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  Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-20 22:22 -0800
    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-20 23:03 -0800
      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-12-21 14:05 -0500
        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Darleen Sloop <aolenD@nedfdealln.org> - 2016-12-21 20:32 +0000
        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-21 22:25 +0000
          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 18:03 -0500
            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 15:37 -0700
              Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-25 08:25 -0600
          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 18:33 -0800
          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 19:06 -0800
            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 20:37 -0800
        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 14:43 -0700
          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 19:05 -0800
            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 20:56 -0700
              Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 20:01 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 20:41 -0800
                  Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 22:55 -0700
                    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 22:01 -0800
                      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 23:17 -0700
                        Re: We're robots, programmed by Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game". moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-12-22 21:44 +0000
                        Re: We're robots, programmed by Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game". Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-24 08:17 -0800
                        Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old. "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 14:12 -0800
                          Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-20 19:00 -0500
                          Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-20 18:08 -0800
                          Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old. Yuri Kretin <invalaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-20 20:31 -0600
                      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:06 -0700
                  Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 22:45 -0700
                  Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 21:47 -0800
                    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 23:05 -0700
                      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 08:42 -0800
                        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:09 -0700
                          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 09:15 -0800
                            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:32 -0700
                              Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 09:37 -0800
                                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 10:25 -0700
                                  Gutless whining (was Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 10:29 -0800
                        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 09:36 -0800
                      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:07 -0700
                        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:33 -0800
                          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-22 17:42 -0500
                            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 16:37 -0800
                              Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-23 18:11 -0500
                                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 14:43 -0800
                                  Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-26 18:04 -0800
                    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:07 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
              Gutless whining Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 09:12 -0800
                Re: Gutless whining Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:32 -0700
              Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 09:20 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:33 -0700
                  Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 13:43 -0800
                    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 14:04 -0700
        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 18:29 -0800
      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 23:08 -0800
        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 09:37 -0800
          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 20:35 -0800
            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 20:59 -0800
              Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-24 10:28 -0800
          Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 14:52 -0800
            Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-26 17:57 -0800
    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 13:36 -0800
      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-21 18:02 -0500
      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-21 15:33 -0800
    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-12-24 07:57 -0500

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#610270 — Re: We're robots, programmed by Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game".

"Jeff-Relf.Me"  wrote in message 
news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.22--3.10A.Seattle.2016...

Virgil wrote: > Until we know a good deal more about how life came into 
existence, > or could have come into existence, than we know now, any such 
speculaton > re its having come into existence elsewhere is purely a mugs 
game. People want to know where/when "life" can exist in the Cosmos. By 
"life" they mean themselves and their progeny. We're robots, programmed by 
Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game"; including: Breathing, Pissing, 
Shitting, Breeding, etc. "The Stay Alive Game" is our sacred "Religion". We 
consume "fuel" ( eXergy, energy that can do work ), same as the sun and 
everything else. "Life Extension" comes at a price; the choice is: 1 - Live 
FASTER, breathing FASTER. - OR - 2 - Live longer. Horses live 7 times longer 
than squirrels because, per pound, they consume oxygen 7 times SLOWER. A 
dormant bee lives many months; once activated, it dies a few weeks later. 
Why ? Because the active bee consumes oxygen FASTER.


*** Good observation, Relfie ... so why don't you try an experiment:
See how long you can hold your breath !!!
We'll let you know if the experiment fails ... 

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#614400 — Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old.

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-8, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> When you live, breed and breath like a fly, rapidly, you die like one.
> 
> Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old,
> Takuya Saitoh, and I'll concede that oxygen isn't killing you.

All aliens live outside our galaxy.all are green.all have two heads.all live in peace.all eat the same food.All think alike.all know they are alone in their world.They have no God nor need a God. all this can be proven.TreBert

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#614423 — Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old.

On 1/20/2017 5:12 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-8, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>> When you live, breed and breath like a fly, rapidly, you die like one.
>>
>> Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old,
>> Takuya Saitoh, and I'll concede that oxygen isn't killing you.
>
> All aliens live outside our galaxy.all are green.all have two heads.all live in peace.all eat the same food.All think alike.all know they are alone in their world.They have no God nor need a God. all this can be proven.TreBert
>
Gray.

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#614457 — Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old.

"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
Aliens, they have no God. All this can be proven by me,
the <http://tinyurl.com/Recalcitrant-Swine-Glazier> who 
is Bert, the un-American Communist, Bigot, Hatemonger,
Full Swine, Face Shitter & Graveyard Vandal does this 
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
>
to his crowd of "Anon Y Mouse" & 8 other Bert-shit-eaters
of <http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-the-Lying-Swine> who
freely & happily laid themselves under Glazier's Sphincter,
especially Iran's "Anon Y. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid>
aka "<ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> Mehram Maleki
being the most fervent of Glazier's sphincter-lickers, & waits
greedily to feast on more of Bert's PFM (Poop For Maleki).
>
Now, there are new Bert-Turd-Eater-Aspirants in wait, like
"Peter Riedt" <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk>, plus "Greysky" aka 
"Mathew Orman" <ftlsite@hotmail.com>, plus "Archie" aka
"Arc Michael" <abookoflife@yahoo.com> &  Kackoby "benj" 
Jacoby BJ <benj@nobody.net> the y/n-Judeo-Apostate, &
"James McGinn", the "Mad Ginni-pig" <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
and the gay kike Notrollovsky <notroll2015@charter.net>, 
"Kookjoke DeCockSuckslurper" <cujo@petitsnorte.net> and
Trou de cul hoosegow Silly Villain "Sylvain" <sylvain@invalid.invalid>
> 
.. but not one "got the picture" why Cohen said & meant:
_____   "All of you pigs, 'You must repent' " _____
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkRqQQWu_mA>

ever since Tre:B::ert Glazier introduced himself with & as....
>
:B:: "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex &
:B:: an IQ of 122", & "I do know how everything works."
:B:: "My Grandfathers had tails". -- Trebert
:B:: "Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
:B:: "I'm a non-bible (torra) Jew. I'm the only Jew that
:B:: got 2 form letters from two Popes". Bert
:B:: "God and religion is hocus pocus". Trebert.
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
B:: "I'll be sitting on Benj's, Saul Levi's & HVAC's face
:B:: to take a shit & say: "Open your mouth wide".
:B:: "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And laugh".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I left my dentures in Boston when I fled to CA
:B:: to evade my creditors & my daugher Sheri who
:B:: wanted to warehouse me in a nursing home".
:B:: I embarrass my Ggrandkids. They avoid me. Bert
:B:: "I have a Social worker to make sure that I eat
:B:: my Lithium & 21 other pills. I paint Grey Cloud."
:B:: After sex with a Cuban cigar I drink bud .Trebert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I am living in my Van that I parked illegally
:B:: on Wal-Mart's property for over a year." Bert
:B:: "I shit into a bucket in my van and then throw
:B:: the bag full of crap into Walmart's Dumpsters"
:B:: "Mayor Tait told me to get lost when I demanded
:B::  a contract to clean the city's HVAC ducts. Bert
:B::  "I'm like my half-baked bagel... back to the oven"
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I am a loser & so ugly I will not vote for myself"
:B:: "I re-franchize my M&M (Maggots & Manure).".
:B:: "I sell imaginary boats and defective patio decks"
:B:: "I stole & gave G=EMC^2 to the world", which
:B:: says: "Glazier Exhibits Micro Cephalic Cretinism"
:B:: "With G=EMC^2 I made all good posters leave s.p."
:B:: All my 17 theories are well accepted by me. Bert
B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I got kicked out of school in the 4th grade. Bert.
:B:: "I am self-taught. I'm very *cleaver* out of the box."
:B:: "My cockroach taught me a lot. My grammar stinks".
:B:: "I have lived for too long.. and always lied" Trebert.
:B::  "I called the Mental Health Hotline (800) 723-8641
:B::  spooked a lady with fearing to get shot in my head".
:B::  "I compulsively lie when I speak the truth". Trebert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "While I was in custody of Osceola Sheriff Bob
:B:: Hansel, for thieving, his deputies beat me up.
:B:: Bees are my copters and Flies are my fighters.
:B:: They all die as old soldiers and just fade away.
:B:: I bought a 357 magnum for death threats by Hansel.
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "Even the FBI has me as a trouble maker and
:B:: the FBI blocks my phone from calling them"....
:B:: "I mixed sulfer, carb & iron to make gun powder"
:B:: "Israel will drop its first H-bomb 'David' ". TreBert
:B:: __"I'm glad when war breaks out"__ Bert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.


PS:
Glazier is at the bottom of the barrel of communist
US Jews who are traitors that have whored down 
this nation. How they did it is seen above and why 
so, is described & detailed by the eminent Jewish 
Scholar Harold  Wallace Rosenthal ||R:||  in his epic
<http://tinyurl.com/The-HW-Rosenthal-interview-XT>

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#614466 — Re: Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old.

On 1/20/2017 4:12 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-8, Jeff-Relf.Me
> wrote:
>> When you live, breed and breath like a fly, rapidly, you die like
>> one.
>>
>> Show me a tall, fat, MouthBreathing 105 year old, Takuya Saitoh,
>> and I'll concede that oxygen isn't killing you.
>
> All aliens live outside our galaxy.all are green.all have two
> heads.all live in peace.all eat the same food.All think alike.all
> know they are alone in their world.They have no God nor need a God.
> all this can be proven.TreBert
>

again, fabulus insite by Trebert,

bet they are green, because their food is green.

two heads so they can argue with themself

since the all think alike, they are democrapps

since they are peaseful and democrapps, they must be stoners

    two headded green group think

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#610018

Alan Baker:

Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests, 
during the protests over Trump's election?

*One* answer, not 

yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/n
o/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/

like you're been doing.

We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick 
with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more 
prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters." 
And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness.

Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.





-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#610017

The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:585B5972.7745@ix.netcom.com: 

> Alan Baker wrote:
>> 
>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>> > In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of
>> >> life anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data
>> >> that there are something the order of 100 billion galaxies
>> >> in the observable universe. 
>> >>
>> >> Combining that data with the things we have learned about
>> >> the formation of stars and planets, and we are left with the
>> >> observation that somewhere out there among the 70 billion
>> >> trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are almost certainly
>> >> many others that also support life and indeed, intelligent
>> >> life. 
>> >
>> > We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>> > Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>> > developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique in
>> > this respect. 
>> >
>> 
>> It may be...
>> 
>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
>> 
>> ...is it likely?
>> 
>> :-)
> 
> No, not likely...IMPOSSIBLE!
> 
As impossible as you giving up the lotion addiction?

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#609980

In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
 Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
> > In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
> >> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
> >> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
> >>
> >> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
> >> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
> >> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
> >> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
> >> indeed, intelligent life.
> >
> > We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
> > so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
> > For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
> >
> 
> It may be...
> 
> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
> 
> ...is it likely?

Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of 
our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we 
have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less 
likely.
-- 
Virgil
"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)

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#609981

On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
>>>>
>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
>>>
>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
>>>
>>
>> It may be...
>>
>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
>>
>> ...is it likely?
>
> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
> is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of
> our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we
> have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less
> likely.
>

Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?

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#609985

In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
 Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
> > In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
> >>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
> >>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
> >>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
> >>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
> >>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
> >>>> indeed, intelligent life.
> >>>
> >>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
> >>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
> >>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It may be...
> >>
> >> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
> >>
> >> ...is it likely?
> >
> > Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
> > is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of
> > our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we
> > have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less
> > likely.
> >
> 
> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?

Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life 
has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
-- 
Virgil
"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)

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#610011

On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
>>>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
>>>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
>>>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
>>>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
>>>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
>>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
>>>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
>>>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It may be...
>>>>
>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
>>>>
>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>
>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
>>> is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of
>>> our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we
>>> have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less
>>> likely.
>>>
>>
>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>
> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>

"Guarantee"? No.

But look at it this way:

If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming around 
another star, then there are most likely 70,000 other stars with life 
around them.

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#610021

Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
news:o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de: 

> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
>> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence
>>>>>>> of life anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of
>>>>>>> data that there are something the order of 100 billion
>>>>>>> galaxies in the observable universe. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about
>>>>>>> the formation of stars and planets, and we are left with
>>>>>>> the observation that somewhere out there among the 70
>>>>>>> billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are almost
>>>>>>> certainly many others that also support life and indeed,
>>>>>>> intelligent life. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>>>>>> Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>>>>>> developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique
>>>>>> in this respect. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It may be...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>>>>> from... 
>>>>>
>>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>>
>>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar
>>>> system history is highly unlikely, and with anything less
>>>> than an exact duplicate of our solar system's history, and
>>>> possibly even our galaxy's history, we have no idea whether
>>>> the startup of life is even possible, much less likely.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>>
>> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
>> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
>> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>>
> 
> "Guarantee"? No.
> 
> But look at it this way:
> 
> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming

Why do you believe those are the odds? Other than pulling numbers 
out of your ass? If the odds are 1 in a trillion trillion trillion 
trillion trillion trillion trillion against life forming, then 
you're full of shit.

My number is *excatly* as likely as yours, based on available 
evidence.

Alan Baker:

Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests, 
during the protests over Trump's election?

*One* answer, not 

yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes
/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/

like you're been doing.

We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick 
with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more 
prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters." 
And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness.

Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.




-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#610024

On 2016-12-22 8:09 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
> news:o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de:
>
>> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence
>>>>>>>> of life anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of
>>>>>>>> data that there are something the order of 100 billion
>>>>>>>> galaxies in the observable universe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about
>>>>>>>> the formation of stars and planets, and we are left with
>>>>>>>> the observation that somewhere out there among the 70
>>>>>>>> billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are almost
>>>>>>>> certainly many others that also support life and indeed,
>>>>>>>> intelligent life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>>>>>>> Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>>>>>>> developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique
>>>>>>> in this respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>>>>>> from...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>>>
>>>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar
>>>>> system history is highly unlikely, and with anything less
>>>>> than an exact duplicate of our solar system's history, and
>>>>> possibly even our galaxy's history, we have no idea whether
>>>>> the startup of life is even possible, much less likely.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>>>
>>> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
>>> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
>>> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>>>
>>
>> "Guarantee"? No.
>>
>> But look at it this way:
>>
>> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming
>
> Why do you believe those are the odds? Other than pulling numbers
> out of your ass? If the odds are 1 in a trillion trillion trillion
> trillion trillion trillion trillion against life forming, then
> you're full of shit.
>
> My number is *excatly* as likely as yours, based on available
> evidence.

No. Because we already know that physical processes result in stars like 
our own. We understand why elements appear in the percentages they do. 
And we understand that certain elements in the presence of energy start 
spontaneously forming the compounds of life.

And then you started your gutless whining.

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#610028

Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
news:o3h1nr$vto$2@news.datemas.de: 

> On 2016-12-22 8:09 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
>> news:o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the
>>>>>>>>> presence of life anywhere in the universe, we have lots
>>>>>>>>> and lots of data that there are something the order of
>>>>>>>>> 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned
>>>>>>>>> about the formation of stars and planets, and we are
>>>>>>>>> left with the observation that somewhere out there among
>>>>>>>>> the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are
>>>>>>>>> almost certainly many others that also support life and
>>>>>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>>>>>>>> Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>>>>>>>> developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique
>>>>>>>> in this respect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It may be...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>>>>>>> from...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar
>>>>>> system history is highly unlikely, and with anything less
>>>>>> than an exact duplicate of our solar system's history, and
>>>>>> possibly even our galaxy's history, we have no idea whether
>>>>>> the startup of life is even possible, much less likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>>>>
>>>> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
>>>> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
>>>> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Guarantee"? No.
>>>
>>> But look at it this way:
>>>
>>> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming
>>
>> Why do you believe those are the odds? Other than pulling
>> numbers out of your ass? If the odds are 1 in a trillion
>> trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion against
>> life forming, then you're full of shit.
>>
>> My number is *excatly* as likely as yours, based on available
>> evidence.
> 
> No.

Yes.

Alan Baker:

Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests, 
during the protests over Trump's election?

*One* answer, not 

yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes
/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/

like you're been doing.

We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick 
with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more 
prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters." 
And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness.

Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.




-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#610032

On 2016-12-22 8:32 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
> news:o3h1nr$vto$2@news.datemas.de:
>
>> On 2016-12-22 8:09 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
>>> news:o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the
>>>>>>>>>> presence of life anywhere in the universe, we have lots
>>>>>>>>>> and lots of data that there are something the order of
>>>>>>>>>> 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned
>>>>>>>>>> about the formation of stars and planets, and we are
>>>>>>>>>> left with the observation that somewhere out there among
>>>>>>>>>> the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are
>>>>>>>>>> almost certainly many others that also support life and
>>>>>>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>>>>>>>>> Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>>>>>>>>> developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique
>>>>>>>>> in this respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It may be...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>>>>>>>> from...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar
>>>>>>> system history is highly unlikely, and with anything less
>>>>>>> than an exact duplicate of our solar system's history, and
>>>>>>> possibly even our galaxy's history, we have no idea whether
>>>>>>> the startup of life is even possible, much less likely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
>>>>> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
>>>>> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Guarantee"? No.
>>>>
>>>> But look at it this way:
>>>>
>>>> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming
>>>
>>> Why do you believe those are the odds? Other than pulling
>>> numbers out of your ass? If the odds are 1 in a trillion
>>> trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion against
>>> life forming, then you're full of shit.
>>>
>>> My number is *excatly* as likely as yours, based on available
>>> evidence.
>>
>> No.
>
> Yes.

That would have been more impressive if you'd actually rebutted my 
points rather than just snipping them.

And then the gutless whining began.

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#610041

Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
news:o3h30k$3ef$5@news.datemas.de: 

> On 2016-12-22 8:32 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
>> news:o3h1nr$vto$2@news.datemas.de:
>>
>>> On 2016-12-22 8:09 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
>>>> news:o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the
>>>>>>>>>>> presence of life anywhere in the universe, we have
>>>>>>>>>>> lots and lots of data that there are something the
>>>>>>>>>>> order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable
>>>>>>>>>>> universe. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned
>>>>>>>>>>> about the formation of stars and planets, and we are
>>>>>>>>>>> left with the observation that somewhere out there
>>>>>>>>>>> among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
>>>>>>>>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also
>>>>>>>>>>> support life and indeed, intelligent life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being
>>>>>>>>>> on Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of
>>>>>>>>>> having developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may
>>>>>>>>>> be unique in this respect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It may be...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>>>>>>>>> from...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our
>>>>>>>> solar system history is highly unlikely, and with
>>>>>>>> anything less than an exact duplicate of our solar
>>>>>>>> system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history,
>>>>>>>> we have no idea whether the startup of life is even
>>>>>>>> possible, much less likely. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
>>>>>> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
>>>>>> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Guarantee"? No.
>>>>>
>>>>> But look at it this way:
>>>>>
>>>>> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming
>>>>
>>>> Why do you believe those are the odds? Other than pulling
>>>> numbers out of your ass? If the odds are 1 in a trillion
>>>> trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion against
>>>> life forming, then you're full of shit.
>>>>
>>>> My number is *excatly* as likely as yours, based on available
>>>> evidence.
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Yes.
> 
> That would have been more impressive if you'd actually rebutted
> my points rather than just snipping them.

Give me a straight answer - and only one answer, to a simple
yes/no question, and maybe I will. But you won't, ever, because
you know how mentally ill the answer makes you look. 

Alan Baker:

Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests, 
during the protests over Trump's election?

*One* answer, not 

yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no 
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes
/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/ 

like you're been doing.

We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and
stick with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are
far more prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama
haters." And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness. 

Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.




-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#610044 — Gutless whining (was Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This

On 2016-12-22 9:25 AM, Gutless whined.

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#610031

Alan Baker wrote:
> 
> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
> > In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
> >>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
> >>>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
> >>>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
> >>>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
> >>>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
> >>>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
> >>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
> >>>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
> >>>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It may be...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...is it likely?
> >>>
> >>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
> >>> is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of
> >>> our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we
> >>> have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less
> >>> likely.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
> >
> > Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
> > and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
> > has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
> >
> 
> "Guarantee"? No.
> 
> But look at it this way:
> 
> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming around
> another star, then there are most likely 70,000 other stars with life
> around them.



Your "If" doesn't work. It disagrees with nature.

There are no "odds".

There are no ratios.


"in a million trillion" is a made up amount that doesn't exist.

There is only One earth...there is no 'other' amount.


GET REAL!



ra·tio
'raSHe?o/
noun
noun: ratio; plural noun: ratios

    the quantitative relation between two amounts showing the number of times one value contains or is contained within the other.




odds
ädz/
noun
plural noun: odds

    the ratio between the amounts staked by the parties to a bet, based on the expected probability either way.




There is only one Earth.




wishful thinkers is all yous are.



Okay, I'll make it simple for you...



'There is only one Earth per Universe.'

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#610020

Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> wrote in
news:VIRGIL-291C7C.23055721122016@news.giganews.com: 

> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>> > In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>> >  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>> >>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>> >>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence
>> >>>> of life anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of
>> >>>> data that there are something the order of 100 billion
>> >>>> galaxies in the observable universe. 
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about
>> >>>> the formation of stars and planets, and we are left with
>> >>>> the observation that somewhere out there among the 70
>> >>>> billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are almost
>> >>>> certainly many others that also support life and indeed,
>> >>>> intelligent life. 
>> >>>
>> >>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>> >>> Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>> >>> developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique
>> >>> in this respect. 
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> It may be...
>> >>
>> >> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>> >> from... 
>> >>
>> >> ...is it likely?
>> >
>> > Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar
>> > system history is highly unlikely, and with anything less
>> > than an exact duplicate of our solar system's history, and
>> > possibly even our galaxy's history, we have no idea whether
>> > the startup of life is even possible, much less likely.
>> >
>> 
>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
> 
> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,

If there are quantum effects involved, eve nthat cannot guarantee 
the same result.

(And, of course, if there's intelligent design involved, all bets 
are off.)

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Gutless says 
(And, of course, if there's intelligent design involved, all bets 
are off.) 
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Not really for a couple reasons. First, if an alien 'god' began the big bang and directed life on earth, where did this alien god come from? How was it created? 

And let's just say it was an alien god who made humans in some sort of science project. Why would people worship and pray to such a creature? It is, at the very least, absurd and childish.

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