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Re: Why Still Old Framework?

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On 7/31/2015 9:23 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:57:13 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> Now, if I'm wrong
>> and you HAVE been formally trained in either mathematics or physics,
>> then simply telling me about that formal training will show my error.
>> If, however, I am right and you have no formal training in either, then
>> it doesn't matter how I arrived at the right answer.
>>
>
> Ol' Odd Ball seems to have a bug up his ass about my educational
> history.  Of course, my personal background is totally irrelevant
> to any discussion, but he is quite insistent nevertheless.
>
> Well, perhaps we should not disappoint ol' Odd Ball
>
> In the first place, his continued use of the expression "formal
> training" would tend to indicate that *he* has had no professional
> level experience in any STEM discipline.  If he had, then he would
> realize that the concept of "formal training" does not even exist.

Well, as it turns out, I've had formal training in M.

>
> The "education" of a physicist occurs at a post-graduate institution
> that is chartered by the state to endow specific degrees such as
> the Masters or the Doctor of Philosophy.

Bachelor of Science, Physics, I believe exists as a degree.

>
> Now, these post-graduate institutions share a common practice: there
> are no formal classes.

Excuse me? I believe there are in fact graduate-level courses. Would you 
like to see a sample?
http://www.physics.wisc.edu/academics/gradstudents/course-descriptions

> The "student" (actually already a professional
> at this point) is expected to master the discipline entirely through
> his own initiative and devices.  Although the "student" is assigned
> a thesis advisor, who is sometimes called a "mentor," it is not the
> task of this advisor to supervise or manage the "student" in any way.

Again, not my experience or my understanding.

I have no idea what you were brought up with.

> In fact, most advisors remain quite aloof and inaccessible (my own
> advisor was only rarely on the campus as he was busy with his own
> private business).
>
> This is how the professional education, or "formal training" as
> Odd Ball calls it, of a scientist occurs in the United States and
> probably in most of the rest of the world as well.  There simply
> is no "formal training" of any kind.  One either does or does not
> entirely on his own.

I'm sorry, but you're simply full of shit.

>
> The fact that Odd Ball has completely missed this basic aspect
> and continues to refer to "formal training" strongly indicates
> that he has not ever been involved in the actual process himself.
>
> Please do not try to castigate others to make up for your own
> shortfalls.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Why Still Old Framework? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-07-30 20:09 +0000
  Re: Why Still Old Framework? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 20:29 -0500
    Re: Why Still Old Framework? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:51 -0500
  Re: Why Still Old Framework? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-01 02:23 +0000
    Re: Why Still Old Framework? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:49 -0500
      Re: Why Still Old Framework? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-03 12:42 +0000
        Re: Why Still Old Framework? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 08:51 -0500
          Re: Why Still Old Framework? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-03 16:52 +0000
            Re: Why Still Old Framework? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 12:01 -0500
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