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Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro
Subject Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9
Date 2016-07-02 23:15 +0000
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 

<snip>

>>Nope; once an aircraft is certified, that's it, and it is treated no
>>differently than any other certified aircraft no matter the age of
>>the design.
>>
> 
> Yep; are you claiming that FAA will certify an airplane with no
> initial inspection regime?  You yourself were saying a while back that
> new aircraft initially got shorter inspection cycles until experience
> was gained on them.  Contradict yourself much?

Not at all.

What I said was that a manufacturer may impose in it's maintenance
procedures inspections/replacements at shorter intervals than the
FAA regulations. Note the use of the word "may". That means they
do not have to do that. This has nothing to do with FAA regulations.

>>>>
>>>>Inspection times are set by whatever Part of 14 CFR the aircraft was
>>>>certified under.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> And who certifies the aircraft again?
>>
>>Depends on what you mean; the manufacturer provides the data for the
>>applicable part of 14 CFR and the FAA issues the certificate.
>>
>>None of this process has any "initial inspection times" for new designs.
>>
> 
> So an aircraft can be certified with the manufacturer just saying,
> "Inspections?  We don't need no steenking inspections!"  Why does that
> just not quite sound reasonable to me?

Certification has little to nothing to do with inspections.

Certifiction is based on things like FAA approved materials and manufacturing
techniques and test flights to prove adherence to FAA established parameters
such as, but not limited to, things like the wings don't fall off in
steep turns. Such testing may include things like doing some number of
steep turns then inspectings things for cracks in wing spars. These
are NOT on going inspections, but part of the certification process.

>>>>>>Your second misconception is that the FAA sets inspection times differently
>>>>>>for different aircraft.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, really?  I only have that 'misconception' because it's a bloody
>>>>> fact, you moron.
>>>>
>>>>Bzzzt, wrong anser McCrap.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Bzzzt, wrong anser Chimpshit.
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>Inspecton times are set by whatever Part of 14 CFR the aircraft was
>>>>certified under regardless of when it was manufactured.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> And just who does all that?  Can you spell 'FAA'?
>>
>>None of this process has any "initial inspection times" for new designs.
>> 
> 
> So how do they get set?  Suppose I build a carbon fiber glued
> construction business jet with radial flow jet engines.  How do you
> decide what gets inspected when?  Neither your airframe nor power
> plant 'historical' inspections apply in any way to what I've built, so
> what do you think the FAA does?

The same thing it does for all airplanes in the certification category,
which is based on the cumulative history of aircraft since 1926.

And this method applies to all FAA regulations, including things like
how often must a commercial pilot of age 45 get a medical and what
medical conditions are significant to pilot performance.

>>>>>>Whoopee, 33 years in aerospace.
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why am I not surprised that you find decades of experience to not
>>>>> matter?
>>>> 
>>>>Maybe because I too spent several decades in aerospace and know full
>>>>well most of aerospace has little to nothing to do with civilian
>>>>aviation. 
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Maybe because you're a fucking bureaucrat and don't know dick about
>>> engineering.
>> 
>>Nope, my title was Senior Staff Engineer, but engineering has nothing
>>to do with 14 CFR. 
>>
> 
> I'd say that what your title is has very little to do with what your
> job is.

I'd say you never had to deal with 14 CFR.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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        Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-15 20:12 -0400
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                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:26 -0700
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                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:31 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-06-21 15:37 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 18:27 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:11 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-21 09:02 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:59 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jonathan <writeInstead@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:12 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:55 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-05 06:06 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:04 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:59 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 01:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 06:21 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:36 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:34 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:54 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 10:24 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:12 -0700
        Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:30 -0700
          Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-18 12:45 -0400
            Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:37 -0700
          Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-18 14:27 -0400
    Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:18 -0700
  Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-17 06:25 -0400

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