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Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro
Subject Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9
Date 2016-07-12 17:20 +0000
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>> 
>>>>The maintenance manual lists what gets inspected and the maintenance
>>>>manual, along with sevreral other things, is part of the required
>>>>PAPERWORK package that must be presented during cerification.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> You keep leaving out "how often maintenance (including inspections)
>>> must be performed".  Is it your claim that the maintenance manual is
>>> merely a 'how to' document and has nothing about 'when to'?
>>
>>99.99% of the time, yes.
>>
> 
> So your claim is that the maintenance manual will say to top off the
> engine oil with grade X, explain how to top it off, explain how to
> change it, but just say "whenever" when it comes to how frequently the
> engine oil level should be looked at and "meh" with regard to how
> often to change it?
 
99.99% of the time, yes.

> I'm sorry, but that ought to sound stupid to even your ego.

That is because you keep ignoring the fact that the FAA requires 100 hour
or 12 month inpsections.

>>>>An individual item in the maintenance manual is normally inspected once
>>>>every 12 months. If the aircraft is on a 100 hour inspection schedule,
>>>>some things are inspected in the first 100 hours, others in the second
>>>>100 hours and so on until everything is inspected within 12 months.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> So your claim is that a part that in the maintenance manual is called
>>> out as requiring no inspection will be inspected every 100 hours
>>> anyway?
>>
>>Yet another childish statement.
>>
> 
> Yet another stuck on stupid statement.
> 
>>
>>Why would something that requires no maintenance be mentioned in a
>>maintenance manual?
>>
> 
> You have again been betrayed by your deficient English skills.  I said
> "no inspection", not "no maintenance".  Can someone whose life is
> apparently paper really read this poorly?

Again why would something that requires no inspection be mentioned in
a maintenance manual?

> 
>>>>Inspections occur AFTER certification when the aircraft is sold to an
>>>>owner and is in operation.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Irrelevant.
>>
>>Highly releveant and a point you keep missing.
>>
> 
> Highly relevant to WHAT (that is actually being discussed)?  I don't
> keep 'missing' it.  I don't see why you brought it up in the first
> place, since no one had said that they were.

So you finally got it; on going maintenance has nothing to do with
certification other than the paperwork of presenting a maintenance
manual during certification.

>>>>The certification process is a totally separate process that proves
>>>>the DESIGN of the aircraft meets the applicable standards for that
>>>>type of aircraft and occurs before any aircraft can be sold.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> But the maintenance manual, which calls out what must be inspected and
>>> maintained when is a required input to certification and used (by your
>>> own claim) to determine what to inspect.  
>>
>>During routine, on going maintenance, after certification is complete,
>>and the aircraft is sold to someone.
>>
> 
> Which part of "so what?" is it that is leaving you confused?

Your continued nit picking and arguing about it.

>>>>The design is certified by a combination of one time engineering
>>>>calculations and actual testing (assuming no failures during the
>>>>process).
>>>>
>>> 
>>> And by the presence of a document that controls inspections.
>>
>>Nope.
>>
> 
> Yep.  You've said so yourself.  

No, I did not. Again you are confusing maintenance with certification.

Certification is not inspection, which is on going maintenance.
 
>
>>During the certification process separarte TESTING documents are used
>>to perform TESTING, not routine maintenance.
>>
> 
> Who gives a fuck?  You're still stuck on stupid and apparently unable
> to parse simple declarative English sentences.

Apparently you as you keep confusing inspection, which is on going
maintenance with certification testing.

> 
>>>>Before you say something else blazingly stupid, you should read
>>>>ALL of Part 25 14 CFR and see what the actual requirements are for
>>>>the certification process.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Before you say something else blazingly stupid and irrelevant, YOU
>>> SHOULD TRY READING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ACTUALLY WRITE.  For example, you
>>> keep blithering on about how normal inspections aren't conducted
>>> during certification, as if someone had said they were.  The only
>>> person saying that is you.
>>
>>You are the one going on and on about inspections during certification,
>>not me, you lying sack.
>>
> 
> Hogwash.  I've done no such thing.  Stop listening to the little
> voices in your head and read what people actually write.  Let me see
> if I can make what I'm saying so simple that even your gigantic ego
> can figure it out:
> 
> 1) The maintenance manual, which must be complete at certification,
> determines what is inspected and tested during operation.  YOU have
> said this, even though you've made the remarkably stupid statement
> that there is nothing in the maintenance documents about how
> frequently anything should be done.

Complete as in completely written.

When it is done is 100 hours or 12 months.

> 2) Given 1), above, quite obviously there is a link between
> 'certification' and 'testing during operational use'.  Well, there is
> unless you think they just burn the maintenance manual once
> certification is complete.

The link is the maintenance manual is delivered to the owner upon sale
so the OWNER can perform on going maintenance.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:39 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-25 16:43 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-26 00:05 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-26 15:40 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:31 +0100
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-28 06:18 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-26 22:29 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:36 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:28 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:26 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:31 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-06-21 15:37 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 18:27 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:11 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-21 09:02 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:59 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jonathan <writeInstead@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:12 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:55 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-05 06:06 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:04 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:59 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 01:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 06:21 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:36 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:34 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:54 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 10:24 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:12 -0700
        Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:30 -0700
          Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-18 12:45 -0400
            Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:37 -0700
          Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-18 14:27 -0400
    Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:18 -0700
  Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-17 06:25 -0400

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