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  If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-28 20:25 -0800
    Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-28 20:50 -0800
    Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio   is Really a Time Ratio Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-29 05:55 +0100
      Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio   is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 05:53 -0800
        Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron   ratio   is Really a Time Ratio Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-30 04:41 +0100
          Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron   ratio   is Really a Time Ratio Sharleen Hagans <nnnsaa@nnnsaa.org> - 2016-12-30 03:51 +0000
            Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron   ratio   is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 20:08 -0800
            Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron     ratio   is Really a Time Ratio Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-01 06:14 +0100
          Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron   ratio   is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 20:07 -0800
    If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 07:27 -0800
      If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 12:07 -0800
        If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 13:05 -0800
          Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 13:19 -0800
            Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 14:16 -0800
              Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-29 19:49 -0800

#403244 — If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio 

Proton compared to Electron = (2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1836.1548459

(2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469

(1.49833385e+10*2 + 299792458)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469

solve (30.299792458^2) * 2 = 1836.154845995747363528

2e-18 / (c / 1e+16) = 6.6712819e-11

0.5109989461 * ((30.2997745373^2) * 2) = 938.272081304 

solve (3^4/2^2 * pi^2 * 299.792458^-1  ) = 0.666659497

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+pi%5E2+*+299.792458%5E-1++)


If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the The Koide Formula is a Time Ratio Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koide_formula

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#403248

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-6, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio 
> 
> Proton compared to Electron = (2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1836.1548459
> 
> (2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469
> 
> (1.49833385e+10*2 + 299792458)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469
> 
> solve (30.299792458^2) * 2 = 1836.154845995747363528
> 
> 2e-18 / (c / 1e+16) = 6.6712819e-11
> 
> 0.5109989461 * ((30.2997745373^2) * 2) = 938.272081304 
> 
> solve (3^4/2^2 * pi^2 * 299.792458^-1  ) = 0.666659497
> 
> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+pi%5E2+*+299.792458%5E-1++)
> 
> 
> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the The Koide Formula is a Time Ratio Also
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koide_formula


solve 1/((137036^2)/(pi/2)^0.5 ) = 6.6740674559e-11

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+1%2F((137036%5E2)%2F(pi%2F2)%5E0.5+)+%3D

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#403250 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

Am 29.12.2016 05:25, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller:
> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

The question is still unsolved: what actually is mass?

I compare the features of mass to the stability of a gyroscope.

This spinning device is trying to stabilize its own axis of spin.

Now matter could be interpreted as 'timelike stable patterns' (of/in 
spacetime).

Since spacetime has a strange feature, which is called 'antisymmetric', 
the 'points' could build patterns. And the timelike stable ones are, 
what we call 'matter'.

So mass behaves timelike.

Timelike means: does not move very much or has low velocity (is inert).


The inverse to timelike is spacelike.

That means: does not need time to spread over some space.


This is the behaviour of static fields.


Now a (tiny) static field and around a stable mass is actually an atom.

And atoms are the constituents of matter.

But atoms are not composed from matter, but are 'patterns', hence are 
more or less made from nothing.

This is why celestial bodies could grow or you could create particle 
pairs (or dust) from nothing.


(In case you are interested, please have a look at my text:

https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 )


TH


>
> Proton compared to Electron = (2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1836.1548459
>
> (2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469
>
> (1.49833385e+10*2 + 299792458)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469
>
> solve (30.299792458^2) * 2 = 1836.154845995747363528
>
> 2e-18 / (c / 1e+16) = 6.6712819e-11
>
> 0.5109989461 * ((30.2997745373^2) * 2) = 938.272081304
>
> solve (3^4/2^2 * pi^2 * 299.792458^-1  ) = 0.666659497
>
> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+pi%5E2+*+299.792458%5E-1++)
>
>
> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the The Koide Formula is a Time Ratio Also
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koide_formula

Well, I would agree, but still prefer to draw things instead of making 
calculations.

TH

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#403342 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

Dec 28Thomas Heger
Am 29.12.2016 05:25, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller: 
> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio 

The question is still unsolved: what actually is mass? 

I compare the features of mass to the stability of a gyroscope. 

This spinning device is trying to stabilize its own axis of spin. 

I believe the question of what mass really is could be resolved with a proper model of the architecture of the Aether of Space Time

solve (3^4/2^2 * (1e+3*pi)^2 /0.666659497  ) = 299792458 

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+(1e%2B3*pi)%5E2+%2F0.666659497++)

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#403423 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

Am 29.12.2016 14:53, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller:
> Dec 28Thomas Heger
> Am 29.12.2016 05:25, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller:
>> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio
>
> The question is still unsolved: what actually is mass?
>
> I compare the features of mass to the stability of a gyroscope.
>
> This spinning device is trying to stabilize its own axis of spin.
>
> I believe the question of what mass really is could be resolved with a proper model of the architecture of the Aether of Space Time
>
> solve (3^4/2^2 * (1e+3*pi)^2 /0.666659497  ) = 299792458
>
> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+(1e%2B3*pi)%5E2+%2F0.666659497++)


I had tried to associate a cross product to natural patterns.

A cross product is used for spinning systems (like a gyroscope).

So I have an axis and something spinning around.

Now this picture is too oriented and we need to have more spherical 
patterns.

So we need three perpendicular axis of time and around it rotational 
patterns.

This would be shells around a mass and that would be: an atom.

Only this is a pattern and more or less nothing.

So the question is, whether or not you could create matter out of nothing.

The opposite would be: vanishing matter without a trace.

And for both exist examples.

One example for matter out of nowhere is called 'magic dust'.

This is dust without an obvious source at unusual places.

Another example is 'Growing Earth'.

For vanishing matter exists one famous example: 9/11.

The twin-towers went actually missing and 2/3 of the material was simply 
gone (see - for instance- 'Where did the Towers go?' by Judy Wood.)

Since your formula does not contain a cross product, you apparently 
missed an important point.

A good starting point would be the twenty original quaternion formulas 
by James Clark Maxwell.

His theories got crippled by Heaviside, who introduced the grossly 
inappropriate concept of vectors instead of quaternions, since 
quaternions are much better for fluids and similar.

So instead of Heaviside's reform, the way should better have gone into 
the direction of bi-quaternions.

Vectors are based on the idea of linear relations and sums, while 
quaternions are based on the idea of multiplicative connections and curves.

And straight lines are simply not found in nature. Neither found are 
circles, since the world we inhabit has volume.

TH

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#403426 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

Thomas Heger wrote:

> So we need three perpendicular axis of time and around it rotational
> patterns.

This so stupid as buying a 4 cm USB Male to Female Extension Adapter - 
Grey. Completely unneeded. Since you already have the Male part, and the 
Female part is mounted on the Device part.

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#403428 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 9:51:51 PM UTC-6, Sharleen Hagans wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> > So we need three perpendicular axis of time and around it rotational
> > patterns.
> 
> This so stupid as buying a 4 cm USB Male to Female Extension Adapter - 
> Grey. Completely unneeded. Since you already have the Male part, and the 
> Female part is mounted on the Device part.

Sharleen Hagans, Please Stop SHARTING HERE !!!

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#403665 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

Am 30.12.2016 04:51, schrieb Sharleen Hagans:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>> So we need three perpendicular axis of time and around it rotational
>> patterns.
>
> This so stupid as buying a 4 cm USB Male to Female Extension Adapter -
> Grey. Completely unneeded. Since you already have the Male part, and the
> Female part is mounted on the Device part.

Well, no.

Usual dimensionality of spacetime is: one axis of time plus three 
dimensions of space.

This is - for instance - depicted in this illustration:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/CMB_Timeline300_no_WMAP.jpg/350px-CMB_Timeline300_no_WMAP.jpg


from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

But one axis of time does not work in relativity.

Instead we need three axis in forward direction, plus three in backwards 
direction.

This builds a topology similar to a star tetrahedron.

The appropriate mathematical construct is a complex four-vector and 
something called 'Pauli algebra'.

And this is how the universe functions 'in real' (according to my theory):


https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6


TH

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#403427 — Re: If Mass is Directly Analogous to Time, The the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 9:41:50 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 29.12.2016 14:53, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller:
> > Dec 28Thomas Heger
> > Am 29.12.2016 05:25, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller:
> >> If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio
> >
> > The question is still unsolved: what actually is mass?
> >
> > I compare the features of mass to the stability of a gyroscope.
> >
> > This spinning device is trying to stabilize its own axis of spin.
> >
> > I believe the question of what mass really is could be resolved with a proper model of the architecture of the Aether of Space Time
> >
> > solve (3^4/2^2 * (1e+3*pi)^2 /0.666659497  ) = 299792458
> >
> > http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+(1e%2B3*pi)%5E2+%2F0.666659497++)
> 
> 
> I had tried to associate a cross product to natural patterns.
> 
> A cross product is used for spinning systems (like a gyroscope).
> 
> So I have an axis and something spinning around.
> 
> Now this picture is too oriented and we need to have more spherical 
> patterns.
> 
> So we need three perpendicular axis of time and around it rotational 
> patterns.
> 
> This would be shells around a mass and that would be: an atom.
> 
> Only this is a pattern and more or less nothing.
> 
> So the question is, whether or not you could create matter out of nothing.
> 
> The opposite would be: vanishing matter without a trace.
> 
> And for both exist examples.
> 
> Since your formula does not contain a cross product, you apparently 
> missed an important point.
> 
> A good starting point would be the twenty original quaternion formulas 
> by James Clark Maxwell.
>

https://goo.gl/photos/V9xbLnR42DKSDABc7
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion_group

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Cayley_graph_Q8.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_polygon

> 
> TH

Thanks Mr Heger

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#403258

If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the Proton Electron ratio is Really a Time Ratio 

Proton compared to Electron = (2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1836.1548459 

(2/G + c)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469 

(1.49833385e+10*2 + 299792458)^2*2e-18 = 1832.1183469 

solve (30.299792458^2) * 2 = 1836.154845995747363528 

2e-18 / (c / 1e+16) = 6.6712819e-11 

0.5109989461 * ((30.2997745373^2) * 2) = 938.272081304 

solve (3^4/2^2 * pi^2 * 299.792458^-1  ) = 0.666659497 

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(3%5E4%2F2%5E2+*+pi%5E2+*+299.792458%5E-1++) 


If Units of Mass is Directly Analogous to units of Time, Then the The Koide Formula is a Time Ratio Also 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koide_formula 

And it would allot of logic to Why a free neutron decays in around 1836.15/2 seconds

881.5 seconds 

((1836.15 * 0.980312065) / 2) / 881.5 = 1.02098695301

(1836.15 * 0.980312066008) / 2 =
900

98.0312066008 / 2 = 49.0156033004

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#403365

A black hole with an event horizon radius of 18.647 meters would be gobbling a kilogram of CMBR per second. 

4pi*18.64761437^3*c/2 * 510998 eV = 1kg
1.25e+28 kg = 18.5 meter radius 

CMBR has a mass/energy of about 0.5 of an electron per cubic meter of space time

So only when the cosmic microwave backround radiation cools from the expansion of the universe to such small numbers will larger black holes start diminishing in mass, as is expected, as the radiation leaving from the horizon diminishes the energy of the black hole

(1.258001526e+28 kg*c*hbar*tau)^0.5 = 49.9895177012
1/(c*49.9895177012) = G

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#403372

A black hole with an event horizon radius of 80.4 meters would be gobbling a kilogram of CMBR per second. 

(((4 * pi) * (80.5257762^2) * c) / 2) * (510998 eV) = 1 m3 kg / s3

1.65e+28 kg = 80.4 meters 

CMBR has a mass/energy of about 0.5 of an electron per cubic meter of space time

So only when the cosmic microwave backround radiation cools from the expansion of the universe to such small numbers will larger black holes start diminishing in mass, as is expected, as the radiation leaving from the horizon diminishes the energy of the black hole

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#403376

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 3:05:59 PM UTC-6, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> A black hole with an event horizon radius of 80.4 meters would be gobbling a kilogram of CMBR per second. 
> 
> (((4 * pi) * (80.5257762^2) * c) / 2) * (510998 eV) = 1 m3 kg / s3
> 
> 1.65e+28 kg = 80.4 meters 
> 
> CMBR has a mass/energy of about 0.5 of an electron per cubic meter of space time
> 
> So only when the cosmic microwave backround radiation cools from the expansion of the universe to such small numbers will larger black holes start diminishing in mass, as is expected, as the radiation leaving from the horizon diminishes the energy of the black hole

(((1.69223184e+28 kg) / (c^2)) * G) / (4 * pi) = 1 meters

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#403389

((1+299792458/(4pi* 80.4048815^4))*2 = pi

(((4 * pi) * (80.4048815^2) * c) / 2) * (510 998 eV) = 0.996999623

(((4 * pi) * (80.4048815^2) * c) / 2) * (0.512535803 MeV) = 1 m3 kg / s3

schwarzschild radius of 80.40488 meters 

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#403425

(4 * pi) * (5 * (c * 5.2917721067e-11)) = 0.996785482 

1 / (4.01289955 * pi * 5 * 5.2917721067e-11) = 299792457.009

Bohr radius, 5.2917721067e-11 m


(0.40145826341 * pi) * 5.2917721067e-11 = 6.67408e-11

(0.401289955 * pi) * 5.2917721067e-11 = 6.6712819e-11

0.4 / 0.40145826341 = 0.99636758402	

((4.0145826341 * 4.01289955)^0.5) * pi = 12.609539251

https://goo.gl/photos/4DspWXarDRrAe1T3A

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