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The A2A project: Agent cards for collaboration)

From Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics
Subject The A2A project: Agent cards for collaboration)
Date 2026-09-22 16:30 +0200
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Hi,

I just wrote:
 > Basically subscribing to the open source dream
 > of Linux, that many eyes can flatten out bugs. But
 > this is contra-productive to use strong tools and
 > then wait for weak humans!

If the agent AI used to produce the AI slop, would
be named. One could fork the repo. Do some change
using the same AI. And do a pull request. Maybe I

am mistaken, but on a first sight, it is not so evident,
whether a) there is attempt to hide that it is AI slop,
or b) whether there is some agent card included in

the project, so that one could continue where
others left off. After all GitHub is based
on the idea of forking and sharing.

Bye

P.S.: I complete made that up that an agent card
would help. But I derived it from the A2A project.
So this is the speculative part of my post. Maybe

there are other solutions, to still have humans in
the loop, in a more meaningful way, in that the tools
are also shared. In this case adressing the agentic

AI that made the AI slop.

 > Food for thought: Does your Agent have a Card?
 > 
https://discourse.prolog-lang.org/t/food-for-thought-does-your-agent-have-a-card/206

While the A2A project casts the agent card as a solution
to interoperability. Maybe its also key to group
cooperation, keeping the human in the loop and giving

them strong tools, and not use AI slop to
build silly weak fortresses.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> The post is only proof of the Terence Tao
> ingestion problem hypothesis. That we are not
> anymore able to process content, and that
> even trust is destroyed.
> 
> The AI slop presented here as a “safe” prolog
> agent toolkit, halucinates things like. And it
> does so consistently across many pages, still it
> wants to provide “safety”:
> 
> ### Bakage (`bakage.toml`)
> The package manifest format used by Scryer Prolog to
> declare project metadata, exported modules, and dependencies.
> https://github.com/dougransom/prolog-agent-toolkit
> 
> While I don’t find any evidence for such a
> manifest file. Its rather:
> 
> A package is a directory with a scryer-manifest.pl
> following this schema: etc..
> https://github.com/bakaq/bakage
> 
> That the post has even likes from field experts
> like Moura from Logtalk and Torbjorn from Web
> Prolog, shows that a) you can post any nonsense
> on GitHub people
> 
> will clap, and b) this forum is useless only
> spreading AI slop. So while everybody is talking
> about provenance and justification, as a desiderata,
> the prolog agent toolkit is
> 
> just an example of unhinged free wheeling analogical
> reasoning, probably taking phrases such as cargo.toml
> as a blue print and projecting them into phrases
> such aa bakage.toml.
> 
> I still think a tool breaks when its weakest
> chain link break, even if people take this as a
> joke of mine. But well you are all free to give it
> a try, like running AI homunculi as a new sport.
> 
> Bye
> 
> (*)
> 
> 
>  > Terence Tao
>  > I have recently made the point that out of three
>  > major components of the mathematical problem
>  > solving process - proof generation, proof
>  > verification, and proof digestion
>  > https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/116551624228986501
> 
> P.S.: Such repos are useless if there is no way
> to cockpit the original agentic AI used. You would
> need to go through the route of tickets and GitHub
> issues to fix problems.
> 
> Basically subscribing to the open source dream
> of Linux, that many eyes can flatten out bugs. But
> this is contra-productive to use strong tools and
> then wait for weak humans!
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The idea that mathematics is based on a universal bowel
>> movement system, that needs to learn and use "right and
>> natural" math, is already disproved by our Indian vegetarian
>>
>> visitors here, that can even not digest Swiss Cheese. So
>> lets declare repeating a canon a dead skill in the age of
>> LLMs, and dig deeper what intelligence could mean.
>>
>> There is a thesis and ongoing product development:
>>
>> On the Measure of Intelligence François Cholle author
>> of the notable book "Deep Learning with Python"
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1911.01547
>>
>> Ndea is building frontier AI systems that blend intuitive pattern
>> recognition and formal reasoning into a unified architecture.
>> https://ndea.com/about
>>
>> What about putting "right and natural" aside. And train
>> mathematical intuition? Maybe the pressure of the moon
>> race and cold war is lacking? And P(doom) is even
>>
>> the wrong wakeup call, but a genius pressure cooker!
>>
>> LoL
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Even Philip Wadler sounds like he has seen the
>>> first Apocalyptic horse rider. But what do these
>>> hardcore formalists think, that we go with a
>>>
>>> 2300-year old Aristotelian inferencing like Modus
>>> Barbara (*) into the next decade of 2030?
>>>
>>> All humans are mortal
>>> All Greeks are humans
>>> --------------------------------
>>> Therefore all Greeks are mortal
>>>
>>> Or as the formalists like to write it, but this
>>> is already a "fucked up" chain rule:
>>>
>>> ∀x (M(x) → S(x))
>>> ∀x (G(x) → M(x))
>>> ─────────────────
>>> ∴ ∀x (G(x) → S(x))
>>>
>>> Its just various camps fighting world domination:
>>>
>>> Everybody Wants To Rule The World
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqItaKDc6oI
>>>
>>> And the winner in the P(doom) bottom race is:
>>>
>>> CEO Jensen Huang: Zero Probability P(doom) in 2030
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlY7DI5v4ZU
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> (*)
>>> History of formal logic - III. Logic of Terms
>>> Bochenski, Joseph M. - 1961
>>> https://archive.org/details/historyofformall00boch/page/210/mode/2up
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>  > Hi,
>>>  >
>>>  > Woa! The public now marveling at the cascade
>>>  > LLM, LRM and now Swarms. And little software
>>>  > agents posting PERMADEATH.
>>>  >
>>>  > How it started:
>>>  >
>>>  > The co-evolution of AI and systems with Lidong Zhou
>>>  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVuJuGwkSu0
>>>  >
>>>  > How its going:
>>>  >
>>>  > This Is the AI Agent Story That Scared Me
>>>  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aw3MF8pY3w
>>>  >
>>>  > They are all clueless that Strong AI, requires
>>>  > to go from in vitro , to in vivo, usually called
>>>  > situated AI. Applies also to swarms:
>>>  >
>>>  > "Being situated is generally considered to be part
>>>  > of being embodied, but it is useful to consider
>>>  > each perspective individually. The situated
>>>  > perspective emphasizes that intelligent behavior
>>>  > derives from the environment and the agent's
>>>  > interactions with it. The nature of these
>>>  > interactions are defined by an agent's embodiment."
>>>  > 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situated_approach_(artificial_intelligence) 
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  > And emergence of private languages is nothing new.
>>>  > I am pretty sure the interested reader will find
>>>  > some 30 year old papers of in vitro simulations,
>>>  >
>>>  > of software agents developing pebbel languages.
>>>  >
>>>  > Have Fun!
>>>  >
>>>  > Bye
>>
> 

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              Prolog inferencing and not canvasing fancy stuff (Re: Texture inside my compute shader makes no sense) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:42 +0200
                It’s called . . . . enshittification (About the price tag for using a multifile/1) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-14 00:49 +0200
        First AI laptops, now AI single-boarders [Budget, Budget, ..] (Was: NPUs doing 2d chess comms (Manhattan Distance or L1 Norm)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-26 00:07 +0200
          Food for thought: ISOMICRO profile of Web Prolog (Was: First AI laptops, now AI single-boarders [Budget, Budget, ..]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-31 18:02 +0200
            Food for thought: Le Petit Bistro as a Trinity Use Case (Was: Food for thought: ISOMICRO profile of Web Prolog) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
              Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting (Re: Food for thought: Le Petit Bistro as a Trinity Use Case) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-02 21:55 +0200
                Google holds the keys to the AI kingdom [WebClaw Dominance] (Was: Giga Lips for Prolog based Chatting) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0200
      Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging (Re: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Taskfreak <taskfreak@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 13:58 -0500
        Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Was: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:46 +0200
          npm install webgpu [Google Dawn] (Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 03:03 +0200
            GPU elasticity was already invented in 2008 with CUDA (Re: npm install webgpu [Google Dawn]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 00:01 +0200
    Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 09:17 +0200
      Re: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project] (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) x3 <x@x.net> - 2026-08-08 11:45 -0700
        Nice try Rossy Boy --> **plonk** (Was: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 23:02 +0200
          Ethernal September Idiots Gone (Was: Nice try Rossy Boy --> **plonk**) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-08 23:15 +0200
      Six Proofs and Generally Inteligent Systems [EyeProlog Pseudo Scientism] (Re: Synthetic Multilanguage Autoformalization Dataset [Informath project]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-15 15:19 +0200
        Everybody does eat and sleep [The SK hynix Story] (Was: Six Proofs and Generally Intelligent Systems [EyeProlog Pseudo Scientism]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-15 18:47 +0200
  Even send_color and recv_color can block [Cerebras Waver] (Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:39 +0200
  GPU Elasticity: Collective Communications Libraries (Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-07 14:35 +0200
    What are Flits and Phits? [Network on a Chip] (Was: GPU Elasticity: Collective Communications Libraries) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-07 18:05 +0200
      The Mac Neo is a Budget Monster [GPU Channels] (Re: What are Flits and Phits? [Network on a Chip]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-11 16:25 +0200
        The luminaries of duct-tape engineering [Sweeney and Torvald] (Re: The Mac Neo is a Budget Monster [GPU Channels]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-11 16:54 +0200
  Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-09 21:19 +0200
    Re: Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 14:56 +0200
    Giant Shoulders for AI Surprises (Was: Cristallina: Thank you for the Beam) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 14:57 +0200
      Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog? [Prolog Education Group] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 16:23 +0200
        How to shoot yourself in the foot (Was: Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog? [Prolog Education Group]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-18 16:42 +0200
        William A. Howard solved all his 99 problems (Re: Loderunner Enemy AI better than SWI-Prolog?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-23 01:47 +0200
  Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-15 14:31 +0200
    More from the Trailer Park Boys (Re: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-15 19:41 +0200
      Interdisplinary Research for kill -9 (SIGKILL) (Was: More from the Trailer Park Boys) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-16 13:23 +0200
        Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping (Re: Interdisplinary Research for kill -9 (SIGKILL)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-19 13:17 +0200
          Mathematical cheese versus "intuition" (Re: Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 10:23 +0200
            Re: Mathematical cheese versus "intuition" (Re: Kundalini III: Modus Barbara versus Stock Pumping) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:09 +0200
            A real Terence Tao Ingestion Problem (Was: Mathematical cheese versus "intuition") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:10 +0200
              The A2A project: Agent cards for collaboration) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 16:30 +0200
    Self censoring of not talking "superintelligence" (Was: Mojo: The Small Hands Paradox [Maastrichtian Stage]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 18:00 +0200
      The Ben Goertzel talkie genes (Was: Re: Self censoring of not talking "superintelligence") Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 18:06 +0200
        Philosophy Departments lead in GenAI Adoption? (Was: The Ben Goertzel talkie genes) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-09-22 20:11 +0200

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