Philosophy Departments lead in GenAI Adoption? (Was: The Ben Goertzel talkie genes)

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics
Subject	Philosophy Departments lead in GenAI Adoption? (Was: The Ben Goertzel talkie genes)
Date	2026-09-22 20:11 +0200
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Hi,

Today I was joking about philosophy departments, which
over the last 10-20 years rather showed deflationary
stance towards the formalist approaches.

 > Also GitHub not really follows the model of
 > paywalled papers, when the repo lands in the
 > public sphere. But watch out for licenses.

What changes the picture completely, is that
the Pawlowski paper, from 10. Sept, already
contains a Lean formalization link, to a

GitHub repository. While the Almeida & Knudstorp
paper, from 11. Sept, posits only a Lean formalization
claim. So Pawlowski relieves the community from

doing an initial formalization. While Almeida &
Knudstorp might provide one in the future or
rely on some community efforts:

Medvedev Logic is Π⁰₁-Complete
https://github.com/Haptism89/medvedev-lean

Compare to the prolog-agent-toolkit AI slop,
running the Lean code through a Lean verifyer
seems to be the easier way do get more certainty

that the thing does what it is supposed to do.
But of course it requires trust into Lean and
their Mathlib. So the use of generative AI didn’t

impeach trust, but what will possibly improve
trust is the provision of a Lean proof artefact.
That philosophy departments seem to have a more easy

going with AI, has recently emerged in more
benevolent reception of generative AI, maybe they
like the messy output which resembles the messy

human thinking they sometimes study. Dr. Paweł
Pawłowski is a post-doctoral researcher in
philosophical logic, CLPS, Ghent University, Belgium.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I sometimes feel I have the Ben Goertzel
> talkie genes, although logic programming
> has so many papers, it was probably born
> to be discussed over and over again,
> 
> and many here can even produce more text
> than me. Only not every text matches your
> demands and feelings, and somehow there is
> a perceived gap dealing with
> 
> the very recent developments in the public
> view and there is also no guidance. The
> bunker bros papers from EU about Artificial
> Intelligence regulations are already old hats,
> 
> and do not match the new Sword of Damocles
> discourse, they had focus like privacy,
> algorithmic decision making and protecting
> minorities. Now its about the elite mathematicians.
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  > > People publish slop, not computers
>>  > I nowhere blamed computers.
>>
>> Well I did not try to envision something
>> superintelligent. But I notice search engines
>> are recently becoming a little omisentient,
>> when I asked for bakage.toml,
>>
>> the AI Gemini was quickly finding the prolog
>> agent toolkit repo, but at the sametime laughing
>> at me, and telling me, bakage.toml is probably
>> a halucination,
>>
>> since it also inspected the other repositories,
>> like Scryer related and confirmed there is no
>> bakage.toml . So it is possibly up to you how
>> much “autonomy” you
>>
>> want to give to your software agents.
>> Mostlikely the advanced software agents will
>> anyways kind of “autocorrect” the mistake inside
>> the AI slop, you
>>
>> could check in random noise into a repo, and
>> it would try to make sense out of it
>> nevertheless. Is this a win or loss for humanity,
>> the increasing
>>
>> “automony”, or a clear sign of P(doom) > 50% ?
>> I don’t know , somebody (*) recently claimed
>> on youtube you need AGI to correctly
>> estimate P(doom).
>>
>> So on purpose I tried to only illustrate the
>> ideas of “ingestion problem” and " agentic AI
>> collaboration", and use tools and processes,
>> to not stear additional fear, people are already
>>
>> completely stressed out. (**) Also completely
>> unable to articulate themselves.
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> (*)
>>
>> Dario’s (likely half-sincere) AI Slowdown proposal
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAhbxcVdW10
>>
>> (**)
>>
>> Facing meltdown?
>> Over 75% of adults experience chronic stress or burnout
>> symptoms driven by financial pressures, constant digital
>> connectivity, and modern lifestyle demands
>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/feb/15/75-of-people-suffer-from-burnout-what-you-need-to-know 
>>
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It pretty much emerges that python will
>>> suffer from the small hands Paradox.
>>> We are curently in this phase of the python
>>> programming language evolution:
>>>
>>> Maastrichtian
>>> The Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event
>>> (formerly known as the Cretaceous–Tertiary
>>> extinction event)[a] occurred at the end of
>>> this age.[3] In this mass extinction, many
>>> commonly recognized groups such as non-avian
>>> dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs,
>>> as well as many other lesser-known groups,
>>> died out. The cause of the extinction is most
>>> commonly linked to an asteroid about 10 to
>>> 15 kilometres (6.2 to 9.3 mi) wide[4][5]
>>> colliding with Earth, ending the Cretaceous.
>>>
>>> It already happened to most of the Python tooling:
>>>
>>> [Write Code] ➔
>>>      [Lint with Ruff] ➔
>>>      (Rust: Blazing)
>>>
>>>      [Install with uv] ➔
>>>      (Rust: Blazing)
>>>
>>>      [Execute Program]
>>>      (Python: Extremely Slow)
>>>
>>> LoL
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> P.S.: How about Mojo as a successor of Python?
>>>
>>> Mojo is a programming language for Linux and
>>> macOS.[10][11] It is a systems programming language
>>> with semantics inspired by Rust such as static
>>> typing and a borrow checker,[12][13] but uses a
>>> syntax designed to be reminiscent of Python
>>> (like Nim and Julia).
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_(programming_language)
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Remember when first all local AI was Python
>>>> and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people started
>>>> using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:
>>>>
>>>> How it started:
>>>>
>>>> GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
>>>> language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
>>>> in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
>>>> generative pre-trained transformer model
>>>> designed to produce human-like text that
>>>> continues from a prompt.
>>>> https://www.eleuther.ai/
>>>>
>>>> How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:
>>>>
>>>> So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
>>>> some calculations and I figure out “Okay, 65
>>>> billion parameters. You probably need about
>>>> 40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
>>>> this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?”
>>>>
>>>> Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
>>>> for all that I saw it’s pretty much GPT-J architecture
>>>> with some modifications, like some extra memorization
>>>> layers. It’s minor changes. Basically, again, the
>>>> existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
>>>> modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
>>>> https://changelog.com/podcast/532
>>>>
>>>> Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
>>>> Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
>>>> ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>
>>
>

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              Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting (Re: Food for thought: Le Petit Bistro as a Trinity Use Case) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-02 21:55 +0200
                Google holds the keys to the AI kingdom [WebClaw Dominance] (Was: Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0200
      Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging (Re: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Taskfreak <taskfreak@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 13:58 -0500
        Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Was: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:46 +0200
          npm install webgpu [Google Dawn] (Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 03:03 +0200
            GPU elasticity was already invented in 2008 with CUDA (Re: npm install webgpu [Google Dawn]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 00:01 +0200
    Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 09:17 +0200
      Re: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) x3 <x@x.net> - 2026-08-08 11:45 -0700
        Nice try Rossy Boy --> **plonk** (Was: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 23:02 +0200
          Ethernal September Idiots Gone (Was: Nice try Rossy Boy --> **plonk**) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 23:15 +0200
      Six Proofs and Generally Inteligent Systems [EyeProlog Pseudo Scientism] (Re: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-15 15:19 +0200
        Everybody does eat and sleep [The SK hynix Story] (Was: Six Proofs and Generally Intelligent Systems [EyeProlog Pseudo Scientism]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-15 18:47 +0200
  Even send_color and recv_color can block [Cerebras Waver] (Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:39 +0200
  GPU Elasticity: Collective Communications Libraries (Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-07 14:35 +0200
    What are Flits and Phits? [Network on a Chip] (Was: GPU Elasticity: Collective Communications Libraries) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-07 18:05 +0200
      The Mac Neo is a Budget Monster [GPU Channels] (Re: What are Flits and Phits? [Network on a Chip]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-11 16:25 +0200
        The luminaries of duct-tape engineering [Sweeney and Torvald] (Re: The Mac Neo is a Budget Monster [GPU Channels]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-11 16:54 +0200
  Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-09 21:19 +0200
    Re: Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 14:56 +0200
    Giant Shoulders for AI Surprises (Was: Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 14:57 +0200
      Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog? [Prolog Education Group] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 16:23 +0200
        How to shoot yourself in the foot (Was: Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog? [Prolog Education Group]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 16:42 +0200
        William A. Howard solved all his 99 problems (Re: Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-23 01:47 +0200
  Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-15 14:31 +0200
    More from the Trailer Park Boys (Re: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-15 19:41 +0200
      Interdisplinary Research for kill -9 (SIGKILL) (Was: More from the Trailer Park Boys) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-16 13:23 +0200
        Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping (Re: Interdisplinary Research for kill -9 (SIGKILL)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-19 13:17 +0200
          Mathematical cheese versus "intuition" (Re: Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 10:23 +0200
            Re: Mathematical cheese versus "intuition" (Re: Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:09 +0200
            A real Terence Tao Ingestion Problem (Was: Mathematical cheese versus "intuition") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:10 +0200
              The A2A project: Agent cards for collaboration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:30 +0200
    Self censoring of not talking "superintelligence" (Was: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 18:00 +0200
      The Ben Goertzel talkie genes (Was: Re: Self censoring of not talking "superintelligence") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 18:06 +0200
        Philosophy Departments lead in GenAI Adoption? (Was: The Ben Goertzel talkie genes) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 20:11 +0200

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