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| Started by | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| First post | 2026-10-17 09:11 +0200 |
| Last post | 2026-10-17 18:57 -0700 |
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Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 09:11 +0200
Re: Words have power Truman Babichev <avbb@bi.ru> - 2026-10-17 09:58 +0000
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:08 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:25 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:32 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:46 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:49 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:04 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:14 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:18 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:21 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:23 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:29 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:31 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:36 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:38 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:44 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:46 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:55 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:57 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:09 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:39 +0000
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 19:03 -0700
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:50 +0200
Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 11:24 -0700
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:44 +0200
Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 12:02 -0700
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 21:54 +0200
Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 13:31 -0700
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:45 +0200
Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 15:56 -0700
Re: Words have power Russell Bahmutoff <sm@temar.ru> - 2026-10-17 19:17 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:19 +0200
Re: Words have power Fermin Ribakov <ifrbn@iobf.ru> - 2026-10-17 21:03 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:46 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:37 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:47 +0200
Re: Words have power Kevvy Ruzaev <vvavv@vrzrz.ru> - 2026-10-18 07:51 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 10:16 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:00 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 13:54 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:10 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:13 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:23 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:36 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:39 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:42 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:44 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 10:43 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:05 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:15 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:21 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 11:42 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:53 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:07 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 14:19 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:31 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 14:44 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:59 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 15:16 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 13:38 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 15:49 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 13:58 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:02 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:06 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:26 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:28 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:39 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 15:37 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 18:37 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:42 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 18:51 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:53 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:02 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:03 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:11 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 17:23 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:37 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:55 +0000
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:10 -0700
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:27 -0700
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 07:23 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 08:00 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 10:26 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 08:34 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 10:54 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 09:25 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:10 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:18 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:32 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:39 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:44 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 10:55 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:09 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 11:11 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:22 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 11:37 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:44 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 11:48 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 13:55 +0200
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 14:03 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 15:29 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 17:57 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 16:03 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 18:13 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 16:15 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 18:27 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 16:51 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 19:12 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 17:17 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 19:33 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:25 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 23:07 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:15 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 23:34 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:39 +0000
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 21:52 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 06:40 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 14:51 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 17:03 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 15:04 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 17:16 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 17:45 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 20:07 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:20 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 07:05 +0200
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 07:21 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 11:27 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 14:28 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 12:31 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 14:38 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 13:46 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 15:53 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 14:02 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 16:29 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:23 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 18:35 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 16:46 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 18:55 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 17:11 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 19:18 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 17:21 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 19:31 +0200
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 21:08 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 22:04 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 06:53 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 09:01 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:22 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:27 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:32 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:33 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:40 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:41 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:45 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:49 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:51 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:56 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:06 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:11 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:19 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:33 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:36 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:43 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:50 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:51 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:53 +0200
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:55 +0000
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:56 +0200
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 15:28 -0700
Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 22:32 +0000
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 07:11 -0700
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Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 13:34 -0700
Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 22:19 -0700
Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-17 22:37 +0200
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:47 +0200
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 19:00 -0700
Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 12:30 +0200
Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 12:42 +0200
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 04:56 -0700
Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 07:07 -0700
Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 21:39 +0200
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 10:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Ou3Cfujp7paHccvzkWn9vFF5864@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674882 |
Maciej,
You're literally pasting the same paragraph again.
So let's make this painfully short.
YES:
adjustment is decisive for the FINAL indication.
NO:
adjustment cannot explain a measurement made
while that adjustment is SWITCHED OFF.
NTS-2:
correction OFF
predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12
measured: +442.5 × 10^-12
You have now even admitted that this was a correct prediction.
So screaming
"THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR WAS NOT INVOLVED!"
is hilarious.
OF COURSE IT WASN'T INVOLVED.
THAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF SWITCHING IT OFF.
They were measuring what happened WITHOUT the compensation.
Then they switched it on and cancelled the measured effect.
This isn't relativity you are failing to understand anymore.
It's the meaning of an ON/OFF switch.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <18e123e6fa69e861$359$2198819$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> |
| In reply to | #674884 |
On 10/23/2026 12:56 PM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > > You're literally pasting the same paragraph again. > > So let's make this painfully short. > > YES: > > adjustment is decisive for the FINAL indication. Are you trying to babble that the idiot defining time meant "indication, but not the final one"? How is it in galilean physics? Is "time" the indication of an unadjusted pendulum there? > > NO: > > adjustment cannot explain a measurement made > while that adjustment is SWITCHED OFF. It can, and very easily. A clock error. Discarded.
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <QzE95qCX6FM4Rq6EPkj0oZxU-Gc@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674887 |
Maciej,
> How is it in galilean physics? Is "time"
> the indication of an unadjusted pendulum there?
No.
And nobody claims that "time" is whatever an arbitrary unadjusted
physical device happens to indicate.
You're confusing the definition/realization of a time scale with the
physical behaviour of a clock used to realize it.
But your next sentence is much more interesting:
> It can, and very easily. A clock error.
> Discarded.
Excellent.
So your explanation of NTS-2 is now:
relativity predicted before launch:
+446.5 × 10^-12
clock placed in orbit, correction OFF:
+442.5 × 10^-12
Maciej:
"clock error"
What extraordinary luck.
The "clock error" had:
the predicted sign,
the predicted magnitude,
the predicted dependence on orbital conditions,
and differed from the relativistic prediction by about 1%.
Then, when engineers applied the correction calculated for that
supposed "error", GPS worked as intended.
This is becoming a wonderful scientific methodology:
prediction agrees with measurement -> discard measurement as error
correction based on prediction works -> discard that too
corrected residual is zero -> THIS is the only real measurement
With that method, no physical effect could ever be observed.
And "clock error" still isn't a quantitative theory.
Relativity said:
+446.5 × 10^-12
Your theory says:
ERROR! DISCARDED!
One of those predicted a number.
The other is a wastebasket.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <18e1249691e1ebd4$371$2210059$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> |
| In reply to | #674889 |
On 10/23/2026 1:11 PM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > >> How is it in galilean physics? Is "time" >> the indication of an unadjusted pendulum there? > > No. > > And nobody claims that "time" is whatever an arbitrary unadjusted > physical device happens to indicate. Sure. Time can be only what an unadjusted clock marked by a Shit worshiper happen to indicate. Or an adjusted one - doesn't matter. Only matters whether worshipers like it or not. Anyway, the REAL, MEASURED value of the difference in clock indications is 0. Even such a disgusting piece of lying shit is admitting that sometimes. > > You're confusing the definition/realization of a time scale with the > physical behaviour of a clock used to realize it. > > But your next sentence is much more interesting: > >> It can, and very easily. A clock error. >> Discarded. > > Excellent. > > So your explanation of NTS-2 is now: > > relativity predicted before launch: > +446.5 × 10^-12 > > clock placed in orbit, correction OFF: > +442.5 × 10^-12 > > Maciej: > "clock error" > > What extraordinary luck. > > The "clock error" had: > > the predicted sign, > the predicted magnitude, > the predicted dependence on orbital conditions, > > and differed from the relativistic prediction by about 1%. > > Then, when engineers applied the correction calculated for that > supposed "error", GPS worked as intended. > > This is becoming a wonderful scientific methodology: > > prediction agrees with measurement -> discard measurement as error > correction based on prediction works -> discard that too > corrected residual is zero -> THIS is the only real measurement > > With that method, no physical effect could ever be observed. > > And "clock error" still isn't a quantitative theory. > > Relativity said: > +446.5 × 10^-12 Yeah. Of the time dilation, of the difference in clock indications. The real, measured value is - 0. Even such a disgusting piece of lying shit as you are is sometimes admitting that. Good bye, The Shit.
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <F2jpAz5-XmdxcEIxUqLVJvOjj0E@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674891 |
Maciej,
> The real, measured value is - 0.
Yes.
After compensation.
And with the compensation OFF, the real measured value was:
+442.5 × 10^-12
after relativity had predicted:
+446.5 × 10^-12.
You now call that measurement a "clock error" because otherwise you
would have to acknowledge the obvious:
relativity predicted a nonzero clock-rate difference;
the uncorrected clock exhibited that difference;
engineers compensated that difference;
the compensated residual became approximately zero.
And your argument is that the final zero proves the difference never
existed.
We've gone around this circle enough times.
You have even conceded that relativity made the correct quantitative
clock-rate prediction. Your remaining escape is simply to decree that
the corresponding measured rate difference was an "error" and that
only the result after cancelling it counts.
There is nothing left to calculate, explain, or debate.
predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12
measured: +442.5 × 10^-12
Maciej: "DISCARDED!"
So be it.
Goodbye Maciej.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <18e1258bd15ab92c$382$2198819$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> |
| In reply to | #674892 |
On 10/23/2026 1:33 PM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > >> The real, measured value is - 0. > > Yes. > > After compensation. Adjustment is THE KEY, DECISIVE factor here. Even such an idiot as you are has admitted. Now - your moronic prophet was too dumb to even notice that the factor exists and you're waving your arms and screaming "LOOK!!!! A GREAT SUCCESS!!! THE PROPHECY WORKS PERFECTLY!!! AS LONG AS THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR IS NOT INVOLVED!!!" It's not, of course, that one could expect any better logic from a brainwashed fanatic idiot.
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <yYM9st5euToEQlYZO7p3fHjoS8M@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674893 |
Maciej, You have now pasted essentially the same paragraph yet again, after every point in it has already been answered repeatedly. There is nothing new here to reply to. As I said: Goodbye Maciej.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <18e1264a7fd1fb7e$392$2205363$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> |
| In reply to | #674894 |
On 10/23/2026 1:43 PM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > > You have now pasted essentially the same paragraph yet again, after > every point in it has already been answered repeatedly. I did. And you're still waving your arms and screaming "LOOK!!!! A GREAT SUCCESS!!! THE PROPHECY WORKS PERFECTLY!!! AS LONG AS THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR THE IDIOT DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IS NOT INVOLVED!!!" It's not, of course, that one could expect any better logic from a brainwashed fanatic idiot.
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <U6Y5iMrNxNvmNn2sLq8fnFBEDvk@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674897 |
Maciej,
> I did.
Indeed.
You explicitly acknowledge that you are repeating the same paragraph
after the answer has already been given repeatedly.
So there is nothing left to discuss.
For the record, one last time:
correction OFF:
predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12
measured: +442.5 × 10^-12
correction ON:
residual: approximately 0
Your response to the first measurement is "clock error".
Your response to the second is "REAL measurement".
And your response to every explanation of the difference is to paste
the same paragraph again.
Fine.
Readers have the numbers, the chronology, and your answer to them.
Goodbye Maciej.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <18e1266e9bc7775b$393$2205363$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> |
| In reply to | #674898 |
On 10/23/2026 1:51 PM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > >> I did. > > Indeed. > > You explicitly acknowledge that you are repeating the same paragraph > after the answer has already been given repeatedly. And you're still, repeatedly, waving your arms and screaming "LOOK!!!! A GREAT SUCCESS!!! THE PROPHECY WORKS PERFECTLY!!! AS LONG AS THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR THE IDIOT DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IS NOT INVOLVED!!!" It's not, of course, that one could expect any better logic from a brainwashed fanatic idiot.
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 11:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <JiU9H0o-sWBVrTQvJ8xP00u0LJU@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674899 |
Maciej, Yes. That is now the fourth or fifth time you've pasted essentially the same paragraph. The numbers and chronology remain unchanged. You have nothing new to say, and neither do I. Goodbye Maciej.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2026-10-23 13:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <18e126a5188245d8$383$2198819$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> |
| In reply to | #674900 |
On 10/23/2026 1:55 PM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > > Yes. > > That is now the fourth or fifth time you've pasted essentially the same > paragraph. Python, Yes. And you're still, repeatedly, waving your arms and screaming "LOOK!!!! A GREAT SUCCESS!!! THE PROPHECY WORKS PERFECTLY!!! AS LONG AS THE KEY, DECISIVE FACTOR THE IDIOT DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IS NOT INVOLVED!!!" It's not, of course, that one could expect any better logic from a brainwashed fanatic idiot.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 15:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <-JGdnUYCKIWUdkr3nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #674747 |
On 10/20/2026 08:29 AM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > >> the REAL difference in clock indications is 0. > > Yes. AFTER compensating the predicted rate difference. > > You have now reduced your argument to: > > effect predicted > effect measured > effect compensated > compensated result ≈ 0 > > therefore effect never existed > > And this: > >> "perfect bridges should collapse" > > is precisely the same category error again. > > Relativity does NOT say: > > "perfect GPS clocks should desynchronize" > > It says what ideal clocks following specified worldlines accumulate. > > What engineers WANT their displayed/system times to do is a completely > different question. > > A physical theory predicts behaviour. > It does not issue engineering commandments. > > And your position has now become genuinely hilarious: > > Relativity predicts the amount GPS must compensate. > > GPS compensates it. > > You then claim GPS refutes relativity because the compensation worked. > > You aren't arguing against relativity anymore. > > You're using its successful cancellation as evidence that there was > nothing to cancel. Dark Matter / Dark Energy falsified the usual cosmology with the usual theory. What are you, chicken? Lense-Thirring gives frame-dragging, and there's more than one way to interpret Eotvos. There are lots of ways to "give the Lorentzians". Also there are many ways.
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| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 22:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <G1qCd_HDwyzT982G1wUYvQ5ZXjU@jntp> |
| In reply to | #674770 |
Le 21/10/2026 à 00:28, Ross Finlayson a écrit : > On 10/20/2026 08:29 AM, Python wrote: >> Maciej, >> >>> the REAL difference in clock indications is 0. >> >> Yes. AFTER compensating the predicted rate difference. >> >> You have now reduced your argument to: >> >> effect predicted >> effect measured >> effect compensated >> compensated result ≈ 0 >> >> therefore effect never existed >> >> And this: >> >>> "perfect bridges should collapse" >> >> is precisely the same category error again. >> >> Relativity does NOT say: >> >> "perfect GPS clocks should desynchronize" >> >> It says what ideal clocks following specified worldlines accumulate. >> >> What engineers WANT their displayed/system times to do is a completely >> different question. >> >> A physical theory predicts behaviour. >> It does not issue engineering commandments. >> >> And your position has now become genuinely hilarious: >> >> Relativity predicts the amount GPS must compensate. >> >> GPS compensates it. >> >> You then claim GPS refutes relativity because the compensation worked. >> >> You aren't arguing against relativity anymore. >> >> You're using its successful cancellation as evidence that there was >> nothing to cancel. > > > Dark Matter / Dark Energy falsified the usual cosmology with the > usual theory. > > > What are you, chicken? > > > Lense-Thirring gives frame-dragging, > and there's more than one way to interpret Eotvos. > > > There are lots of ways to "give the Lorentzians". > > Also there are many ways. <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?G1qCd_HDwyzT982G1wUYvQ5ZXjU@jntp/Data.Media:1>
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-20 07:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <R66cnY9045Ip60r3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #674710 |
On 10/20/2026 01:00 AM, Python wrote: > Maciej, > >> They modified (calibrated) >> the device to obtain THE CORRECT result. > > You keep running away from the chronology: > > Relativity predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12 > Correction: OFF > NTS-2 measured: +442.5 × 10^-12 > Correction: THEN switched ON > > Calling the first number "time dilation" and the second "clock error" > doesn't make two observables. It's the same measured frequency shift. > > And "the clocks should agree" predicts precisely nothing. > > The engineer still needs to know BY HOW MUCH to compensate. > > Relativity gave the number before launch. > Your "common sense" renamed it after measurement. > > That's not physics. > > That's bookkeeping with insults. "Time dilation" by itself is absent the other column, "length contraction", which together make "space contraction". Audit fail.
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| From | Salvado Bazarov <avvazv@vzbb.ru> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 19:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b5ppt$9ovo$1@news.nntp4.net> |
| In reply to | #674668 |
Maciej Woźniak wrote: > Words have power, poor piece of shit. Relabelling a circle to "straight > line" > you're getting your non-euclidean nonsenses, relabelling (you, not me) > a clock error to "time dilation" you get some "confirmation" of your > moronic Shit. you still are proving you are an idiot, in curved spacetime the curved lines are 100% what you call straight line, which is, the shortest path from A to B, that's your straight line, idiot if you diverge from that curved spacetime line, the distance becomes longer
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-19 14:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <11b62mg$2eqv5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #674654 |
On 10/19/2026 5:07 AM, Python wrote: [...] subject does not know English, english.dll and all of its data missing. Loading... Ahhh, subject is being trained on english... Computing... Weighing... Not all that bad result. It does not sound like a total moron...
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 04:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <Hc2dnVCPeKb5KUn3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #674592 |
On 10/18/2026 04:54 AM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > On 10/18/2026 1:00 PM, Python wrote: >> Le 18/10/2026 à 07:47, Maciej Woźniak a écrit : >>> On 10/18/2026 1:37 AM, Python wrote: >>>> Le 17/10/2026 à 22:19, Maciej Woźniak a écrit : >>>>> On 10/17/2026 9:17 PM, Russell Bahmutoff wrote: >>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/17/2026 8:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> In other words, there is no Physics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yous made it all up! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Physics is a piece of objective software designed for a monkey's >>>>>>> brain. >>>>>>> And that it's made up doesn't mean it doesn't exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> very big truth once again, but it's only >>>>>> objective because >>>>> >>>>> By objective I mean that. >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming >>>> >>>> >>>> So after several days of: >>>> >>>> "objective physics" >>>> "objective reality" >>>> "objective software" >>>> >>>> we finally learn that by "objective" you meant: >>>> >>>> object-oriented. >>> >>> Nope. Usually "objective" means something else. >>> But when combined with "software" it's this meaning. >> >> No. The adjective is: >> >> object-oriented >> >> not: >> >> objective. > > So it must be "object oriented c" not "objective c", right, > poor piece of shit? > The "structured" usually enough makes for overall an account equi-interpretable with "model theory", and the large model theory with a universe, and infinity & continuity in diversity & variety.
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| From | Dawn Rujenkov <jrdj@een.ru> |
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| Date | 2026-10-18 16:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <11b2tm4$54n4$1@news.nntp4.net> |
| In reply to | #674589 |
Python wrote: > than what he considered the important idea: MESSAGING. > > His description of OOP was essentially: > > messaging hidden/local state extreme late binding > > He even famously remarked that when he invented "object-oriented", he > certainly did not have C++ in mind. yet anothere imbecile former it-supporter, the OOP is not about messages, but messages are about clustering supercomputers. The OOP is about creating objects that embeds both methods and private data; you access the data through the methods, not directly, unless they are public
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2026-10-17 13:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6AD3DBCC.2FC1@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #674553 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > "geometry"???? > > there are no lines in space! > > There is no linear in space.. > > no circles > no triangles > no squares, etc > > none of those shapes > you people use a crayon > to draw shapes with. > > dat pyramid in egypt... > those are earth measurements.. > people project unto space.. > > but they don't exist! > > You know, with all dis math and physics.. > attempt to put together > yous created a fake world dat don't exist out there. > > In other words, there is no Physics. > > yous made it all up! > > You experts > are experts > in making > stuff up! and where did the 'laws of physcis' come from??? You made it all up!!! all of it! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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