Re: Why is the universe flat?

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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 7:59:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 1:12:36 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 4:55:35 PM UTC-7, noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > > > expanding Universe has long been passe',
> > > > > > > > since the plasma cosmology of Alfven has shown that a)
> > > > > > > > most of Universe is plasma
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  > Zwicky's ''tired light'' hypothesis. We also test for power-law
> > > > > > > > > >  > dependencies of the aging rate on redshift. The best-fit exponent for
> > > > > > > > > >  > these models is consistent with the expected 1/(1 þ z) factor.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A supernova is quite extromissive, including
> > > > > > > > > with the shock front.  (Which is quite deformed,
> > > > > > > > > whether space is flat or not.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Space-time curvature is just a notational relic.
> > > > > > > > > The effects are still the same, and also it's
> > > > > > > > > still the Dirac positronic sea or aether (which
> > > > > > > > > experiment also supports and yes it does.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We need mathematics of infinities/infinitesimals
> > > > > > > > > and the real effects in the numbers to reduce these
> > > > > > > > > "systems of numerical appeasement" to "systems
> > > > > > > > > in numbers".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These "systems of numerical appeasement" are
> > > > > > > uncomfortable accommodations of physicists that
> > > > > > > would rather expect reduction and spareness of
> > > > > > > framework.  These "fudge factors", here as the
> > > > > > > placement of the cosmological constant and what
> > > > > > > its value and import is in projection, are an
> > > > > > > arithmetic kludge to match data to model.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Systems of numerical appeasement", often ad-hoc
> > > > > > > and particular to configuration of experiment,
> > > > > > > find themselves somehow systematically reducing to
> > > > > > > features of the numbers, that in the interest
> > > > > > > of conservation of "numerical and mathematical
> > > > > > > resources" (the principle of conservation of
> > > > > > > numerical content), are eventually reduced to
> > > > > > > more "fundamental" numerical frameworks and as
> > > > > > > of effect in numbers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is a role for effects at the demarcator
> > > > > > > between continuous fields and discrete events
> > > > > > > in them, that of the infinitesimal composition
> > > > > > > of continua as of points, collected.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Point!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > " ... find themselves somehow systematically reducing to
> > > > > > features of the numbers ...."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Examples (of successful reductions to the fundamental)
> > > > > > include "Maxwell equations" and "E = mc^2".
> > > > >
> > > > > Just studying one google page result is an example of successful reductions to the fundamental.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's a perceived need, for mathematical physics, of
> > > > > > these features of real mathematical infinitesimals
> > > > > > that they are.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is nothing REAL about "real mathematical infinitesimals".
> > > > >
> > > > > The chance that real mathematical infinitesimals is real is...infinitesimal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The laws of physics is not real
> > > > > The laws of nature are not real
> > > > >
> > > > > math does not exist anywhere out there...it's not real.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried learning to play a guitar?
> > > >
> > > > "Mathematical Platonists" have mathematical objects
> > > > as real, even concrete (there are subcamps in Mathematical
> > > > Platonism, but that the numbers are "real" or "exist"
> > > > regardless our formation of them).
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, can you tell me where do they exist at, what place are they at?
> >
> > http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/
> >
> > How do we categorize experiments and ultimate or
> > penultimate results of both the absolute and relative
> > that experimental data has integer or fractional
> > factors that seems to appear and disappear over the
> > bounds of the range of the experiment. "?"
> >
> > These are to be considered for what effect to the model
> > there would be of a numerical or mathematical effect,
> > basically building the observation/measurement as the
> > action of "counting" over these "numbered" fields
> > (vector, force fields), as that these factors would
> > follow or be explained (falsifiable predictions for
> > hypothesis testing of the scientific method).
> >
> > That's defensively written, here with this admission
> > that aprocryphally infinities and infinitesimals are
> > ubiquitous in cosmological and atomic scale physical
> > systems.  As example, framed in the context of
> > "normalization", that is in a sense "de-re-normalization",
> > with the maintenance in variables for cancellation of
> > these "infinite" terms (and their numerical approximations
> > and the conditions under "linearization" as a numerical
> > method feature with "normalization") - replaced with some
> > infinity or infinitesimal, what other factors like
> > Einstein's cosmological constant or Planck's big C and
> > small c, are infinities or their inverses?  (Or vice versa?)
> >
> > This is where, otherwise the "real infinities" as they are,
> > have not yet been found to be of, say, our transfinite
> > cardinals that otherwise we have in terms of "counting"
> > (which is not the same thing as "numbering" which is more
> > fundamental).  Here, if we have some putative object or
> > structural feature of what that infinite value would be
> > under the condition of what detection/measurement/observation
> > or the measurement effect has:  where is the measured data
> > that is off so thrown out as to that the interaction of
> > an otherwise closed system by measurement, has these integer
> > or fractional ratios that may be accounted for, by features
> > of a numerical "infinity", as a scalar.
> >
> > This is where the line between (0,0) and (1,1) has area
> > underneath of 1/2, and the points are all one-sided on
> > through in the line, then that as each point gets to
> > have both sides on the line, the area under the function
> > defined on the integers, of the "constant monotonically
> > (infinitesimally) increasing in the range from 0 to 1",
> > _doubles_ the area, as the feature (or numerical effect).
> >
> > "Mathematical Platonism" isn't necessarily part of a
> > numerical model of this construction of a model of
> > the real numbers suitable for standard and extra
> > "continuum infinitesimal analysis", though it neatly
> > is a part:  here given features of the scalar (infinite)
> > under normalization/linearization and otherwise action:
> > what comes to mind in the experimental data that is
> > already there, in addition to the electron/photon
> > "integer" deflection and dark matter/energy "fractional"
> > ratios, other "integer" and "fractional" corrections. "?"
> 
> You're a...platonists.
> 
> I notice people get confused when they mix Philosophy with Science and Math.
> 
> Platonism in the Philosophy of Mathematics
> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/
> 
> Why did they remove the word  Philosophy "http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/" from the link?


If you read the first paragragh, (and just only the first paragragh) you
will find tons of errors.



"Platonism about mathematics (or mathematical platonism) is the
metaphysical view that there are 
abstract mathematical objects whose existence is independent of us and
our language, thought, and practices. 
Just as electrons and planets exist independently of us, so do numbers
and sets. And just as statements about 
electrons and planets are made true or false by the objects with which
they are concerned and these objects' perfectly 
objective properties, so are statements about numbers and sets.
Mathematical truths are therefore discovered, not invented."
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/



Starting from the botton: "Mathematical truths are therefore discovered,
not invented."


That isn't true.

And if that isn't true, why bother going any further?



It is a "metaphysical view". 

That's all it is, a view, ...metaphysical view.


an opinion, just a way of looking at things.


Mathematical truths are therefore discovered, not invented.


Mathematical truths are invented, they just seem or feel like a
discovery...

putting symbols on patterns is just how yous view things.

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                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 10:01 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:16 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:24 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:26 -0800
                inside & outside of cell noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 17:11 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 19:36 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 15:44 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:43 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 00:08 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 00:13 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:26 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:37 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:51 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:59 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:17 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:30 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 08:33 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 11:58 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:01 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 13:20 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:24 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 15:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:37 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:59 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:25 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:41 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 16:04 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:47 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 21:02 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:38 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 23:02 -0400
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:22 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:58 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 10:38 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 12:55 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:02 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Jeffrey Bannister <jban48@pannelcamarena.org> - 2015-11-01 19:15 +0000
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:22 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:07 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:34 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 16:18 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:08 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:10 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:19 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:40 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:42 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:40 -0600
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:21 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:33 -0800
                Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:47 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 18:10 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 23:54 -0800
                on, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:16 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 14:00 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 14:42 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 19:12 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 03:12 -0400
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:08 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:10 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:56 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:49 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 13:50 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 16:45 -0500
  Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:39 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-19 14:23 -0700
      theodolites noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 19:13 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 10:17 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 15:05 -0700
  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0600
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:22 -0800

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