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| Subject | Re: Words have power |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.math |
| Date | 2026-10-23 10:27 +0000 |
| Organization | Nemoweb |
| From | Python <python@cccp.invalid> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
Maciej,
Ah.
So after several days of:
"t'=t!"
"just clock error!"
"adjustment is THE KEY!"
"your prophecy failed!"
we finally arrive at:
> Even such a nonsensical crap as The Shit of Einstein can
> have some correct predictions
Thank you.
That was the point.
Relativity predicted the orbital clock-rate shift quantitatively:
predicted: +446.5 × 10^-12
measured: +442.5 × 10^-12
So the effect was not created by adjustment, calibration, religion,
terminology, or engineers being bullied by Einstein.
It was predicted and then measured with the correction OFF.
Now you retreat to:
> But [...] it had to start babbling about
> the indications of perfect clocks.
There is no retreat available there either.
An ideal clock in relativity is simply a theoretical clock whose
reading follows proper time along its worldline.
"Perfect" does NOT mean:
"a clock magically adjusted so that its indication must remain
equal to every other clock everywhere."
That is your definition, not relativity's.
And this distinction is exactly what the experiment demonstrates:
two clocks can be perfectly good clocks and nevertheless accumulate
different elapsed times along different worldlines.
You may dislike calling that "proper time".
You may dislike "ideal clock".
You may dislike Einstein.
But after finally conceding that the quantitative prediction is
correct, changing the vocabulary won't make
442.5 × 10^-12
turn back into zero.
You've spent days fighting the physics.
Now that you've conceded the physics, you're fighting the dictionary.
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