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| Started by | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-22 21:13 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-01-27 11:33 -0800 |
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The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 21:13 -0800
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-23 16:34 +1100
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 21:42 -0800
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-23 23:34 +1100
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-23 14:35 +0000
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 07:49 -0800
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 10:00 -0600
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 08:43 -0800
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 10:47 -0500
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-28 17:13 +1100
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 08:04 -0800
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 10:22 -0800
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 13:31 -0600
Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-27 11:33 -0800
| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-22 21:13 -0800 |
| Subject | The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <d3818c2b-500c-4b83-9e58-b53343b313b0@googlegroups.com> |
Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]
8:13 PM (46 minutes ago)
This thread seems to have run its course. The basic thermodynamics
of water in its various phases is well-understood, and no substantive
arguments to the contrary have emerged. After discussion between the
moderators, we have therefore unanamously agreed to close this thread.
ciao,
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-- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" <jth...@astro.indiana-zebra.edu>
Dept of Astronomy & IUCSS, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA
"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched
at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police
plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable
that they watched everybody all the time." -- George Orwell, "1984"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.research/QOxLdbhLwQ0/TVKql-ReCQAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.research/QOxLdbhLwQ0/0k78tLsACgAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.research/QOxLdbhLwQ0/7mheNz66CwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.research/QOxLdbhLwQ0/7mheNz66CwAJ
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 16:34 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <dgghmdFebdqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #547402 |
On 23/01/2016 4:13 PM, James McGinn wrote: > Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply] > > 8:13 PM (46 minutes ago) > > > This thread seems to have run its course. The basic thermodynamics > of water in its various phases is well-understood, and no substantive > arguments to the contrary have emerged. After discussion between the > moderators, we have therefore unanamously agreed to close this thread. > > ciao, > They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense. There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need. Sylvia.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-22 21:42 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <f135f0fd-4bed-4d30-af6e-09629c7862b2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #547406 |
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote: > They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense. > There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need. It is because I am a "denier" of global warming.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 23:34 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <dghaa4Fk8vhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #547409 |
On 23/01/2016 4:42 PM, James McGinn wrote: > On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote: > >> They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense. >> There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need. > > It is because I am a "denier" of global warming. > I don't see how you can know that. There are many plausible reasons for their having silenced you. Sylvia.
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| From | R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 14:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <n80333$ejg$1@odin.sdf-eu.org> |
| In reply to | #547452 |
Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote: > On 23/01/2016 4:42 PM, James McGinn wrote: >> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense. >>> There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need. >> It is because I am a "denier" of global warming. > I don't see how you can know that. There are many plausible reasons for > their having silenced you. > Sylvia. Certainly if someone had a theory of water vapor that proposed nanoparticles of water that normal theory argues should vaporize because of surface tension or that predicted the pressure of steam was 1/20th of what had been understood for 200y and then *also* was a known rabid multi-nym denier of the existence of GHG and suchlike, it might tend to make me think twice about even passing something on for review even if it didn't seem to be word salad or had a Baez index of 10,000. -- Crank HOWTO It's easy to be a crank. Just follow these simple guidelines and remember, you're never wrong. No matter what. Step one: Develop a wacky idea. Step two: Disseminate your idea Step three: (Not) Responding to Criticism Step four: Get Persecuted! -- Mark Hoofnagle, http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/about.php
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 07:49 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <25d1c329-e18f-4fac-990a-8a0efbe4d129@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #547471 |
Don't worry about it, James. Wiki wouldn't accept my Benzene model as a representation http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF So fuck em
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 10:00 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <VIadnaT8q_w8Pj7LnZ2dnUU7-QcAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #547497 |
On 1/23/16 9:49 AM, john wrote: > Don't worry about it, James. > Wiki wouldn't accept my Benzene > model as a representation > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF > So fuck em Best laugh I've had all morning, John! -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 08:43 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <d841b889-26aa-423e-8a18-41a02130142c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #547497 |
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 7:49:19 AM UTC-8, john wrote: > Don't worry about it, James. > Wiki wouldn't accept my Benzene > model as a representation > http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/BenzeneE.GIF > So fuck em We are living in times when pathological science has become normal as long as it appeals to the lowest common denominator of the internet science consumer. And they is as dumb as dumb can get.
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-23 10:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <jgNoy.128062$Bz5.81782@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #547452 |
On 01/23/2016 07:34 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23/01/2016 4:42 PM, James McGinn wrote:
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>
>>> They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense.
>>> There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need.
>>
>> It is because I am a "denier" of global warming.
>>
>
> I don't see how you can know that. There are many plausible reasons for
> their having silenced you.
>
> Sylvia.
People aren't silenced for saying stupid things. They aren't silenced
for saying things that are wrong or lies. This much is obvious. They are
silenced for saying things that go directly against the basic dogma of
modern science. Warming denying is clearly one of those. Of course
discussing any "forbidden topic" is equally effective. I got banned for
life as a "crank" for just MENTIONING the theory of uniformity and
nobody even accepts it anymore!
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-01-28 17:13 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <dgtps0Fpms6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #547495 |
On 24/01/2016 2:47 AM, benj wrote: > On 01/23/2016 07:34 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 23/01/2016 4:42 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> >>>> They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense. >>>> There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need. >>> >>> It is because I am a "denier" of global warming. >>> >> >> I don't see how you can know that. There are many plausible reasons for >> their having silenced you. >> >> Sylvia. > > People aren't silenced for saying stupid things. They aren't silenced > for saying things that are wrong or lies. This much is obvious. They are > silenced for saying things that go directly against the basic dogma of > modern science. Warming denying is clearly one of those. Of course > discussing any "forbidden topic" is equally effective. I got banned for > life as a "crank" for just MENTIONING the theory of uniformity and > nobody even accepts it anymore! In a moderated group, people can just get tired of the noise. Sylvia.
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-30 08:04 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <6de9feaf-75f1-4513-aeca-d4d7a14d0524@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #548729 |
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 10:13:25 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 24/01/2016 2:47 AM, benj wrote: > > On 01/23/2016 07:34 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: > >> On 23/01/2016 4:42 PM, James McGinn wrote: > >>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> > >>>> They just don't want your cluttering up their newsgroup with nonsense. > >>>> There are plenty of other places to spout, if you feel the need. > >>> > >>> It is because I am a "denier" of global warming. > >>> > >> > >> I don't see how you can know that. There are many plausible reasons for > >> their having silenced you. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > People aren't silenced for saying stupid things. They aren't silenced > > for saying things that are wrong or lies. This much is obvious. They are > > silenced for saying things that go directly against the basic dogma of > > modern science. Warming denying is clearly one of those. Of course > > discussing any "forbidden topic" is equally effective. I got banned for > > life as a "crank" for just MENTIONING the theory of uniformity and > > nobody even accepts it anymore! > > In a moderated group, people can just get tired of the noise. > > Sylvia.
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| From | Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-25 10:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2392eb71-b8d2-4a0d-af3d-ff9746a50964@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #547402 |
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: hkuhku
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-25 13:31 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: The Thought Police Have Declared Water "Well Understood." -- Politics of Water Science -- |
| Message-ID | <n85t5s$1pib$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #548049 |
On 1/25/2016 12:22 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: > On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > hkuhku > Have you ever watched a cat take a dump on the carpet and then obsessively paw the carpet to cover the shit up? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-27 11:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7e4722cb-5fc8-4886-bfd9-dc17ec8ee008@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #547402 |
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 9:13:12 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote: > Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply] > > 8:13 PM (46 minutes ago) > > > This thread seems to have run its course.
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