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Re: If you can't measure it, is it still science ? !

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Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>You (MichaelMoroney) replied (to me):
>> >   According to general relativity, 
>> >   no path in spacetime can leave the singularity within a black hole.
>> 
>> No information about the position/momentum measurements can make
>> it outside from inside.  All our measurements must be from a distance, and
>> we cannot see "inside" to sense exactly where it is and where it is going.

>If you can't measure it, is it still science ? !

>Without measurement, how would one know if 
>the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle was violated or not ?

If you can't measure it, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle doesn't
even apply! HUP tells you that you cannot MEASURE both position and
momentum at the same time to more than a certain accuracy.  It does NOT
put restrictions on the actual accuracy of either position or momentum
beyond that.  For example, in trying to determine whether an electron is
really point-like, we've measured its diameter to within 10^-19 meters, a
really really small number.  Maybe even smaller than this by now.  This
doesn't violate HUP as any attempt to measure its momentum at the same
time would result in a rather large number.

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