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Re: Words have power

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Subject Re: Words have power
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Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
Date 2026-10-23 10:41 +0000
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From Python <python@cccp.invalid>

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Maciej,

> the indication of a clock from GPS ground base is -
> 2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000.
> What is the [measured] indication of a clock in
> a GPS satellite?

After the GPS clock has been deliberately frequency-offset and its
remaining clock offset/drift corrections have been applied?

Approximately:

    2026-10-23 15:00:00.00000000

within the accuracy of the system.

Nobody disputes that.

Now remove the relativistic frequency compensation.

After one day, approximately:

    ground:      2026-10-24 15:00:00.000000
    satellite:   2026-10-24 15:00:00.000038

That's precisely the point.

You are asking me for the output AFTER engineers have deliberately
cancelled the predicted rate difference, obtaining approximately zero,
and pretending this measures the rate difference BEFORE cancellation.

It doesn't.

And you've just conceded that relativity correctly predicts the
"clock rates".

So your argument has become mathematically spectacular:

    d(satellite time - ground time)/dt != 0

but somehow, according to Maciej,

    satellite time - ground time = 0

forever.

Calculus would like a word.

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Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 09:11 +0200
  Re: Words have power Truman Babichev <avbb@bi.ru> - 2026-10-17 09:58 +0000
  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:08 +0000
    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:25 +0200
      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:32 +0000
        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:46 +0200
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            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:21 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:29 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:31 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:36 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:44 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:09 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:50 +0200
                Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 11:24 -0700
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:44 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 21:54 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:45 +0200
                Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 15:56 -0700
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:10 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
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