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Re: Massive gamma ray burst detected after black hole merger

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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> 7 wrote:
> 
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> 7 wrote:
>>>> There is zero evidence for the present model of
>>>> 1. a quantum fluctuation creating a big bang and then invoking
>>>> 2. inflation to smooth out the CMB
>>>> 3. no theories for slowing and then accelerating universe
>>>> 4. no theories for dark matter either
>>>> 5. and hot side/cold side of CMB
>>>> 6. The axis in the CMB
>>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> That is not even wrong.
>>> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)#Observational_status>
>> 
>> Just reading the first paragraph its a fail:
>> 
>> "In addition, inflation predicts that the structures visible in the
>> Universe today formed through the gravitational collapse of perturbations
>> that were formed as quantum mechanical fluctuations in the inflationary
>> epoch."
>> 
>> So - no evidence for no.2 other than it exists therefore it must be true.
> 
> Incorrect.

No No and No.

Its an absolute and graphic illustration of your small minded thinking.



There is no evidence for inflation other than it exists therefore it must be 
true.

There are no particles, fields, quantum mechanisms etc for its existence.

Its there as a device to prevent the young universe shrinking back to a 
point at the time of its birth.

So if we are now saying the universe was born from a gamma ray burst
during a black hole merger because gravity going briefly to zero 
along a 'Lagrange point' coincident on the surface of a black
hole allows black hole(s) to rip open and allow gamma rays to escape, then 
we are also saying the gamma ray condensed and formed the universe 
and it was smooth, and we didn't need inflation.



> First of all, that is _not_ “its first paragraph”.  You have
> conveniently omitted from the first paragraph:
> 
> | […] Since Guth's early work, each of these observations has received
> | further confirmation, most impressively by the detailed observations
> | of the cosmic microwave background made by the Wilkinson Microwave
> | Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) spacecraft.[11]
> 
> The second paragraph of that section, which you partially quoted, goes on:
> 
> | […] Inflation predicts that the observed perturbations should be in
> | thermal equilibrium with each other (these are called adiabatic or
> | isentropic perturbations).  This structure for the perturbations has
> | been confirmed by the WMAP spacecraft and other cosmic microwave
> | background (CMB) experiments,[11] and galaxy surveys, especially the
> | ongoing Sloan Digital Sky Survey.[62] These experiments have shown
> | that the one part in 100,000 inhomogeneities observed have exactly
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | the form predicted by theory. Moreover, there is evidence for a slight
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | deviation from scale invariance. The spectral index[ ] nₛ is equal to
> | one for a scale-invariant spectrum. The simplest inflation models
> | predict
>                                                                 ^^^^^^^
> | that this quantity is between 0.92 and 0.98.[63][64][65][66] From WMAP
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | data it can be inferred that nₛ = 0.963 ± 0.012,[67] implying that it
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | differs from one at the level of two standard deviations (2σ). This is
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | considered an important confirmation of the theory of inflation.[11]
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>> A condensation model from a gamma ray burst would not demand inflation
>> in order to smooth out CMB.
> 
> Your gamma-ray burst idea of the beginnings of our universe is not based
> on science.

You don't know that. You don't understand the science projections behind it.

The science is based on projections of the very precise signals detected at 
LIGO and by the gamma ray burst detection observatories.

No new science has been invented. So it is fully based on science and
existing observations and science.

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