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Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This

From Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics
Subject Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This
Date 2016-12-22 09:37 -0800
Organization Datemas.de http://www.news.datemas.de
Message-ID <o3h30k$3ef$5@news.datemas.de> (permalink)
References (14 earlier) <VIRGIL-291C7C.23055721122016@news.giganews.com> <o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de> <XnsA6E65D2A3C1C5taustingmail@69.16.179.43> <o3h1nr$vto$2@news.datemas.de> <XnsA6E6611D79D0Ctaustingmail@69.16.179.43>

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On 2016-12-22 8:32 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
> news:o3h1nr$vto$2@news.datemas.de:
>
>> On 2016-12-22 8:09 AM, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in
>>> news:o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>> In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>>>>>>>>>  Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the
>>>>>>>>>> presence of life anywhere in the universe, we have lots
>>>>>>>>>> and lots of data that there are something the order of
>>>>>>>>>> 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned
>>>>>>>>>> about the formation of stars and planets, and we are
>>>>>>>>>> left with the observation that somewhere out there among
>>>>>>>>>> the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are
>>>>>>>>>> almost certainly many others that also support life and
>>>>>>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>>>>>>>>> Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>>>>>>>>> developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique
>>>>>>>>> in this respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It may be...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose
>>>>>>>> from...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...is it likely?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar
>>>>>>> system history is highly unlikely, and with anything less
>>>>>>> than an exact duplicate of our solar system's history, and
>>>>>>> possibly even our galaxy's history, we have no idea whether
>>>>>>> the startup of life is even possible, much less likely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
>>>>> and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
>>>>> has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Guarantee"? No.
>>>>
>>>> But look at it this way:
>>>>
>>>> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming
>>>
>>> Why do you believe those are the odds? Other than pulling
>>> numbers out of your ass? If the odds are 1 in a trillion
>>> trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion against
>>> life forming, then you're full of shit.
>>>
>>> My number is *excatly* as likely as yours, based on available
>>> evidence.
>>
>> No.
>
> Yes.

That would have been more impressive if you'd actually rebutted my 
points rather than just snipping them.

And then the gutless whining began.

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    Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This synthius2002@yahoo.com - 2016-12-20 18:39 -0800
      Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-20 22:05 -0800
        Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-20 22:22 -0800
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                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 15:37 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-12-25 08:25 -0600
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                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2016-12-21 21:58 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 19:06 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 20:37 -0800
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                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 19:05 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 20:56 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 20:01 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 20:41 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 22:55 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 22:01 -0800
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                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:06 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 22:45 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 21:47 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 23:05 -0700
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                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 08:42 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:09 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 09:15 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:32 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 09:37 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 10:25 -0700
                Gutless whining (was Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 10:29 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 09:36 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:07 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:07 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
                Gutless whining Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-22 09:12 -0800
                Re: Gutless whining Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:32 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 09:20 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:33 -0700
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 13:43 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 14:04 -0700
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                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 20:35 -0800
                Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 20:59 -0800
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