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| Started by | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| First post | 2015-11-09 02:20 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-11-10 15:58 +0000 |
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Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 02:20 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 20:25 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 02:43 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 20:54 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 09:20 -0800
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 12:58 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:23 -0800
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Herp Derpington" <invali@example.com> - 2015-11-09 19:42 -0800
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 05:36 -0800
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 02:46 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 03:21 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 18:44 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 17:12 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 23:35 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:22 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 03:51 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 20:02 -0700
Circus Alert.. Don't take the bait Fabian Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-08 22:11 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 21:12 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 04:22 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 21:50 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 05:13 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 22:38 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-16 18:59 +0000
Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-08 21:30 -0800
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 06:18 +0000
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 12:43 +0000
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 12:09 -0700
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:03 -0700
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-09 20:26 +0000
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:27 -0700
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 06:31 +0000
Fabian Russell is disabled. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-08 23:12 -0800
Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:03 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 03:12 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:04 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 12:39 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:01 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:04 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:18 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 21:01 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 16:08 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:35 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 13:54 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 20:54 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:13 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 17:17 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-09 23:24 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 17:36 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:37 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:32 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 13:04 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:30 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 18:44 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 03:58 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:38 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:18 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 15:15 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 10:49 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:25 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 12:45 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 22:30 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-10 17:37 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 18:04 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 01:30 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 18:59 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 03:15 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-11 07:22 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 10:20 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 21:32 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 14:51 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:13 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 23:17 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:28 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:38 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:40 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-12 23:24 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:33 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 10:57 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-13 12:21 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 12:26 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-13 14:57 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 17:04 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-13 07:25 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 11:48 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 17:09 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 20:39 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 15:43 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 21:30 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-16 09:27 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 22:18 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-16 09:29 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:39 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 10:55 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:26 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:26 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:42 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 16:06 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 23:25 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-12 23:36 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:46 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:35 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:54 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:53 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 17:40 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:37 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:40 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 18:01 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 01:29 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 18:47 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:29 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 19:34 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 21:45 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 21:03 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:26 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 19:35 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:51 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 22:00 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 03:36 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 22:41 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 20:00 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 03:18 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 01:49 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 10:27 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 11:15 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-13 11:30 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 11:32 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:25 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 12:27 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:41 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 12:40 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:47 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 12:52 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:06 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 10:25 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 10:28 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 11:52 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:02 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 12:15 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 21:44 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 10:24 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-14 01:01 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 20:08 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 20:17 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 02:07 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-09 21:48 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 14:23 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:25 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 14:37 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:41 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 21:07 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:05 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:48 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:20 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 15:18 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:29 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:28 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 12:46 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:36 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 18:32 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:39 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 18:46 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:09 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:47 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:21 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 14:48 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 10:34 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 18:27 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:31 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 20:51 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:21 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 21:49 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 15:12 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:48 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:14 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:47 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:33 -0700
GhostScipt works well on Windows. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-09 16:09 -0800
Re: GhostScipt works well on Windows. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 19:54 -0500
Re: GhostScipt works well on Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:49 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-11 09:42 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 13:29 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-11 13:08 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 16:58 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:43 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:18 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:46 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:49 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:48 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 04:56 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 22:15 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 05:27 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 22:43 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-08 22:16 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 04:26 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-09 07:31 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 10:14 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 18:02 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 12:15 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:06 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 14:13 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-09 06:13 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 12:32 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 11:38 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-09 07:51 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 18:05 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:52 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:00 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 12:17 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:07 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-09 21:46 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 14:26 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:52 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-10 02:54 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:51 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 10:27 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-10 06:52 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 13:21 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-10 07:39 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:55 -0700
Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-10 07:12 -0600
Re: Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-10 08:22 -0500
Re: Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-11 09:27 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:58 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-10 22:01 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 23:15 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:38 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 00:45 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-11 14:15 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 18:10 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 10:05 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-11 11:20 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 13:27 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 10:36 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 22:58 +0100
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:15 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-11 06:15 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:37 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 09:31 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:55 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:54 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 21:14 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:53 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-10 18:00 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:39 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-11 18:00 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-11 20:02 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-12 09:22 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:43 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-12 18:07 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-13 07:35 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:58 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:57 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 07:30 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-14 12:18 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 22:09 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-14 20:12 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-15 03:31 +0000
To dvus. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 11:40 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-15 10:46 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 11:38 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-16 14:47 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-16 20:26 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-16 14:43 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-16 14:19 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 15:38 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 15:37 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-17 05:30 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-17 14:57 -0700
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-17 20:04 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 08:14 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:56 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 11:25 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:30 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 16:21 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:37 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-10 18:08 -0500
Fabian_Russell isn't all there. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-09 10:31 -0800
Re: Fabian_Russell isn't all there. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 19:15 +0000
Re: Fabian_Russell isn't all there. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 16:23 -0600
Re: Fabian_Russell isn't all there. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 22:35 +0000
Re: Fabian_Russell isn't all there. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:41 -0500
Re: Fabian_Russell isn't all there. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:39 -0500
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 18:40 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 17:05 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Apollyon <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:14 -0800
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 17:36 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 00:07 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 23:53 +0000
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:53 -0600
Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 15:58 +0000
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-10 12:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D267974E.63771%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #531850 |
On 11/10/15, 12:25 PM, in article
IL6dnVVMe4wi2d_LnZ2dnUU7-U2dnZ2d@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <cumulus@mist.com>
wrote:
> On 11/09/15 20:58, Fabian Russell wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 18:44:51 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The value of a tool is what it does. Linux does MANY things great... but it
>>> does not compete well on the desktop.
>>>
>>
>> Sayeth whom?
>
> Sayeth Linus Torvalds.
Here are a list of quotes from him many cult-like followers of Stallman tend
to disagree with. I suspect Fabian Russell would not be happy with most.
Linus Torvalds:
-----
Any program is only as good as it is useful.
-----
I never felt that the naming issue was all that important,
but I was obviously wrong, judging by how many people felt. I
tell people to call it just plain Linux and nothing more.
-----
I'm generally a very pragmatic person: that which works,
works.
-----
In many cases, the user interface to a program is the most
important part for a commercial company: whether the programs
works correctly or not seems to be secondary.
-----
Microsoft isn't evil
-----
An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would
never make a good program.
-----
Anybody who tells me I can't use a program because it's not
open source, go suck on rms. I'm not interested. 99% of that
I run tends to be open source, but that's my choice, dammit.
-----
... even if the Hurd didn't depend on Linux code (and as far
as I know, it does, but since I think they have their design
heads firmly up their *sses anyway with that whole
microkernel thing, I've never felt it was worth my time even
looking at their code), I don't believe a religiously
motivated development community can ever generate as good
code except by pure chance.
-----
Your problem has nothing to do with git, and everything to do
with emacs. And then you have the gall to talk about "Unix
design" and not gumming programs together, when you yourself
use the most gummed-up piece of absolute sh*t there is!
-----
I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same
time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease.
-----
There are "extremists" in the free software world, but that's
one major reason why I don't call what I do "free software"
any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for
whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
-----
Let's put it this way: if you need to ask a lawyer whether
what you do is "right" or not, you are morally corrupt. Let's
not go there. We don't base our morality on law.
-----
And comments from other big names in the open source world:
Mark Shuttleworth:
-----
I think we don't yet deliver a good enough user experience. I
think we deliver a user experience for people that have a
reason to want to be on the Linux platform, either because of
price or because of freedom. If that was your primary reason,
Linux is the right answer.
But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price,
who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can
say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And
that's something we have to change, that's something I'm
committed to work on, focusing increasing amounts of
resources of Canonical on figuring out on how we actually
move the desktop experience forward to compete with Mac OS X.
...
Second thing is, we just can't do this only on GNOME or just
on KDE, we need to figure out on how to move the whole Linux
desktop platform forward. I suspect if we hire a bunch of
upstream developers they will be across both GNOME and KDE.
I think the Apple guys have a very good point when they say
we should let designers lead the definition of the user
experience.
-----
But I see the lack of consistency as both a weakness (GNOME,
OpenOffice and Firefox all have different UI toolkits, and
it¹s very difficult to make them seamless) and as a strength
- people are free to innovate, and the results are
world-leading.
-----
Jim Zemlin:
-----
Yeah, their stuff's pretty good. [points at a MacBook Air]
That's a pretty sweet laptop there. That's the difference. I
get asked a lot, "Why does Apple get a bye?" from the open
source guys. When you're downstairs I'm sure you'll see a lot
more Macs. The reason why they get a bit more of a bye is
because the stuff is really innovative. It's not the stuff
where you say "Not only is it crap but..."
-----
I'll tell you who's great with the desktop market, it's those
guys, Apple, with I think more than 20 per cent share. But if
you look at things like the Kindle Fire, Android, the
ChromeBook, at all the alternative means of accessing what's
important and what you probably spend 90 per cent of your
time doing, accessing the internet through a web browser,
then I think there's plenty of room for a Linux desktop
there.
-----
| What's one application would you like to see for Linux
| that doesn't exist currently?
iTunes. And Microsoft Office.
-----
Open source is a development methodology, and choice is not
guaranteed by a development methodology."
-----
One of the big things that's difficult is consistency, and
that's Window's biggest strength.
-----
This certification lab will increase the number of Linux
applications and ensure that Linux does not fragment.
-----
As the standards are provided and then adopted, the Linux
desktop will snowball. Microsoft can compete with a Sun, a
Red Hat or a Novell, but they won't be able to compete with
an ecosystem of Linux desktops...
-----
What our standards will do is enable desktop application
vendors to easily target the Linux ecosystem, not just a
single vendor, to make sure they run across all the different
distributions...
-----
[The new LSB desktop group will be dealing with more than
just KDE and GNOME issues though. It will be dealing with]
all issues dealing with interoperability, ... everyone at the
table, and motivated to make the Linux desktop a success,
everyone will be seeking a consensus. This may not [mean]
making developers choose between KDE and GNOME, but instead
finding a way to make it easier for ISVs to create
applications that can easily work with both.
-----
>> I've been using Linux on MY desktop since 1998 for a variety of purposes,
>> including but not limited to document production, image/video/sound
>> processing,
>> CD/DVD/Blu-ray burning, scientific computing, programming, HTML editing, etc.
>>
>> My MS Windows boxen are mere paperweights (and to fool the cops).
>>
>> Whoever DOESN'T use Linux is a brain-dead fool.
>>
>
> Guffaw!!!
>
>
--
* OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-10 22:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.10.22.30.09@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #531861 |
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:45:02 -0700, Snit wrote: > > And comments from other big names in the open source world: > > Mark Shuttleworth: > Since when is this cheap gossip monger considered a "big name?" This loser couldn't tell a logic gate from a byte from a rat hole in the ground.
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| From | "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-10 17:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n1trfq$lv5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #531907 |
"Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message news:pan.2015.11.10.22.30.09@localhost.localdomain... > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:45:02 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> And comments from other big names in the open source world: >> >> Mark Shuttleworth: >> > > Since when is this cheap gossip monger considered a "big name?" > > This loser couldn't tell a logic gate from a byte from a rat hole > in the ground. > So in other words he is orders of magnitude smarter than you'll ever be. -- "Internally, Microsoft still uses the former 8.3 filename notation because nothing else will work. The more "liberal" file naming convention is just a cosmetic cover." Idiotic nonsense from Fabian Russell Nov 9, 2015 - <pan.2015.11.09.18.05.31@localhost.localdomain>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-10 18:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D267E217.63838%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #531907 |
On 11/10/15, 3:30 PM, in article pan.2015.11.10.22.30.09@localhost.localdomain, "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:45:02 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> And comments from other big names in the open source world: >> >> Mark Shuttleworth: >> > > Since when is this cheap gossip monger considered a "big name?" > > This loser couldn't tell a logic gate from a byte from a rat hole > in the ground. > OK, so you have no idea who Mark Shuttleworth is or why he is a big name in the open source community. Wow. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-11 01:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.11.01.28.57@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #531964 |
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:04:07 -0700, Snit wrote: >> > OK, so you have no idea who Mark Shuttleworth is or why he is a big name in > the open source community. Wow. > Oops. My first error in this thread. I was thinking of Zuckerberg. But I admit I do not know Shuttleworth. I am not a fan of personalities.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-10 18:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D267EEF7.6385E%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #531977 |
On 11/10/15, 6:30 PM, in article
pan.2015.11.11.01.28.57@localhost.localdomain, "Fabian Russell"
<root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:04:07 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>>>
>> OK, so you have no idea who Mark Shuttleworth is or why he is a big name in
>> the open source community. Wow.
>>
>
> Oops. My first error in this thread.
>
> I was thinking of Zuckerberg. But I admit I do not know Shuttleworth.
>
> I am not a fan of personalities.
>
>
Shuttleworth is the man behind Ubuntu. Curious of your views on his quotes
and the others I provided:
Linus Torvalds:
-----
Any program is only as good as it is useful.
-----
I never felt that the naming issue was all that important,
but I was obviously wrong, judging by how many people felt. I
tell people to call it just plain Linux and nothing more.
-----
I'm generally a very pragmatic person: that which works,
works.
-----
In many cases, the user interface to a program is the most
important part for a commercial company: whether the programs
works correctly or not seems to be secondary.
-----
Microsoft isn't evil
-----
An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would
never make a good program.
-----
Anybody who tells me I can't use a program because it's not
open source, go suck on rms. I'm not interested. 99% of that
I run tends to be open source, but that's my choice, dammit.
-----
... even if the Hurd didn't depend on Linux code (and as far
as I know, it does, but since I think they have their design
heads firmly up their *sses anyway with that whole
microkernel thing, I've never felt it was worth my time even
looking at their code), I don't believe a religiously
motivated development community can ever generate as good
code except by pure chance.
-----
Your problem has nothing to do with git, and everything to do
with emacs. And then you have the gall to talk about "Unix
design" and not gumming programs together, when you yourself
use the most gummed-up piece of absolute sh*t there is!
-----
I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same
time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease.
-----
There are "extremists" in the free software world, but that's
one major reason why I don't call what I do "free software"
any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for
whom it's about exclusion and hatred.
-----
Let's put it this way: if you need to ask a lawyer whether
what you do is "right" or not, you are morally corrupt. Let's
not go there. We don't base our morality on law.
-----
Mark Shuttleworth:
-----
I think we don't yet deliver a good enough user experience. I
think we deliver a user experience for people that have a
reason to want to be on the Linux platform, either because of
price or because of freedom. If that was your primary reason,
Linux is the right answer.
But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price,
who is not too concerned about freedom, I don't think we can
say the Linux desktop offers the very best experience. And
that's something we have to change, that's something I'm
committed to work on, focusing increasing amounts of
resources of Canonical on figuring out on how we actually
move the desktop experience forward to compete with Mac OS X.
...
Second thing is, we just can't do this only on GNOME or just
on KDE, we need to figure out on how to move the whole Linux
desktop platform forward. I suspect if we hire a bunch of
upstream developers they will be across both GNOME and KDE.
I think the Apple guys have a very good point when they say
we should let designers lead the definition of the user
experience.
-----
But I see the lack of consistency as both a weakness (GNOME,
OpenOffice and Firefox all have different UI toolkits, and
it¹s very difficult to make them seamless) and as a strength
- people are free to innovate, and the results are
world-leading.
-----
Jim Zemlin:
-----
Yeah, their stuff's pretty good. [points at a MacBook Air]
That's a pretty sweet laptop there. That's the difference. I
get asked a lot, "Why does Apple get a bye?" from the open
source guys. When you're downstairs I'm sure you'll see a lot
more Macs. The reason why they get a bit more of a bye is
because the stuff is really innovative. It's not the stuff
where you say "Not only is it crap but..."
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I'll tell you who's great with the desktop market, it's those
guys, Apple, with I think more than 20 per cent share. But if
you look at things like the Kindle Fire, Android, the
ChromeBook, at all the alternative means of accessing what's
important and what you probably spend 90 per cent of your
time doing, accessing the internet through a web browser,
then I think there's plenty of room for a Linux desktop
there.
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| What's one application would you like to see for Linux
| that doesn't exist currently?
iTunes. And Microsoft Office.
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Open source is a development methodology, and choice is not
guaranteed by a development methodology."
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One of the big things that's difficult is consistency, and
that's Window's biggest strength.
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This certification lab will increase the number of Linux
applications and ensure that Linux does not fragment.
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As the standards are provided and then adopted, the Linux
desktop will snowball. Microsoft can compete with a Sun, a
Red Hat or a Novell, but they won't be able to compete with
an ecosystem of Linux desktops...
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What our standards will do is enable desktop application
vendors to easily target the Linux ecosystem, not just a
single vendor, to make sure they run across all the different
distributions...
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[The new LSB desktop group will be dealing with more than
just KDE and GNOME issues though. It will be dealing with]
all issues dealing with interoperability, ... everyone at the
table, and motivated to make the Linux desktop a success,
everyone will be seeking a consensus. This may not [mean]
making developers choose between KDE and GNOME, but instead
finding a way to make it easier for ISVs to create
applications that can easily work with both.
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 03:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.11.03.16.12@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #531988 |
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:59:03 -0700, Snit wrote: > Curious of your views on his quotes > and the others I provided: > Sorry, I am not concerned with out-of-context quips by personages that have largely been created by media. But Linus is certainly a man after my own heart. I recall that recently he railed against the notion of a "virtual machine" stating that real men prefer real hardware. Oh yes! I am truly sickened by these aficionados of all things virtual, from machines to containers. Although I suppose that virtual machines have their uses they simply grate at my soul. I would not even consider doing anything virtual. I have cut my teeth on assembly language. Once that fundamental stuff gets into your blood it never gets out.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-11 07:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gh48.apfa3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #532006 |
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:59:03 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> Curious of your views on his quotes >> and the others I provided: >> > > Sorry, I am not concerned with out-of-context quips by personages that > have largely been created by media. > > But Linus is certainly a man after my own heart. I recall that recently > he railed against the notion of a "virtual machine" stating that real > men prefer real hardware. > > Oh yes! I am truly sickened by these aficionados of all things > virtual, from machines to containers. Although I suppose that virtual > machines have their uses they simply grate at my soul. I would not even > consider doing anything virtual. > > I have cut my teeth on assembly language. Once that fundamental stuff > gets into your blood it never gets out. > Nothing stopping you from using assembler in a VM.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-12 10:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D26A1872.639FC%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #532006 |
On 11/10/15, 8:15 PM, in article pan.2015.11.11.03.16.12@localhost.localdomain, "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:59:03 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> Curious of your views on his quotes >> and the others I provided: >> > > Sorry, I am not concerned with out-of-context quips by personages that > have largely been created by media. Comes down to I am correct - most of those comments from big names in Linux / open source are very different from your views. Which is fine. :) > But Linus is certainly a man after my own heart. I recall that recently > he railed against the notion of a "virtual machine" stating that real > men prefer real hardware. He also says a lot of things you disagree with - again, fine... I do not agree with all he says either. > Oh yes! I am truly sickened by these aficionados of all things > virtual, from machines to containers. Although I suppose that virtual > machines have their uses they simply grate at my soul. I would not even > consider doing anything virtual. Virtual machines can be great tools... but don't use them if you do not want. > I have cut my teeth on assembly language. Once that fundamental stuff > gets into your blood it never gets out. How do you think this is relevant? -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 21:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.12.21.31.10@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #532334 |
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:20:34 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> I have cut my teeth on assembly language. Once that fundamental stuff >> gets into your blood it never gets out. > > How do you think this is relevant? > It is relevant because the whole fscking world seemed to have fallen madly in love with Object Oriented programming, and I happen to despise OO with a raging passion. I have examined the issue deeply, and I can only conclude that OO is so fscking popular because people no longer can comprehend hardware. They are lost in the fogs of lofty OO abstractions and cannot perceive the machine. But for me it is quite different. I BEGAN with hardware and assembly language. I BEGAN with an intimate involvement with hardware. As a result I can see nothing but the machine. Oh yes, I can understand all the abstractions but, for me, such abstractions quickly fade into nothing against the blazing image of the machine. When I encounter high level code of any kind, my mind cannot help but to plunge immediately down into the assembly code that underlies it all. Thus, as a consequence, I do not not especially favor the creation of ever higher abstractions that serve only to obliterate and not truly enlighten. It is, I suppose a sickness, but it is a sickness from which no escape, or cure, is possible.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 14:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D26A57E1.63AA6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #532471 |
On 11/12/15, 2:32 PM, in article pan.2015.11.12.21.31.10@localhost.localdomain, "Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:20:34 -0700, Snit wrote: > >>>> Curious of your views on his quotes and the others I provided: >>>> >>> >>> Sorry, I am not concerned with out-of-context quips by personages that have >>> largely been created by media. >>> >> Comes down to I am correct - most of those comments from big names in Linux / >> open source are very different from your views. Which is fine. :) >> >>> But Linus is certainly a man after my own heart. I recall that recently he >>> railed against the notion of a "virtual machine" stating that real men >>> prefer real hardware. >>> >> He also says a lot of things you disagree with - again, fine... I do not >> agree with all he says either. >> >>> Oh yes! I am truly sickened by these aficionados of all things virtual, >>> from machines to containers. Although I suppose that virtual machines have >>> their uses they simply grate at my soul. I would not even consider doing >>> anything virtual. >>> >> Virtual machines can be great tools... but don't use them if you do not want. >> >>> I have cut my teeth on assembly language. Once that fundamental stuff gets >>> into your blood it never gets out. >>> >> How do you think this is relevant? > > It is relevant because the whole fscking world seemed to have fallen > madly in love with Object Oriented programming, and I happen to despise > OO with a raging passion. The topic had nothing to do with programming. > I have examined the issue deeply, and I can only conclude that OO > is so fscking popular because people no longer can comprehend > hardware. They are lost in the fogs of lofty OO abstractions and > cannot perceive the machine. Why do you use assembly and not machine code? You are using an abstraction, too. > But for me it is quite different. I BEGAN with hardware and assembly > language. I BEGAN with an intimate involvement with hardware. As > a result I can see nothing but the machine. Oh yes, I can understand > all the abstractions but, for me, such abstractions quickly fade into > nothing against the blazing image of the machine. I do not deny your lack of understanding of the value of higher level languages and the benefits they offer. > When I encounter high level code of any kind, my mind cannot help > but to plunge immediately down into the assembly code that underlies > it all. Thus, as a consequence, I do not not especially favor > the creation of ever higher abstractions that serve only to > obliterate and not truly enlighten. So you have a weakness when dealing with code. OK. > It is, I suppose a sickness, but it is a sickness from which no > escape, or cure, is possible. Fair enough... I wish you well. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 22:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.12.22.12.15@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #532477 |
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:51:13 -0700, Snit wrote: > > Why do you use assembly and not machine code? You are using an abstraction, > too. > No, it is not an abstraction. Assembly code is a MNEMONIC, in the same way that a web address is a MNEMONIC for IPv4 dotted quad notation (i.e. xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx). Actually I do, or did, use machine code, if machine code is meant to be the actual binary numeric vales used to indicate instructions to the processor. Using machine code can be a fun experience, because the actual binary values have regular patterns within instruction families. Once these pattens are recognized, it becomes easy to rapidly plug those values into memory. With practice, writing assembly code can be a very fast process, and also even MUCH EASIER than crafting high level code. This is because there are no crazy syntax issues to deal with or remember. > > So you have a weakness when dealing with code. OK. > No. It is actually a strength. But the world fails to recognize it as such. Such misapprehension has occurred throughout human history. > > Fair enough... I wish you well. > No, you don't. But be assured that my attitude toward you is not reciprocated. (I am NOT a nice person and never will be.)
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-12 23:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n2331l$sid$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #532492 |
Fabian Russell wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:51:13 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> >> Why do you use assembly and not machine code? You are using an >> abstraction, too. >> > > No, it is not an abstraction. Assembly code is a MNEMONIC, in the > same way that a web address is a MNEMONIC for IPv4 dotted quad notation > (i.e. xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx). > > Actually I do, or did, use machine code, if machine code is meant > to be the actual binary numeric vales used to indicate instructions > to the processor. > > Using machine code can be a fun experience, because the actual binary > values have regular patterns within instruction families. Once these > pattens are recognized, it becomes easy to rapidly plug those values > into memory. > > With practice, writing assembly code can be a very fast process, > and also even MUCH EASIER than crafting high level code. This > is because there are no crazy syntax issues to deal with or > remember. Bullshit. I have written assembler code several years. It has its place, even now. But it is idiotic to even imply it might be used instead of high- level languages. Especially OO languages
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 15:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D26A60B6.63ABB%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #532498 |
On 11/12/15, 3:17 PM, in article n2331l$sid$4@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Fabian Russell wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:51:13 -0700, Snit wrote: >> >>> >>> Why do you use assembly and not machine code? You are using an >>> abstraction, too. >>> >> >> No, it is not an abstraction. Assembly code is a MNEMONIC, in the >> same way that a web address is a MNEMONIC for IPv4 dotted quad notation >> (i.e. xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx). >> >> Actually I do, or did, use machine code, if machine code is meant >> to be the actual binary numeric vales used to indicate instructions >> to the processor. >> >> Using machine code can be a fun experience, because the actual binary >> values have regular patterns within instruction families. Once these >> pattens are recognized, it becomes easy to rapidly plug those values >> into memory. >> >> With practice, writing assembly code can be a very fast process, >> and also even MUCH EASIER than crafting high level code. This >> is because there are no crazy syntax issues to deal with or >> remember. > > Bullshit. I have written assembler code several years. It has its place, > even now. But it is idiotic to even imply it might be used instead of high- > level languages. Especially OO languages For once you make a reasonable statement. Some of your comments about politics / religion have also been reasonable. Amazing. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 22:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.12.22.38.05@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #532498 |
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:17:35 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > > But it is idiotic to even imply ... > It is idiotic only to an idiot.
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| From | Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 18:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <n237sv$lgb$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #532510 |
On 2015-11-12 5:38 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:17:35 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > >> >> But it is idiotic to even imply ... >> > > It is idiotic only to an idiot. And Peter the Klöwn is definitely that. -- Slimer
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-12 23:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fdsau03.fa0@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #532498 |
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > Fabian Russell wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:51:13 -0700, Snit wrote: >> >>> >>> Why do you use assembly and not machine code? You are using an >>> abstraction, too. >>> >> >> No, it is not an abstraction. Assembly code is a MNEMONIC, in the >> same way that a web address is a MNEMONIC for IPv4 dotted quad notation >> (i.e. xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx). >> >> Actually I do, or did, use machine code, if machine code is meant >> to be the actual binary numeric vales used to indicate instructions >> to the processor. >> >> Using machine code can be a fun experience, because the actual binary >> values have regular patterns within instruction families. Once these >> pattens are recognized, it becomes easy to rapidly plug those values >> into memory. >> >> With practice, writing assembly code can be a very fast process, >> and also even MUCH EASIER than crafting high level code. This >> is because there are no crazy syntax issues to deal with or >> remember. > > Bullshit. I have written assembler code several years. It has its place, > even now. But it is idiotic to even imply it might be used instead of high- > level languages. Especially OO languages Doesn't 7 use it to optimize SQL queries?
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-11-13 00:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.11.13.00.34.17@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #532533 |
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:24:57 +0000, owl wrote: > > Doesn't 7 use it to optimize SQL queries? > Do you speak of that junk known as LINQ, or language integrated query, that is a part of Microsoft .NET?
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-13 10:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n24fhl$30h$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #532568 |
On 13/11/2015 00:33, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:24:57 +0000, owl wrote: > >> >> Doesn't 7 use it to optimize SQL queries? >> > > Do you speak of that junk known as LINQ, or language integrated > query, that is a part of Microsoft .NET? > > Ah you mean that Microsoft Language that the leading Linux distributor (Red Hat) is falling over backwards to include support for?
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-11-13 12:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n24gvc$9ds$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #532688 |
Desk Rabbit wrote: > On 13/11/2015 00:33, Fabian Russell wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:24:57 +0000, owl wrote: >> >>> >>> Doesn't 7 use it to optimize SQL queries? >>> >> >> Do you speak of that junk known as LINQ, or language integrated >> query, that is a part of Microsoft .NET? >> >> > > Ah you mean that Microsoft Language that the leading Linux distributor > (Red Hat) is falling over backwards to include support for? It is somewhat different. MS needs linux support for its cloud
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