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Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9

From jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Newsgroups sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro
Subject Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9
Date 2016-07-10 19:41 +0000
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
 
> Makers try very hard to not have fucking airplanes falling out of the
> sky, so if engineering analysis says that something needs to be
> checked, you can be pretty sure that the maintenance manual is going
> to specify checking it.

Makers have to prove the design meets the requirements of Part 25 14 CFR
during the certification process and the certification process has nothing
to do with on going maintenance other than the maintenance manual is a
part of the PAPERWORK requirements.

Do you not understand the difference between design verification and on
going maintenance?

<snip>

> And if the manufacturer doesn't specify anything to inspect, FAA
> happily mandates inspecting nothing?

Nope, the aircraft never gets through the certification process for lack
of a maintenance manual unless during the certification process the 
maker has proved that all parts last forever, including the tires and
engine oil.

>>I have said all along 100 hour inspections are PROGRESSIVE, which means
>>not ALL items are inspected every 100 hours but a subset of all the
>>items.
>>
> 
> No you haven't.  Perhaps the little voices in your head said that, but
> it never made it out as electrons.

Yes, I have, several times now.

>>That means, for example, that the landing gear might be inspected during
>>the first 100 hour inspection within 12 calendar months and not inspected
>>again until the first 100 hour inspecton of the next 12 calendar months.
>>
>>Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
>>
> 
> It's not a problem with my understanding.  It's a problem with your
> apparent inability to say the same thing two days in a row.

Try staying sober two days in a row and it might start making sense
to you.

<snip>

> Remember, this whole discussion originally started out as being about
> A ROCKET.  So, what we essentially have is that after all this
> complaining YOU AGREE WITH WHAT I SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE and all this
> "rarely pepper" is merely your attempt to save your massive ego now
> that you realize it.

Nope.

With have a curmudgeon determined to show the world he is an expert
on everythng who will argue with whatever I say even if it is a direct
quote from an authority.

>>
>>And you are overlooking the point that ALL systems must be inspected.
>>
> 
> Even if the maintenance manual specifies "No Inspection"?

Which, again, will only happen if during the certification process the
maker proves that everything has an unlimited life, including tires and
engine oil.

<snip>

>>What part of the FAA requires ALL systems to be inspected you do not
>>understand?
>>
> 
> The part where you explain that the manufacturer specifies what gets
> inspected in their maintenance manual, which they provide as part of
> Certification.

I guess it is time to dumb it down even further.

The maintenance manual is part of the required paperwork for certification.

The maintenance manual describes the on going maintenance procedures for
the operation of the aircraft after certification.

It is about things like changing the oil, proper torque when working on
wheel assemblies, tire inflation, allowable wear in moving parts, lubriaction
specifications, etc.

It is the normal maintenace performed on a thing to keep it working as
originally designed.

>>What part of the maker simply lists what systems an aircraft has you do
>>not understand?
>>
> 
> That would make for a mighty odd looking Maintenance Manual.  And
> you're changing your story again.

No, I am not.

Would you expect the maintenance manual to list other than the systems
a particular aircraft has?

I did not explicitly state, again, that it contains the details such as
what type of spark plug and internal combutsion engine uses, but if you
weren't arguing just for the sake of arguing you would understand that.

>>What part of very, very, very rarely do makers impose inspections more
>>stringent than required by the FAA do you not understand?
>>
> 
> Which part of your own statement that what gets inspected and how
> frequently is called out in the Maintenance Manual do you not
> understand?  I mean, it's your statement so you OUGHT to understand
> it, but your statements seem to be formulated out of some particularly
> runny Jello.

How frequently for an individual item is 12 months.

For a maker to specify something more stringent than the FAA requirement
is economic suicide.

<snip>

>>Medical knowledge has changed. The medical standards for pilots is based
>>on MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE, i.e. the cumulative history of medicine.
>>
> 
> But the BLOODY PILOTS haven't changed.  Turn your ego off and READ
> WHAT IS WRITTEN.

Actually pilots have changed, The average pilot of today is taller and
heavier than those of a few decades ago.

But that isn't the point, the point is that medical standards for pilots
have changed because medical knowledge has changes.

>>>>What the FAA expects for composite skin versus aluminum skin versus
>>>>linen skin are all different.
>>>>
>>>>Composite skin is a relatively new thing.
>>>>
>>>>ADS-B equipment is a very new thing.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> But there are no pilots with aluminum skin, composite skin, or any new
>>> 'equipment' that they haven't had since Adam.  We're talking about
>>> PILOTS at this point.  I know it's hard for you, but try to keep up
>>> with where YOU drag the discussion.
>>
>>Why is it you can not understand that medical science is ALWAYS changing?
>>
>>The medical requirements for pilots is based on the CURRENT cumulative
>>history of medical science.
>>
>>The requirement for a 3rd class physical for private pilots is at this
>>time being eliminated as cumulative history shows it is not a requirement
>>for safety.
>>
> 
> This is a different topic from "new technology".  Pilots are the same
> technology they've always been.  Stop arguing about things that aren't
> part of the discussion in order to fluff your ego.

Actually, it is not, as there is lots of new medical technology which
has a direct effect on medical standards.

And the point here is that ALL FAA standards and regulations are subject
to change as the applicable state of the art changes contrary to what
seems to be your point of view that the FAA is frozen in time.

<snip>

> And again the Mighty Chimp has lost the original thread.  WE'RE
> TALKING ABOUT A FUCKING ROCKET, YOU BLOODY YAMMERHEAD.

My original post that started you froothing was about certification of
aircraft and you have continued to talk about certification of aircraft.

Now that you are in a corner with your ignorance you are trying to negate
all of your curmudgeon posts and ignoring the fact I said many posts ago
to that other guy you are trying to browbeat that FAA certification of 
aircraft has nothing to do with the rockets of SpaceX.

<snip>

>>The numbers in a maintenance manual are numbers like how much oil goes
>>into the engine and the torgue on a replaced bolt. Nothing whatsoever to
>>do with what goes on in certification.
>>
> 
> But the numbers in a maintenance manual most certainly do call out how
> frequently X needs to be inspected/maintained.

No, they do not normally.

Normally it is once every 12 months.

If the aircraft is expected to be in a high usage environment racking up
many thousands of hours per year, SOME things MAY have an hour limitation
such as change the oil every X hundred of hours.

<snip>

>>Do you understand that the maintenance manual, other than the fact that
>>it has to exist, has nothing to do with certification?
>>
> 
> Do you understand that if the maintenance manual calls out 'do not
> inspect' for a part that FAA doesn't require it to be inspected?  Or
> are you going to change your story yet again?
 
Do you understand that for the aircraft to be certified the maker would
have to prove that everything, includinng tires and engine oil, has an
unlimited life?

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-09 17:23 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 11:38 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-10 19:57 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 00:35 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-11 15:59 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 10:01 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-12 18:29 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 18:09 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-13 03:14 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-07-02 23:03 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 05:57 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-24 22:44 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 08:57 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-25 14:31 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-25 16:39 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-25 16:43 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-26 00:05 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-26 15:40 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Dr J R Stockton <reply1600@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-06-27 21:31 +0100
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-28 06:18 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-26 22:29 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:36 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 23:28 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 00:26 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:31 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-06-21 15:37 +0000
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 18:27 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:11 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-21 09:02 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:59 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jonathan <writeInstead@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:12 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 20:55 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-07-05 06:06 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:04 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-20 21:59 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 01:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-21 06:21 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:36 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 06:34 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-21 13:54 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-22 10:24 -0700
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> - 2016-06-21 07:42 -0400
                Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-20 20:12 -0700
        Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:30 -0700
          Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-06-18 12:45 -0400
            Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:37 -0700
          Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-06-18 14:27 -0400
    Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 04:18 -0700
  Re: Leaning tower of falcon 9 Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-06-17 06:25 -0400

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