Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM])

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.logic, comp.lang.prolog, sci.physics
Subject	Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM])
Date	2026-07-20 08:33 +0200
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Hi,

Its actually quite amazing. Gemini, DeepSeek,
OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov. I have asked
the IntelliJ integrated Freeium AI to generate

some code for me, I guess their service uses
by default OpenAI (Codex), and had it reviewed
by Gemini and DeepSeek. These AIs started lecturing

me about lazySet() in Java. But I went with set():

     private static boolean enqueue(Queue q, Object data) {
         int pos = q.enqueuePos.get();
         for (; ; ) {
             int index = pos & q.bufferMask;
             int seq = q.sequences.get(index);
             int dif = seq - pos;
             if (dif == 0) {
                 if (q.enqueuePos.compareAndSet(pos, pos + 1)) {
                     q.data[index] = data;
                     q.sequences.set(index, pos + 1);
                     return true;
                 }
                 pos = q.enqueuePos.get();
             } else if (dif < 0) {
                 return false;
             } else {
                 pos = q.enqueuePos.get();
             }
         }
     }

The above version seems to be more suitable
for my purpose, since it allows polling, it
basically implements offer(). While the

version posted on in the lock free group
by Chris M. Thomasson implements a spin wait
blocking put() already.

But I didn't port it yet to JavaScript or WGSL.
Currently busy with realizing a Worker facade
in JavaScript for a CPU backend that will run

in both the browser and node.js.

Bye

Chris M. Thomasson schrieb:
> On 7/19/2026 2:04 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: 
>> I am friends with Dmitry Vyukov from way back, 23+ years ago. Actually, I helped him find some bugs in Relacy when it was in pre-alpha way back on comp.programming.threads. Also, I created some neat eventcount algos, read all:
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/mratsim/04a29bdd98d6295acda4d0677c4d0041
>>
>> For starters... ;^)
> 
> 
> also, I made a neat alteration to one of Dmitry Vyukov MPMC queues, check it out:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/lock-free/c/acjQ3-89abE/m/a6-Di0GZsyEJ
> 
> can you get to the link? Thanks. Read all. 


Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner
> I spin on CAS loops for my dinner
> Some call it busy-wait, I call it fate
> When the queue is empty, I just rotate
> 
> 2 Producer threads, 2 Consumer threads
> Each Producer generating 8192 items
> the single common channel between
> them 128 elements large.
> 
> public class DmitryVyukov
> 8 ms
> public class DougLea
> 10 ms
> 
> On the Ryzen AI 7 350 which has 8 physical
> cores with hyperthreading, making it 16
> logical cores.
> 
> LoL
> 
> Bye
> 
> See also:
> 
> Producer-Consumer Queues by Dmitry Vyukov
> https://sites.google.com/site/1024cores/home/lock-free-algorithms/queues
> 
> Steve Miller Band - The Joker (Official Music Video)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3AziKTBUo
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ok I was looking at this learning challenge,
>> producing vector (y1,y2,y3,y4) from a vector
>> (x1,x2,x3,x4), System R can do it via least square?
>>
>> | 0 0 0 1 |   | x1 |     | x4 |
>> | 0 0 1 0 |   | x2 |  =  | x3 |
>> | 0 1 0 0 |   | x3 |     | x2 |
>> | 1 0 0 0 |   | x4 |     | x1 |
>>
>> How it started:
>>
>> "multiplicative RNNs arises naturally from a
>> proof-theoretic interpretation of next-token
>> prediction as nested intuitionistic implication"
>> Paul Tarau - 2026
>> https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.19915
>>
>> How its going:
>>
>> "Dave uses a PDP-11 to train a real Neural
>> Network complete with Transformers and
>> Attention so you can see them at their most basic."
>> Mr. Taskmanager - 2026
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g
>>
>> We see Doctor Frankstein in action from
>> the Bronze Age of Computing, producing
>> a Humunkulus, the progenitor of todays
>>
>> Bulgakov Shuriks in the Hyperscale Age!
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> P.S.: My impression neither cut to the core, that
>> this incredible transformer most likely
>> produced this deterministic attention:
>>
>> | -1 | * | k | + | 5 | = | k' |
>>
>> Or differently expressed y_k = x_{5-k}.
>>
>> How did the transformer do it? It produced
>> a neural network with 1216 parameters, but
>> didn't use embeddings or polar encoding
>>
>> of positions. But if we strip the noise
>> and denoise from the position encoding,
>> the denoise is done via softmax. We somehow
>>
>> must get the above, right? I still need to
>> verify my claim! BTW: The PDP-11 assembly
>> from 1979 uses wider example not with n=4
>>
>> but with n=8.
>

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I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM] (Re: Paul Tarau versus Mr. Taskmanager, who would win? [A PDP-11 Humunkulus from 1979] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-19 11:55 +0200
  Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov (Re: I'm a spinner, I'm a sinner [Dmitry Vyukov for pi-WAM]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 08:33 +0200
    The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 13:54 +0200
      Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:10 +0200
        The large memory tax: ECC RAM (Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 14:23 +0200
        Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 12:26 -0700
          Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) R Kym Horsell <kymhorsell@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 22:20 +0000
            Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:39 +0200
              Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU (Was: Friendly Reminder: GPU 10x more performant than CPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:56 +0200
                Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser. (Was: Breaking the CUDA edge in AI by WebGPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:05 +0200
                If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI] (Re: Like WebAssembly before it, WebGPU has "escaped" the browser.) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 22:57 +0200
                What would an EMACS guru say [Windows Recall] (Re: If you are paranoid you can use Falco [Agentic AI]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 23:35 +0200
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                Maybe change your hobby, become a dog owner? (Was: How confused is tiny winy penis?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 09:37 +0200
                Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis] (Re: Decide what you critique tiny winy penis ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:19 +0200
                node.js has also Worker isolation , headless (Was: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:29 +0200
                Abyss hobby interpretation vs. professional understanding [Keep up with the Kardashians] (Re: node.js has also Worker isolation , headless) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 11:38 +0200
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                My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts? (Re: Even dogs know Switzerland != Germany [Syphilis Brain Micro Penis]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:15 +0200
                Same nickname and email, could post faster [5 year old moron] (Re: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts? ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:25 +0200
                I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch (Re: My Swift Go 16 AI has no IMEI, are you nuts?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:41 +0200
                Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts! (Re: I have nothing to hide, you can find me in search.ch) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:48 +0200
                Ask a Ukrainian Neighbour to do Detective [CCCP Troll] (Re: Where did I confirm German via .ch, you are more than nuts! ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 14:51 +0200
          Re: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines] (Re: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 21:36 -0700
            rossy boy is going paranoid (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:01 +0200
              Re: rossy boy is going paranoid (Was: Just RTFM the RDNA 3.5 specs! [GPU Cache Lines]) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 00:56 -0700
      L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU (Was: The Cache Identity Crisis by Micro Penis( Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:35 +0200
        GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Was: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 19:40 +0200
          Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Re: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Was: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:02 +0200
            Where is micro penis mental error? (Re: Well thats good, co-location, onto the same processor die (Re: GPU Cache Hierarchy: Understanding L1, L2, and VRAM (Was: L1,..,Ln caches are located on the CPU AND on the GPU) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 22:07 +0200
    I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI all know Dmitriy V'jukov) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-20 23:26 +0200
      There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:15 +0200
        OpenGL is dead. Apple said bye bye / Wayland Compositor (Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 00:26 +0200
        Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL (Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:39 +0200
          imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity (Re: Flogging a Dead Horse, OpenGL is EOL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:40 +0200
            capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system (Re: imageAtomicAdd trivial, Dmitry Vyukov requires capacity) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:41 +0200
              Source of the benchmark for DmitryVyukov (Was: capacity = 2^n for some n / systolic system) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 01:44 +0200
        Re: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL (Re: I didn't find Futex in WebGPU / WGSL) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 16:59 -0700
          I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later (Was: There is no imageAtomicAdd in WGSL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 08:47 +0200
            Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Re: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:02 +0200
              Why MIMD is interesting for pi-WAM? Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-21 09:18 +0200
              Re: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms (Re: I never used OpenGL Version 4.2 and later) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 13:34 -0700
                Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 00:09 +0200
                Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 00:53 +0200
                Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 18:00 -0700
                Re: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/ (Was: Because of MIMD you have to reassess algorithms) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 18:20 -0700
                Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Was: Do you see the loops, in C code and in Java code? /** Looping **/) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:44 +0200
                What does pi in pi-WAM mean? (Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:53 +0200
                OR-parallelism or AND-parallelism? [MapReduce] (Was: What does pi in pi-WAM mean?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 15:00 +0200
                It is all on GitHub , for the 100-th time! (Re: What does pi in pi-WAM mean?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 20:13 +0200

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