/2016 10:47 AM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
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> > [repling to JP
> > okay, you argue against solar on mars because of
> > "lots of dust storms."
> 
> that is what stops the Rover for months which is on Mars and solar powered

And then recovers when a "cleaning event" occurs.

> 
> > but then argue against wind power
> > because "the atmosphere is so thin".
> 
> it is only 1% of earth, not enough mass blowing to really generate a lot 
> of power, and does Mars have strong prevailing winds ?  think not.

Agree, both forms are likely to be intermittent.
> 
> >
> > Actually I am arguing that they might be able to harness
> > both forms of power. just as we need to do here.
> 
> they need power at night, and when the wind is blowing, so they must use 
> a nuk.   no need for wind power.  some solar may help but dust is a big 
> problem, how do you clean it with out water or personel or scratching it ?
> 
Every so often clean it with the equivalent of a leaf blower.
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> > Wind, solar. Boy you have very short term memory.
> 
> nope, they sound good, but not enough power during night. and wind is 
> too wimpy

So? Use multiple sources, {gasp} just like here on earth.
> 
> 
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> > So did you read the Musk plan at all?
> 
> yep, most all daydreams wo the engineering, no cost constraints
> 
So you know they do plan to send a lots of material initially,
until it becomes self sustaining.

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> >
> > What is it with the water fascination with you?
> > You never had a house with forced hot air for heating?
> 
> it is mass, the mass of the water carrys far more heat than air, higher 
> effeciency, etc.  Humans require a lot of water.

Sure, and if the water is available, that is the first choice.
JP was arguing there is little or no water available.
 
[water recycling equipment discussion]
> >
> > maybe the first few. Later they will make their own.
> > Again, did you not read the plan?
> 
> old news, space station has it

exactly. that part is not a problem.
> 
> >
> > Space station does not have the room. Mars will have room
> > for washing machines. Maybe not even water based. (ever had
> > your suit dry cleaned?)
> 
> dry cleaning is with fluids, they used to use carbontet, but that causes 
> cancer.  I saw a film from the early 50;s of people walking down into a 
> pool of carbontet, and back out again, all their clothes were cleaned.
> 
> but you cant have an air polutant on the station, therefore no dry cleaning.
> 

But we know how to contain such vapors.
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> >
> > Again the SHORT TERM memory is failing you. Molten Salt Reactors.
> > I even mentioned it again on the line below. just above you sig:
> 
> there are safer reactors, they would probably just scale up one like the 
> use to power deep spacecraft,  radioactive stuff heats up therompiles. 
> ultra reliable, lasts long time.

Yes, we agree that there are solutions

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Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-11 06:33 -0700
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