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Words have power

Started byMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
First post2026-10-17 09:11 +0200
Last post2026-10-17 18:57 -0700
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  Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 09:11 +0200
    Re: Words have power Truman Babichev <avbb@bi.ru> - 2026-10-17 09:58 +0000
    Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:08 +0000
      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:25 +0200
        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:32 +0000
          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:46 +0200
            Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:49 +0000
              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:04 +0000
                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:14 +0200
                    Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:18 +0000
                      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:21 +0200
                        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:23 +0000
                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:29 +0200
                            Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:31 +0000
                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:36 +0200
                                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:38 +0000
                                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:44 +0200
                                    Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:46 +0000
                                      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:55 +0200
                                        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:57 +0000
                                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:09 +0200
                                            Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:39 +0000
                                              Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 19:03 -0700
                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:50 +0200
                      Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 11:24 -0700
                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:44 +0200
                          Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 12:02 -0700
                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 21:54 +0200
                              Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 13:31 -0700
                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:45 +0200
                                  Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 15:56 -0700
                          Re: Words have power Russell Bahmutoff <sm@temar.ru> - 2026-10-17 19:17 +0000
                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:19 +0200
                              Re: Words have power Fermin Ribakov <ifrbn@iobf.ru> - 2026-10-17 21:03 +0000
                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:46 +0200
                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:37 +0000
                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:47 +0200
                                  Re: Words have power Kevvy Ruzaev <vvavv@vrzrz.ru> - 2026-10-18 07:51 +0000
                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 10:16 +0200
                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:00 +0000
                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 13:54 +0200
                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:10 +0200
                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:13 +0000
                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:23 +0000
                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:39 +0200
                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:44 +0200
                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 10:43 +0000
                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:05 +0200
                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:15 +0000
                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:21 +0200
                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:53 +0200
                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 14:19 +0200
                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:31 +0000
                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 14:44 +0200
                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:59 +0000
                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 15:16 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 13:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 15:49 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 13:58 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:02 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:06 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:26 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:28 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:39 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 15:37 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 18:37 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:42 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 18:51 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:53 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:02 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:03 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:11 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:23 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:37 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:10 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:27 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 07:23 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 08:00 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 10:26 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 08:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 10:54 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 09:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:10 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:44 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 11:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 11:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:44 +0200
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:55 +0200
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 14:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 15:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 17:57 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 16:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 18:13 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 16:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 18:27 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 19:12 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 17:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 19:33 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:25 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 23:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 23:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 06:40 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 17:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 17:16 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 17:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 20:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 07:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 07:21 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 14:28 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 14:38 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 15:53 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 16:29 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 18:35 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 18:55 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 17:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 19:18 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 19:31 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 21:08 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 22:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 06:53 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:22 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:32 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:40 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:45 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:49 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:06 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:11 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:19 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:36 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:53 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:56 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:28 -0700
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                                                                                                                            Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 07:11 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Words have power Salvado Bazarov <avvazv@vzbb.ru> - 2026-10-19 19:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: Words have power "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 14:39 -0700
                                      Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 04:58 -0700
                                    Re: Words have power Dawn Rujenkov <jrdj@een.ru> - 2026-10-18 16:55 +0000
                        Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 13:34 -0700
                          Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 22:19 -0700
      Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-17 22:37 +0200
        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:47 +0200
        Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 19:00 -0700
          Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 12:30 +0200
            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 12:42 +0200
            Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 04:56 -0700
              Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 07:07 -0700
              Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 21:39 +0200
                Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 00:56 -0700
    Re: Words have power (perspective geomtry) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 09:15 -0700
      Re: Words have power (perspective geometry) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 18:57 -0700

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#674834

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-22 18:35 +0200
Message-ID<18e0e746668e0e12$41747$1970418$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674832
On 10/22/2026 5:23 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> If the clocks didn't fit your "perfection differently" - they
>> wouldn't be sent.
> 
> Ah, excellent. A new escape hatch: selection bias.
> 
> Unfortunately it still doesn't produce the number.

And even more unfortunately -
the REAL value of the difference
of the clock indications (i.e. your
time dilation), measured by correctly
calibrated clocks, as close to
perfection as our best  engineers
can get - is 0. Common  sense has
been warning your idiot guru.

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#674835

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-22 16:46 +0000
Message-ID<zAh7OTvlk_wXXgdt34ad6e8JBdE@jntp>
In reply to#674834
> the REAL value of the difference
> of the clock indications [...] is 0.

Yes.

AFTER COMPENSATION.

You keep presenting this as a revelation when it is literally the
purpose of the compensation.

NTS-2:

    correction OFF:
        predicted rate difference: +446.5 × 10^-12
        measured rate difference:  +442.5 × 10^-12

    correction ON:
        resulting difference: approximately 0

And your argument is:

    "LOOK! AFTER SUBTRACTING THE PREDICTED DIFFERENCE,
     THE DIFFERENCE IS GONE!"

Yes, Maciej.

That's what subtraction does.

The interesting experimental question was whether the difference
existed BEFORE it was subtracted.

It did.

Its value was measured.

And relativity had predicted its value before launch.

You still haven't explained +442.5 × 10^-12.

You just keep pointing triumphantly at the zero obtained after
engineers cancelled it.

Subtraction followed by amnesia.

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#674837

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-22 18:55 +0200
Message-ID<18e0e854ed9ed611$44063$1958670$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674835
On 10/22/2026 6:46 PM, Python wrote:
>> the REAL value of the difference
>> of the clock indications [...] is 0.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> AFTER COMPENSATION.
> 
> You keep presenting this as a revelation when it is literally the

Adjustment is THE KEY,  DECISIVE
factor here. Even such an idiot as
you are has admitted.

Now - your moronic prophet was too
dumb to even notice that the factor
exists and you're waving your arms and
screaming "LOOK!!!! A GREAT SUCCESS!!!
THE PROPHECY WORKS PERFECTLY!!! AS
LONG AS THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR IS
NOT  INVOLVED!!!"

It's not, of course,  that one could
expect  any better logic from a brainwashed
fanatic idiot.




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#674839

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-22 17:11 +0000
Message-ID<9rODQPozBHZgaQxw2QLVMWBxdHc@jntp>
In reply to#674837
Maciej,

You're looping.

> Adjustment is THE KEY, DECISIVE factor here.

For the FINAL clock indication.

Not for measuring what the clock does when that adjustment is OFF.

This really should not require another fifty posts.

NTS-2 deliberately did:

    adjustment OFF
    prediction: +446.5 × 10^-12
    measurement: +442.5 × 10^-12

Your response is still:

    "BUT ADJUSTMENT IS DECISIVE!"

Yes. That's why they switched it OFF.

The experiment was specifically designed to remove your "KEY, DECISIVE
factor" and measure the physical rate shift independently of it.

Then, after measuring the predicted shift, they switched the adjustment
ON and cancelled it for operational use.

You keep screaming that Einstein failed to predict the adjustment.

Nobody claims relativity predicts what knob an engineer will turn.

It predicts how far the knob needs to be turned.

And that is the number you have spent several days desperately avoiding:

    predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12
    measured:  +442.5 × 10^-12

Your "common sense" still predicts no number at all.

Apparently it is excellent at shouting "ADJUST THE CLOCK!" but becomes
remarkably shy when asked:

    BY HOW MUCH?

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#674840

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-22 19:18 +0200
Message-ID<18e0e999fbe9eca3$42699$1964278$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674839
On 10/22/2026 7:11 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
> You're looping.
> 
>> Adjustment is THE KEY, DECISIVE factor here.
> 
> For the FINAL clock indication.

And for time, i.e. "what clocks indicate",
poor piece of shit. It's not any magical
power of your moronic formulas, it's designing,
crafting and adjusting.

And, of course - if your mad religion succeeded
in forcing the users to adjust the clocks
its "PROPER!!! CORRECT!!! PERFECT!!! MATCHING
THE SI STANDARD!!!" way its mad prophecies
would be fulfilled.  But there was really
never any hope for that. Common sense has
been warning the idiot.

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#674841

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-22 17:21 +0000
Message-ID<h4jJ-2jEvMLz7AFlqZ3ZTT3CWwE@jntp>
In reply to#674840
Maciej,

> And for time, i.e. "what clocks indicate"

No. You are once again confusing three different things:

    1. how a physical clock naturally runs under given conditions;
    2. how engineers deliberately adjust it;
    3. what it indicates after that adjustment.

NTS-2 separated 1 and 2 experimentally.

With the relativistic correction DISABLED, the clock did not magically
choose its indication because an engineer "crafted" it that way.

Its orbital rate shifted.

    predicted before launch: +446.5 × 10^-12
    measured in orbit:       +442.5 × 10^-12

Then engineers deliberately changed its rate.

> if your mad religion succeeded in forcing the users to adjust the clocks

This is becoming hilarious.

Relativity did not "force" the clock to be adjusted so that its
prediction would come true.

THE PREDICTION CAME TRUE WITH THE ADJUSTMENT OFF.

The adjustment was applied afterwards to CANCEL the predicted effect.

You have now managed to reverse the chronology completely:

    relativity predicts X
    experiment with correction OFF measures X
    engineers later compensate X
    Maciej: "AHA! THE COMPENSATION CAUSED THE PROPHECY TO COME TRUE!"

No.

The prophecy had already come true.

The compensation made its operational consequence disappear.

And after all these posts, you still cannot answer the embarrassingly
simple question:

    Why did an uncorrected clock produce +442.5 × 10^-12
    when relativity had predicted +446.5 × 10^-12?

"DESIGNING! CRAFTING! ADJUSTING!"

is not a calculation.

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#674842

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-22 19:31 +0200
Message-ID<18e0ea567f288456$41753$1970418$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674841
On 10/22/2026 7:21 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> And for time, i.e. "what clocks indicate"
> 
> No.

Yes, poor piece of shit, yes.


And, of course - if your mad religion succeeded
in forcing the users to adjust the clocks
its "PROPER!!! CORRECT!!! PERFECT!!! MATCHING
THE SI STANDARD!!!" way its mad prophecies
would be fulfilled.  But there was really
never any hope for that. Common sense has
been warning the idiot.




>> if your mad religion succeeded in forcing the users to adjust the clocks
> 
> This is becoming hilarious.
> 
> Relativity did not "force" the clock to be adjusted so that its
> prediction would come true.

Of course it didn't - the clocks keep measuring
t'=t just like they always did. It was just
trying. Wasted efforts, common sense has been
warning the idiot.

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#674844

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-22 21:08 +0200
Message-ID<18e0ef9b7b3513f5$42706$1964278$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674842
On 10/22/2026 7:31 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote:

>>
>> Relativity did not "force" the clock to be adjusted so that its
>> prediction would come true.
> 
> Of course it didn't - the clocks keep measuring
> t'=t just like they always did. It was just
> trying. Wasted efforts, common sense has been
> warning the idiot.

You did your best, poor piece of shit.
You were chanting "PROPER!!! CORRECT!!!
PERFECT!!!" as loudly as you could. You
casted "bottles of vodka", "nurses" and
tons of  other shit at every opposition
you meet... Wasted efforts. The clocks
keep and will keep measuring t'=t, just
like they always did.



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#674849

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-22 22:04 +0000
Message-ID<8HypgGlNNjP43aNBxuNEBrNqEIo@jntp>
In reply to#674842
Maciej,

> the clocks keep measuring t'=t just like they always did.

No.

The NTS-2 clock, with the relativistic correction OFF, measured:

    t' != t

More precisely, its rate differed by:

    measured:  +442.5 × 10^-12

where relativity had predicted:

    predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12

Only AFTER compensation was the operational result brought back toward:

    t' = t

You are now simply taking the result AFTER engineers deliberately
cancelled the rate difference and pretending it was also the result
BEFORE they cancelled it.

It wasn't.

That's exactly why the first 20 days of NTS-2 matter.

Correction OFF: 442.5 × 10^-12.

Correction ON: approximately zero.

Your entire argument requires those two experiments to have had the
same result.

They didn't.

And shouting "t'=t" cannot retroactively change what the uncorrected
clock measured.

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#674858

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-23 06:53 +0200
Message-ID<18e10f878fc81781$123$2210059$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674849
On 10/23/2026 12:04 AM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> the clocks keep measuring t'=t just like they always did.
> 
> No.
> 
> The NTS-2 clock, with the relativistic correction OFF, measured:
> 
>     t' != t

As long as the key, decisive factor
wasn't involved.


> 
> You are now simply taking the result AFTER engineers deliberately

Excuse me, poor piece of shit, weren't
the clocks of Newtonian physicists
deliberately calibrated?

Your shitty revolution has changed NOTHING.
The clocks keep doing what they always
did, it's just that your bunch of fanatics
is grumbling that it's incorrect, improper
and dirty, and it shouldn't be taken into
account.


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#674863

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-23 09:01 +0000
Message-ID<l1nziLJKYKkag2XA2p_hyS1A9Xk@jntp>
In reply to#674858
Maciej,

> weren't the clocks of Newtonian physicists
> deliberately calibrated?

Of course.

And once again: calibration does not explain the number.

Calibrate two cesium clocks together on Earth.

Put one into the NTS-2 orbit.

Leave the relativistic correction OFF.

What happens?

Relativity, BEFORE launch:

    +446.5 × 10^-12

Experiment:

    +442.5 × 10^-12

"Newtonian physicists calibrated clocks too" predicts neither number.

> Your shitty revolution has changed NOTHING.

Except, inconveniently, the quantitative prediction of what happens
when that calibrated clock is moved into a different gravitational
potential and velocity.

That is precisely what was tested.

Your argument has now reached:

    "Clocks were calibrated before Einstein,
     therefore relativity predicts nothing about clocks."

Thermometers were calibrated before statistical mechanics too.

So what?

> The clocks keep doing what they always did

YES.

And relativity predicts what they do.

That is the part you keep desperately walking around.

Nobody needed Einstein to invent calibration.

They needed physics to calculate how much the clock rate would change.

NTS-2 supplied a wonderfully simple comparison:

    Einstein:      +446.5 × 10^-12
    experiment:    +442.5 × 10^-12
    Maciej:        "CLOCKS WERE CALIBRATED BEFORE EINSTEIN!"

Still waiting for your number.

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#674865

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-23 12:22 +0200
Message-ID<18e121843ff9f4d0$338$2205363$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674863
On 10/23/2026 11:01 AM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> weren't the clocks of Newtonian physicists
>> deliberately calibrated?
> 
> Of course.
> 
> And once again: calibration does not explain the number.
> 
> Calibrate two cesium clocks together on Earth.
> 
> Put one into the NTS-2 orbit.
> 
> Leave the relativistic correction OFF.
> 
> What happens?
> 
> Relativity, BEFORE launch:
> 
>     +446.5 × 10^-12
> 
> Experiment:
> 
>     +442.5 × 10^-12

See, poor piece of shit - science
has been working with scientists for
centuries. Its idiotproofness is
amazing. Even such a nonsensical
crap as The Shit of Einstein can
have some correct predictions and
be squeezed for some usable information.

And if your mad religion limited
itself to things it's familiar with,
including your "clock rates" I
wouldn't be here fighting it. But
no - it had to start babbling about
the indications of perfect clocks.
Too bad for it.

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#674867

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-23 10:27 +0000
Message-ID<noJLZC6LG6XNM3B9EvFddtrxO2s@jntp>
In reply to#674865
Maciej,

Ah.

So after several days of:

    "t'=t!"
    "just clock error!"
    "adjustment is THE KEY!"
    "your prophecy failed!"

we finally arrive at:

> Even such a nonsensical crap as The Shit of Einstein can
> have some correct predictions

Thank you.

That was the point.

Relativity predicted the orbital clock-rate shift quantitatively:

    predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12
    measured:  +442.5 × 10^-12

So the effect was not created by adjustment, calibration, religion,
terminology, or engineers being bullied by Einstein.

It was predicted and then measured with the correction OFF.

Now you retreat to:

> But [...] it had to start babbling about
> the indications of perfect clocks.

There is no retreat available there either.

An ideal clock in relativity is simply a theoretical clock whose
reading follows proper time along its worldline.

"Perfect" does NOT mean:

    "a clock magically adjusted so that its indication must remain
     equal to every other clock everywhere."

That is your definition, not relativity's.

And this distinction is exactly what the experiment demonstrates:
two clocks can be perfectly good clocks and nevertheless accumulate
different elapsed times along different worldlines.

You may dislike calling that "proper time".
You may dislike "ideal clock".
You may dislike Einstein.

But after finally conceding that the quantitative prediction is
correct, changing the vocabulary won't make

    442.5 × 10^-12

turn back into zero.

You've spent days fighting the physics.

Now that you've conceded the physics, you're fighting the dictionary.

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#674869

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-23 12:32 +0200
Message-ID<18e122061900cb2f$347$2205363$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674867
On 10/23/2026 12:27 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
> Ah.
> 
> So after several days of:
> 
>     "t'=t!"
>     "just clock error!"
>     "adjustment is THE KEY!"
>     "your prophecy failed!"
> 
> we finally arrive at:
> 
>> Even such a nonsensical crap as The Shit of Einstein can
>> have some correct predictions
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> That was the point.
> 
> Relativity predicted the orbital clock-rate shift quantitatively:

It has also predicted, also quantitatively -
difference in clock indication in GPS.
Bullshit, the measured value is 0, even such
a disgusting piece of lying shit as
you are is admitting that sometimes.

And if your mad religion limited
itself to things it's familiar with,
including your "clock rates" I
wouldn't be here fighting it. But
no - it had to start babbling about
the indications of perfect clocks.
Too bad for it.

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#674871

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-23 10:33 +0000
Message-ID<SjOop2Dgub9y2pT6hNNqoDaa3mc@jntp>
In reply to#674869
Maciej,

> It has also predicted, also quantitatively -
> difference in clock indication in GPS.
> Bullshit, the measured value is 0

No.

You are STILL confusing the physical prediction with the engineered
output after compensation.

Relativity predicts that, if you take suitable clocks along the two
different worldlines WITHOUT compensating their relative rates, their
elapsed-time readings diverge.

NTS-2 tested precisely that situation:

    relativistic correction OFF

    predicted fractional rate difference:
        +446.5 × 10^-12

    measured fractional rate difference:
        +442.5 × 10^-12

A nonzero rate difference accumulated over time IS a growing difference
in clock indications.

Then engineers compensated the rate difference so that GPS clocks would
remain aligned with GPS system time.

And, astonishingly:

    compensated difference ≈ 0

You keep calling that zero the "measured value" of the relativistic
effect.

It is the measured RESIDUAL AFTER CANCELLING the relativistic effect.

If

    natural drift = +38 µs/day

and engineers apply

    correction = -38 µs/day,

then obtaining

    residual ≈ 0

does not demonstrate that the natural drift was zero.

It demonstrates that the correction worked.

And this makes your new concession particularly fatal:

> including your "clock rates"

You now concede that relativity correctly predicts the clock-rate
difference.

Maciej, integrate a nonzero rate difference over time.

What do you get?

A difference in clock indications.

There is no magical firewall between "clock rates" and "clock
indications".

The latter is the integral of the former.

Your entire remaining argument is therefore:

    "I concede the derivative, but deny that integrating it
     changes the function."

Good luck with that.

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#674874

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-23 12:40 +0200
Message-ID<18e122782cf001f2$346$2210059$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674871
On 10/23/2026 12:33 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> It has also predicted, also quantitatively -
>> difference in clock indication in GPS.
>> Bullshit, the measured value is 0
> 
> No.

Yes. And even such a pathetic piece of
shit as you are is admitting it sometimes.

Let's try again: the indication of a clock
from GPS ground base is - 2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000.
What is the [measured] indication of a clock in
a GPS satellite?

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#674875

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-23 10:41 +0000
Message-ID<VDED9M-BW5Et9POWANnx8Filv4c@jntp>
In reply to#674874
Maciej,

> the indication of a clock from GPS ground base is -
> 2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000.
> What is the [measured] indication of a clock in
> a GPS satellite?

After the GPS clock has been deliberately frequency-offset and its
remaining clock offset/drift corrections have been applied?

Approximately:

    2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000

within the accuracy of the system.

Nobody disputes that.

Now remove the relativistic frequency compensation.

After one day, approximately:

    ground:      2026-10-24 15:00:00.000000
    satellite:   2026-10-24 15:00:00.000038

That's precisely the point.

You are asking me for the output AFTER engineers have deliberately
cancelled the predicted rate difference, obtaining approximately zero,
and pretending this measures the rate difference BEFORE cancellation.

It doesn't.

And you've just conceded that relativity correctly predicts the
"clock rates".

So your argument has become mathematically spectacular:

    d(satellite time - ground time)/dt != 0

but somehow, according to Maciej,

    satellite time - ground time = 0

forever.

Calculus would like a word.

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#674877

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-23 12:45 +0200
Message-ID<18e122c456a30f4a$361$2205363$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674875
On 10/23/2026 12:41 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> the indication of a clock from GPS ground base is -
>> 2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000.
>> What is the [measured] indication of a clock in
>> a GPS satellite?
> 
> After the GPS clock has been deliberately frequency-offset and its
> remaining clock offset/drift corrections have been applied?
> 
> Approximately:
> 
>     2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000
Yes. The real, measured value of the difference
in clock indications is - 0. Even such
a disgusting piece of lying shit is
admitting it, again.

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#674880

FromPython <python@cccp.invalid>
Date2026-10-23 10:49 +0000
Message-ID<nr-gYKL7WU1sDhoKjlMOFOi2rRE@jntp>
In reply to#674877
Maciej,

> The real, measured value of the difference
> in clock indications is - 0.

AFTER COMPENSATION.

Yes.

Nobody has denied this. Ever.

Now let's try your reasoning on something simpler:

    natural drift:       +38 µs/day
    applied correction:  -38 µs/day
    measured residual:     0 µs/day

Maciej concludes:

    "THE REAL MEASURED DRIFT IS ZERO!"

No.

The real measured RESIDUAL is zero.

The natural drift was measured separately, with the correction OFF.

And this is not hypothetical:

    NTS-2 correction OFF:
    measured rate shift = +442.5 × 10^-12

You are deliberately choosing the compensated observable and calling it
the uncompensated observable.

That's like applying a 10 kg counterweight, observing that a scale is
balanced, and triumphantly announcing:

    "THE REAL MEASURED WEIGHT IS ZERO!"

No.

The zero is the result AFTER compensation.

And the funniest part is that you have now conceded that relativity
correctly predicts the clock-rate difference.

So we have reached:

    nonzero rate difference: admitted
    compensation of that rate difference: admitted
    zero residual after compensation: admitted

and somehow your conclusion is:

    therefore the uncompensated rate difference never existed.

Subtraction followed by amnesia, again.

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#674882

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-10-23 12:51 +0200
Message-ID<18e123199ad30c59$367$2205363$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#674880
On 10/23/2026 12:49 PM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> The real, measured value of the difference
>> in clock indications is - 0.
> 
> AFTER COMPENSATION.
Adjustment is THE KEY,  DECISIVE
factor here. Even such an idiot as
you are has admitted.

Now - your moronic prophet was too
dumb to even notice that the factor
exists and you're waving your arms and
screaming "LOOK!!!! A GREAT SUCCESS!!!
THE PROPHECY WORKS PERFECTLY!!! AS
LONG AS THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR IS
NOT  INVOLVED!!!"

It's not, of course,  that one could
expect  any better logic from a brainwashed
fanatic idiot.

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