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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.science, sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.space.policy |
| Subject | Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon |
| Date | 2016-04-14 22:24 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <1th5uc-r65.ln1@mail.specsol.com> (permalink) |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I realized most >>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and denial of >>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian population >>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which were killed >>by European diseseses. >> > > So you noticed your own delusions. No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said essentially the same thing. >> >>Then I noticed you snipped the important part, so I'll just repost that part. >> > > You mean the biased part that misstates things? I know a realist description bothers you space cadet. > >>Establish a new family on Earth: >> > > Already responded to this part, but I'll add one addition. > >>Load the horse drawn wagon the the wife, kids, hand tools, initial >>provisions for the trip, some caged chickens and a sack of seeds. >> >>Find a nice spot near tree and water sources. >> >>Plant seeds, cut timber to build cabin,d dig a well so as to not have >>to walk as far to get water, build a chicken coop, take shelter in the >>wagon until the cabin is built. >> >>Dig a hole and build an outhouse so you don't have to walk to the woods >>to take a dump. If you forgot to bring a plow, make a wooden one. >> >>While waiting for the first crop, forage for wild vegetables, fish, and >>hunt game and eat some of the eggs from the chickens. >> > > And probably starve to death if that's your mechanism rather than > having supplies on hand. What part of forage for wild vegetables, fish, and hunt game did you not understand? >>If you see any Indians, don't piss them off; try to make friends. >> >>All of the tecnonology, other than firearms, is well over a thousand >>years old. >> >>All the stuff you have is hand made and most of it is made of wood. >> > > Except for all the essential tools, which were high tech items in the > day. Nope, the axe, saw, plow, etc. are very, very old technology. >>The item with the most technology in it is a cast iron cooking pot. >> >> >> >>Establsh a new family on Mars: >> > > Which won't be done at all the way it was done on Earth, with one > individual going off by themselves. Now that I've pointed that out, > you'll claim that Earth colonization doesn't matter and that bringing > it up is stupid. It was usually groups that went off together, but upon arrival, everything I have said is accurate. And the title was "Establish a new family on Earth". >> >>Haul in many tons of technology, materials, tools, food, oxygen, water >>and repair parts by some means. >> >>While working in pressure suits... >> >>Install power system. >> > > Self-contained. No 'installation' required. So it it going to get out of the transport vehicle, site itself, then connect itself, no assembly required? >> >>Put up a radiation sheilded structure or bury a non-shielded staructure. >> > > In other words, 'dig a hole'. Yes, a very big hole, put your shelter in in, and cover it up, all while in a pressure suit. > All of the following is pretty much also self-contained and automated, > so all your 'install' and 'set up' is pretty much non-existent. Utter nonsense. None that stuff is going to get out of the transport vehicle, site itself, then connect itself, no assembly required. >> >>Install pressurization system with oxygen tanks and CO2 scrubbers. >> >>Install water tanks and plumbing system with toilets and refuse system. >> >>Install heating system. >> >>Install water recyling system and refuse to fertilizer system. >> >>Set up system to generate oxygen from rocks and pipe it into the structue. >> >>Set up system to mine ice, melt it, purify it, and pipe it into the >>structure tanks. >> > > So to this point your 'install' and 'set up' amounts to plugging in > some power and water conduits. Site leveling, movement, and connections at the minimum assuming everything is pre assembled, all while in a pressure suit. > > What follows only applies if you intend to farm. Jim may not be > aware, but we've moved away from agrarian societies over the last > several centuries. The space cadet may not be aware, but we moved away from agrarian societies at the end of the 19th century when farm machinery was invented and farming became much less labor intensive. The space cadet may not be aware, but the priorities on Mars would be to ensure a constant supply of air, water, and food, in that order. >> >>Set up pressurized environment to grow food and connect to the power, >>water, and oxygen system. >> >>Plant seeds. >> >>While waiting for the first crop, eat the tons of provisions you brought >>with you. >> >>Prey nothing breaks and if it does that you have a repair part. >> >>The oldest technology you have is mid 20th century. >> >>Everything you have is made by machines in factories. >> >>The raw materials for the things you have had to be gathered from all >>over the Earth. >> >>Aluminum, for example, comes from Australia, Brazil, China, India, Guinea, >>Indonesia, Jamaica, Russia and Suriname, but not Pittsburg. >> >>The lowest technology items you have are your aluminum alloy cooking utensils. >> > > You can't cook in cast iron anymore? Wow, who knew? Sure you can, but only an idiot would chose cast iron over aluminum for Mars if for no other reason than the weight penalty. -- Jim Pennino
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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 23:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 22:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 17:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:53 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 18:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 03:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 21:39 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:01 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:39 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 16:53 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:22 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 18:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 01:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 20:23 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 04:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 22:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:48 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 23:43 +0000
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