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Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?

Started byCENTRINO <none@nonelandia.com>
First post2018-07-05 12:25 +0100
Last post2018-07-13 13:57 -0700
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  Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? CENTRINO <none@nonelandia.com> - 2018-07-05 12:25 +0100
    Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-05 13:47 +0200
      Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 13:01 +0000
        Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:46 +0200
          Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 15:24 +0000
            Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 07:57 +0200
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 23:41 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:53 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-10 05:22 -0700
              Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-10 11:41 +0000
                Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 14:47 +0200
                  Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:38 +0000
                    Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 20:28 +0200
                      Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 18:57 +0000
              Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-10 20:04 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 15:57 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 16:12 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 16:20 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 16:51 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:37 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 11:00 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:18 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:06 +0200
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 07:22 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 07:35 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 08:05 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 08:10 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:13 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 21:26 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:32 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 21:38 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:41 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:48 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 09:48 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 08:56 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:09 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:03 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 18:17 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:23 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:48 +0000
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 11:09 -0400
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:12 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:38 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:00 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:49 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 21:44 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 15:21 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 22:55 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 20:58 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 14:26 +0200
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:18 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 17:04 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 10:11 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 13:27 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:01 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:40 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 13:20 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-10 21:08 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 14:25 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-11 11:09 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 15:22 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-11 11:07 +0000
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:55 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 18:42 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 11:19 +0000
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 10:54 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 19:19 +0200
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 21:57 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 12:56 +0200
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:45 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 18:46 +0200
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-07-08 11:01 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 05:00 +0200
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-07-09 07:03 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:05 +0000
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 16:32 +0200
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 13:25 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 06:04 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 04:39 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 21:21 +0200
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:11 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:35 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:36 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:55 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:27 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:36 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 13:18 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-10 21:06 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 15:21 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 22:17 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-11 10:59 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:54 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 17:39 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 11:04 +0000
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 10:59 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 10:53 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 17:21 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-12 19:48 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:37 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? nobody@nowhere.com - 2018-07-12 21:25 -0400
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:42 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 10:55 +0000
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 10:58 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 17:25 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-12 21:11 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:39 -0700
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-13 23:16 +0000
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 20:23 -0700
                                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-14 14:50 +0000
                                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 22:14 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 07:53 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 08:05 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 11:28 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 14:48 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:08 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-07-06 00:08 +0200
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-07 09:24 +1000
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 16:48 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 12:43 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:23 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 10:13 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 18:24 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-09 09:01 +1000
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-07-07 21:09 +0200
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 18:17 +0000
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 11:35 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 18:48 +0000
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-05 12:04 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:58 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 13:51 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:57 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-06 04:45 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:41 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-06 13:59 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 00:51 +0000
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-06 22:25 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:30 +0000
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-07 03:31 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 21:54 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 23:53 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 12:33 +0200
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-07 05:36 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:35 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 09:40 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:52 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 19:57 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 14:35 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 14:47 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 23:42 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 21:59 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-07 22:15 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 22:26 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 23:19 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 14:39 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 23:31 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 23:46 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 14:36 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 14:46 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 05:42 +0200
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 21:43 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 22:12 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:53 +0000
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 10:49 -0700
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:58 +0000
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 11:28 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-08 05:51 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:55 +0200
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 13:16 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:19 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 13:14 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-08 13:40 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 03:07 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 23:00 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 10:41 +0000
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:02 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 11:20 +0000
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:38 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 07:07 -0400
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-07-09 13:14 +0200
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:19 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:18 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 08:49 -0400
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 05:56 -0700
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 09:32 -0400
                                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 07:01 -0700
                                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 11:45 -0400
                                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 09:18 -0700
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 08:45 -0700
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 14:09 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 11:20 +0000
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:48 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 04:59 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 13:15 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 06:19 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 07:19 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 03:46 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-10 08:58 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-10 09:17 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:55 +0000
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 13:15 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-10 21:43 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-09 18:38 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:00 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 14:45 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 22:45 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 23:42 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 04:50 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-09 09:07 +1000
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 07:31 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 18:21 +0200
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 11:07 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 12:51 +0200
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 05:04 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 17:33 +0200
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 13:45 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 06:36 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 05:35 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 15:32 +0200
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 13:38 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 16:24 +0200
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:38 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 14:42 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 14:55 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 15:20 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 13:33 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 19:05 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-10 09:32 +1000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 03:46 +0000
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 15:00 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mikedwy@aol.com - 2018-07-09 22:18 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 07:40 +0200
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-10 12:12 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 14:47 +0200
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:23 +0000
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:53 +0000
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:44 +0000
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 13:20 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 14:55 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 18:10 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 12:21 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 15:45 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-07-13 13:54 -0700
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#463497

FromVolney <volney@volney.invalid>
Date2018-07-05 11:09 -0400
Message-ID<phlc9n$3uu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#463486
On 7/5/2018 10:22 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
>> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> 
> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math with the following nonsense assertions added:
> 1. The speed of light is a universal constant when the clock second use to measure speed is not a universal constant.....the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is equal to 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame or the passage of gamma second in A’s frame is equal to 1 second in B’s frame.
> 
> 2. Length contraction: SR says that the length of a meter stick is contracted by a factor of 1/gamma. This assertion is false. It is not possible to measure the length of o a moving meter stick and the meter stick will come back the same length after a journey. This means that it is not materially contracted during relative motion. The proper interpretation of the length contraction equation is that the Light-path -length (LPL) of a moving meter stick is foreshortened by a factor of 1/gamma. This prediction is based on the assumption that the LPL of the observer’s meter stick is its material length.
> 
> 3. Time dilation: SR assumes that a clock second is a universal interval of time.....that is the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of a clock second in B’s frame. This assertion is wrong and it contradicts the SR math where it says that the passage of a clock second in observer A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame.
> 

Amazing, Ken. You raise 3 points and manage to be wrong 4 times.

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#463516

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-05 10:12 -0700
Message-ID<757afcad-2d0d-46b2-aff9-f6500fff8985@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463486
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
> > Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> 
> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math with the following nonsense assertions added:
> 1. The speed of light is a universal constant when the clock second use to measure speed is not a universal constant.....the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is equal to 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame or the passage of gamma second in A’s frame is equal to 1 second in B’s frame.
> 
> 2. Length contraction: SR says that the length of a meter stick is contracted by a factor of 1/gamma. This assertion is false. It is not possible to measure the length of o a moving meter stick and the meter stick will come back the same length after a journey. This means that it is not materially contracted during relative motion. The proper interpretation of the length contraction equation is that the Light-path -length (LPL) of a moving meter stick is foreshortened by a factor of 1/gamma. This prediction is based on the assumption that the LPL of the observer’s meter stick is its material length.
> 
> 3. Time dilation: SR assumes that a clock second is a universal interval of time.....that is the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of a clock second in B’s frame. This assertion is wrong and it contradicts the SR math where it says that the passage of a clock second in observer A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame.

Ken Seto is a prime example of an ignoramus in that department. Note it's only one's
ignorance that allows this sort of aberration in thinking to blossom. If he had any knowledge
of anything ELSE in physics, he'd know IMMEDIATELY that his approach cannot work
as it's contradicted by LOTS and LOTS of other things. But the problem is he cannot
understand those OTHER THINGS, he only "understands" some elementary aspects
of special relativity (and even those he understands incorrectly).

This is a well-known psychological phenomenon by now: an ignorant person lacks the tools
to actually see plainly that he is ignorant: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect 

--
Jan

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#463699

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-07-07 07:38 -0700
Message-ID<d6a278b3-b88b-4557-a95f-8c30b758d83e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463516
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 1:12:11 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
> > > Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> > 
> > Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math with the following nonsense assertions added:
> > 1. The speed of light is a universal constant when the clock second use to measure speed is not a universal constant.....the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is equal to 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame or the passage of gamma second in A’s frame is equal to 1 second in B’s frame.
> > 
> > 2. Length contraction: SR says that the length of a meter stick is contracted by a factor of 1/gamma. This assertion is false. It is not possible to measure the length of o a moving meter stick and the meter stick will come back the same length after a journey. This means that it is not materially contracted during relative motion. The proper interpretation of the length contraction equation is that the Light-path -length (LPL) of a moving meter stick is foreshortened by a factor of 1/gamma. This prediction is based on the assumption that the LPL of the observer’s meter stick is its material length.
> > 
> > 3. Time dilation: SR assumes that a clock second is a universal interval of time.....that is the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of a clock second in B’s frame. This assertion is wrong and it contradicts the SR math where it says that the passage of a clock second in observer A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame.
> 
> Ken Seto is a prime example of an ignoramus in that department. Note it's only one's
> ignorance that allows this sort of aberration in thinking to blossom. If he had any knowledge
> of anything ELSE in physics, he'd know IMMEDIATELY that his approach cannot work
> as it's contradicted by LOTS and LOTS of other things. But the problem is he cannot
> understand those OTHER THINGS, he only "understands" some elementary aspects
> of special relativity (and even those he understands incorrectly).

ROTFLOL....the idiot is foaming in the mouth.


> 
> This is a well-known psychological phenomenon by now: an ignorant person lacks the tools
> to actually see plainly that he is ignorant: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect 
> 
> --
> Jan

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#463709

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 09:00 -0700
Message-ID<882f0bd5-2c7b-41df-8991-b5eeae8e3744@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463699
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 7:38:43 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 1:12:11 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
> > > > Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> > > 
> > > Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math with the following nonsense assertions added:
> > > 1. The speed of light is a universal constant when the clock second use to measure speed is not a universal constant.....the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is equal to 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame or the passage of gamma second in A’s frame is equal to 1 second in B’s frame.
> > > 
> > > 2. Length contraction: SR says that the length of a meter stick is contracted by a factor of 1/gamma. This assertion is false. It is not possible to measure the length of o a moving meter stick and the meter stick will come back the same length after a journey. This means that it is not materially contracted during relative motion. The proper interpretation of the length contraction equation is that the Light-path -length (LPL) of a moving meter stick is foreshortened by a factor of 1/gamma. This prediction is based on the assumption that the LPL of the observer’s meter stick is its material length.
> > > 
> > > 3. Time dilation: SR assumes that a clock second is a universal interval of time.....that is the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of a clock second in B’s frame. This assertion is wrong and it contradicts the SR math where it says that the passage of a clock second in observer A’s frame is corresponded to the passage of 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame.
> > 
> > Ken Seto is a prime example of an ignoramus in that department. Note it's only one's
> > ignorance that allows this sort of aberration in thinking to blossom. If he had any knowledge
> > of anything ELSE in physics, he'd know IMMEDIATELY that his approach cannot work
> > as it's contradicted by LOTS and LOTS of other things. But the problem is he cannot
> > understand those OTHER THINGS, he only "understands" some elementary aspects
> > of special relativity (and even those he understands incorrectly).
> 
> ROTFLOL....the idiot is foaming in the mouth.

Reread what I wrote. Where is the "foaming"? Does _renaming_ things
change them?

> > This is a well-known psychological phenomenon by now: an ignorant person lacks the tools
> > to actually see plainly that he is ignorant: 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect 

This link summarises the problem.

--
Jan

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#463543

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-05 12:49 -0700
Message-ID<cee2d797-7873-4147-9ec3-38a6fed82650@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463486
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
> > Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> 
> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math

Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was to
REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time) by
means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That was
one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.

So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was not
any "copying" anything. What an ignoramus you are, it simply takes one's
breath away.

> with the following nonsense assertions added:

There was no "nonsense" added. Specifically:

> 1. The speed of light is a universal constant when the clock second use to measure speed is not a universal constant.....

Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.

> the passage of a clock second in A’s frame is equal to 1/gamma seconds in B’s frame or the passage of gamma second in A’s frame is equal to 1 second in B’s frame.

Not even wrong. Gobbledygook. Why on earth do you waste your life away on
criticising stuff you don't understand?

> 2. Length contraction:

Not worth continuing. You are totally confused.

--
Jan

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#463560

FromOren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp>
Date2018-07-05 21:44 +0000
Message-ID<phm3f2$1490$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#463543
JanPB wrote:

> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
>> > Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
>> 
>> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math
> 
> Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was to
> REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time) by
> means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That was
> one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.
> So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was not
> any "copying" anything. What an ignoramus you are, it simply takes one's
> breath away.

This can't be true. He was busy reading patent applications. He had not 
time to read anything about others, much less Lorentz. Why should he even 
know anything about the writes of Lorentz. It was not required during his 
activities. There are no connections whatsoever. Try again.

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#463565

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-05 15:21 -0700
Message-ID<1cca6c7a-44bd-4d1e-b3f3-2f1e051b15bd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463560
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:44:07 PM UTC-7, Oren Woodcock wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
> >> > Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> >> 
> >> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math
> > 
> > Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was to
> > REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time) by
> > means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That was
> > one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.
> > So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was not
> > any "copying" anything. What an ignoramus you are, it simply takes one's
> > breath away.
> 
> This can't be true. He was busy reading patent applications. He had not 
> time to read anything about others, much less Lorentz.

Nonsense.

--
Jan

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#463570

FromOren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp>
Date2018-07-05 22:55 +0000
Message-ID<phm7kg$1cge$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#463565
JanPB wrote:

>> > Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was
>> > to REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time)
>> > by means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That
>> > was one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.
>> > So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was
>> > not any "copying" anything. What an ignoramus you are, it simply
>> > takes one's breath away.
>> 
>> This can't be true. He was busy reading patent applications. He had not
>> time to read anything about others, much less Lorentz.
> 
> Nonsense.

Any point, for a hard working paid person, having no affiliation to 
academia, in reading exactly Lorentz for whatever obscure reason?

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#463594

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-05 20:58 -0700
Message-ID<636b163d-c469-434c-b596-4d96c57183e8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463570
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 3:55:18 PM UTC-7, Oren Woodcock wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> > Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was
> >> > to REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time)
> >> > by means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That
> >> > was one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.
> >> > So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was
> >> > not any "copying" anything. What an ignoramus you are, it simply
> >> > takes one's breath away.
> >> 
> >> This can't be true. He was busy reading patent applications. He had not
> >> time to read anything about others, much less Lorentz.
> > 
> > Nonsense.
> 
> Any point, for a hard working paid person, having no affiliation to 
> academia, in reading exactly Lorentz for whatever obscure reason?

Your questions are idiotic.

--
Jan

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#463686

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-07-07 14:26 +0200
Message-ID<7baab424-be53-7d34-7917-4448cb8bdc82@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#463543
JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
>>> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
>> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math
> 
> Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was to
> REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time) by
> means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That was
> one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.

Historian’s fallacy.  Einstein provably was an admirer of Lorentz’ work, so
he knew at least portions of it.

But unless Einstein has said so (and to my knowledge he has not), we can
only speculate about his motives.  Evidently (as one can read in [1]),
Einstein’s driving force for what he later called “special relativity” was
to reconcile Maxwellian electrodynamics, which implied that the speed of
light would be independent of relative motion, only dependent on the
electromagnetic properties of the medium –

  c = 1∕√(ε₀ ε_r µ₀ µ_r)

– with the Galilean/Newtonian principle of relativity that states that the
laws of physics are the same in every inertial frame of reference.  After
Einstein learned of experiments that attempted to determine a luminiferous
aether, but failed to do so, he did not accept the explanation that
properties of a proposed, not only undetected, but *undetectable* medium
that should reconcile both.  Instead, he assumed (as he says there) that
the principle of relativity applied to both mechanics and electrodynamics,
and that *therefore* there was no way, not even electromagnetically, to
determine motion absolutely.

> So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was not
> any "copying" anything. […]

If *Lorentz’* transformation equations were known to Einstein, then at the
time he (Einstein) could have known it only as an incomplete ad-hoc
hypothesis to explain the Michelson–Morley experiment (which Lorentz had
admitted himself).

However, it is not even certain that he (Einstein) knew/understood Lorentz’
transformation equations as originally published.  Because they were
originally published in 1904 in English [2], and Einstein was particularly
bad at foreign languages (among other things, he had never had formal
education in English. and barely passed for US American citizenship in 1940
because of that).  Lorentz received (the second ever) Nobel Prize in Physics
1902 (together with Pieter Zeeman) for the explanation of the Zeeman effect
using Lorentz’ electrodynamics (where he proposed the electron).

If Einstein knew about Lorentz’ work in that regard, then probably only in
summary from the German scientific journal „Annalen der Physik“.

<https://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute#Special_relativity>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lorentz_transformations>

________
[1] A. Einstein (1905): „Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Körper“.
    Ann. d. Physik.

    Original with comments and explanations, and references, in German:


<https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/A._Einstein:_Kommentare_und_Erl%C3%A4uterungen:_Zur_Elektrodynamik_bewegter_K%C3%B6rper>

    “On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies”.
    English translation of the German-speaking original

<https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Electrodynamics_of_Moving_Bodies_(1920_edition)>

[2] H.A. Lorentz (1904). “Electromagnetic Phenomena in a System Moving with
    Any Velocity Less Than That of Light”. Proc. Acad. Science Amsterdam,
    IV, 669-78.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#463710

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 09:18 -0700
Message-ID<18dd47c3-d02c-402a-b5bc-4b8065b08ca6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463686
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:26:53 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:22:56 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> >> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 7:25:37 AM UTC-4, CENTRINO wrote:
> >>> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> >> Because Einstein’s SR copied the LET math
> > 
> > Not even wrong. The truth is simply that Einstein's very INTENT was to
> > REPRODUCE the Lorentz transform (already widely known at the time) by
> > means of a certain DIFFERENT and MINIMAL set of assumptions. That was
> > one of the GOALS of his 1905 paper.
> 
> Historian’s fallacy.  Einstein provably was an admirer of Lorentz’ work, so
> he knew at least portions of it.
> 
> But unless Einstein has said so (and to my knowledge he has not), we can
> only speculate about his motives.

This is not a "speculation", it's the very content of the paper, the intent
is described by Einstein very clearly: to endow the transformed E and B 
fields (both the transformations and the resulting E and B changes had been
known but considered _unphysical_) with a _physical meaning_, this is precisely
his method of resolving the magnet-and-coil conundrum he mentions in the
summary of the paper.

He says so explicitly in the second part of the paper ("electrodynamical
part") when he lists the "old way" and the "new way" of describing the
above conundrum. The "new way" is based on treating the transformed
E and B as _real_. Of course it wouldn't be enough just to _say_ that,
so in the first part of the paper he offers a "plausible" DERIVATION
of the RESULTS KNOWN ALREADY (i.e. the Lorentz transformation which,
incidentally, included in it a "plausible" justification for NOT having
an extra multiplicative constant in transformed Maxwell's equations, which
is something that Lorentz did not do (see Lorentz's paper in the Dover
collection, he keeps that constant)).

This "plausibility" was based on a very minimal set of assumptions which
was a novel way of going about this. But the intent of the paper is to
justify the use of transformed E and B which can only be done by justifying
the _physicality_ of the Lorentz transform which, in turn, had to be done
by basing it on some simple but deep principle. That's what the paper
IS ABOUT.

> Evidently (as one can read in [1]),
> Einstein’s driving force for what he later called “special relativity” was
> to reconcile Maxwellian electrodynamics, which implied that the speed of
> light would be independent of relative motion, only dependent on the
> electromagnetic properties of the medium –
> 
>   c = 1∕√(ε₀ ε_r µ₀ µ_r)
> 
> – with the Galilean/Newtonian principle of relativity that states that the
> laws of physics are the same in every inertial frame of reference.  After
> Einstein learned of experiments that attempted to determine a luminiferous
> aether, but failed to do so, he did not accept the explanation that
> properties of a proposed, not only undetected, but *undetectable* medium
> that should reconcile both.  Instead, he assumed (as he says there) that
> the principle of relativity applied to both mechanics and electrodynamics,
> and that *therefore* there was no way, not even electromagnetically, to
> determine motion absolutely.
> 
> > So from the start the Lorentz transform was presumed known, it was not
> > any "copying" anything. […]
> 
> If *Lorentz’* transformation equations were known to Einstein, then at the
> time he (Einstein) could have known it only as an incomplete ad-hoc
> hypothesis to explain the Michelson–Morley experiment (which Lorentz had
> admitted himself).

Yes, of course. That's the point. I think you may have misunderstood my
intent slightly. Obviously Einstein knew about the Lorentz transformation,
this was standard expert knowledge for electrodynamics at the time.

--
Jan

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#463726

FromOren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp>
Date2018-07-07 17:04 +0000
Message-ID<phqrql$jbc$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#463710
JanPB wrote:

>  The "new way" is based on treating the transformed E and
> B as _real_. Of course it wouldn't be enough just to _say_ that,
> so in the first part of the paper he offers a "plausible" DERIVATION of
> the RESULTS KNOWN ALREADY (i.e. the Lorentz transformation which,
> incidentally, included in it a "plausible" justification for NOT having
> an extra multiplicative constant in transformed Maxwell's equations,
> which is something that Lorentz did not do (see Lorentz's paper in the
> Dover collection, he keeps that constant)).

Then please explain Maxwell Equations, in your words, each of them in turn.

Einstein couldn't explain them either, that's the sad truth.

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#463728

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 10:11 -0700
Message-ID<00800c6d-bd98-4342-a5e8-cdc0bc1f8371@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463726
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-7, Oren Woodcock wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >  The "new way" is based on treating the transformed E and
> > B as _real_. Of course it wouldn't be enough just to _say_ that,
> > so in the first part of the paper he offers a "plausible" DERIVATION of
> > the RESULTS KNOWN ALREADY (i.e. the Lorentz transformation which,
> > incidentally, included in it a "plausible" justification for NOT having
> > an extra multiplicative constant in transformed Maxwell's equations,
> > which is something that Lorentz did not do (see Lorentz's paper in the
> > Dover collection, he keeps that constant)).
> 
> Then please explain Maxwell Equations, in your words, each of them in turn.
> 
> Einstein couldn't explain them either, that's the sad truth.

Irrelevant.

--
Jan

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#463908

FromGalin Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac>
Date2018-07-09 13:27 +0000
Message-ID<phvnrl$gnr$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#463728
JanPB wrote:

> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-7, Oren Woodcock wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >  The "new way" is based on treating the transformed E and
>> > B as _real_. Of course it wouldn't be enough just to _say_ that,
>> > so in the first part of the paper he offers a "plausible" DERIVATION
>> > of the RESULTS KNOWN ALREADY (i.e. the Lorentz transformation which,
>> > incidentally, included in it a "plausible" justification for NOT
>> > having an extra multiplicative constant in transformed Maxwell's
>> > equations, which is something that Lorentz did not do (see Lorentz's
>> > paper in the Dover collection, he keeps that constant)).
>> 
>> Then please explain Maxwell Equations, in your words, each of them in
>> turn.
>> 
>> Einstein couldn't explain them either, that's the sad truth.
> 
> Irrelevant.

You are not going to declare that one is attempting starting correcting 
inherited theories without understanding them, explanatory. It is like 
correcting, or SUPPORTING, relativity without understanding it. Better 
luck next time, you really need it.

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#463953

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-09 12:01 -0700
Message-ID<1c6cd9e4-5870-474a-9781-b07a6fbc06c3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#463908
On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 6:27:20 AM UTC-7, Galin Itnik Uskanov wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 10:04:25 AM UTC-7, Oren Woodcock wrote:
> >> JanPB wrote:
> >> 
> >> >  The "new way" is based on treating the transformed E and
> >> > B as _real_. Of course it wouldn't be enough just to _say_ that,
> >> > so in the first part of the paper he offers a "plausible" DERIVATION
> >> > of the RESULTS KNOWN ALREADY (i.e. the Lorentz transformation which,
> >> > incidentally, included in it a "plausible" justification for NOT
> >> > having an extra multiplicative constant in transformed Maxwell's
> >> > equations, which is something that Lorentz did not do (see Lorentz's
> >> > paper in the Dover collection, he keeps that constant)).
> >> 
> >> Then please explain Maxwell Equations, in your words, each of them in
> >> turn.
> >> 
> >> Einstein couldn't explain them either, that's the sad truth.
> > 
> > Irrelevant.
> 
> You are not going to declare that one is attempting starting correcting 
> inherited theories without understanding them, explanatory. It is like 
> correcting, or SUPPORTING, relativity without understanding it. Better 
> luck next time, you really need it.

Reread what I wrote. Reading comprehension next time!

--
Jan

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#464085

FromJuan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do>
Date2018-07-10 17:40 +0000
Message-ID<pi2r20$1p5h$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#463953
JanPB wrote:

>> You are not going to declare that one is attempting starting correcting
>> inherited theories without understanding them, explanatory. It is like
>> correcting, or SUPPORTING, relativity without understanding it. Better
>> luck next time, you really need it.
> 
> Reread what I wrote. Reading comprehension next time!

I am happy my 
_Divergent Matter of the Moving Bodies Model_ starts taking shape, being 
capable to explain the moon tides as well. Your theory don't. You have no 
mechanism.

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#464113

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-10 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<caf531ab-e1e7-45c2-88f1-c9f6359af776@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#464085
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, Juan Winfrey wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> You are not going to declare that one is attempting starting correcting
> >> inherited theories without understanding them, explanatory. It is like
> >> correcting, or SUPPORTING, relativity without understanding it. Better
> >> luck next time, you really need it.
> > 
> > Reread what I wrote. Reading comprehension next time!
> 
> I am happy my 
> _Divergent Matter of the Moving Bodies Model_ starts taking shape, being 
> capable to explain the moon tides as well. Your theory don't. You have no 
> mechanism.

No theory in physics provides a "mechanism". The only thing physics
theories MAY have (it's NOT a requirement) is another model underneath.

You are confusing science with philosophy, like so many amateurs here.

--
Jan

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#464120

FromOvání Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol>
Date2018-07-10 21:08 +0000
Message-ID<pi378d$hbg$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#464113
JanPB wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, Juan Winfrey wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> You are not going to declare that one is attempting starting
>> >> correcting inherited theories without understanding them,
>> >> explanatory. It is like correcting, or SUPPORTING, relativity
>> >> without understanding it. Better luck next time, you really need it.
>> > 
>> > Reread what I wrote. Reading comprehension next time!
>> 
>> I am happy my _Divergent Matter of the Moving Bodies Model_ starts
>> taking shape, being capable to explain the moon tides as well. Your
>> theory don't. You have no mechanism.
> 
> No theory in physics provides a "mechanism". The only thing physics
> theories MAY have (it's NOT a requirement) is another model underneath.
> You are confusing science with philosophy, like so many amateurs here.

A theory not providing a mechanism is inapplicable in Science, Technology 
and the Industry. But in no way you are capable to know that.

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#464121

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-10 14:25 -0700
Message-ID<4d195581-70b0-41e4-95a8-a1f306692134@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#464120
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-7, Ování Bodrého wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, Juan Winfrey wrote:
> >> JanPB wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> You are not going to declare that one is attempting starting
> >> >> correcting inherited theories without understanding them,
> >> >> explanatory. It is like correcting, or SUPPORTING, relativity
> >> >> without understanding it. Better luck next time, you really need it.
> >> > 
> >> > Reread what I wrote. Reading comprehension next time!
> >> 
> >> I am happy my _Divergent Matter of the Moving Bodies Model_ starts
> >> taking shape, being capable to explain the moon tides as well. Your
> >> theory don't. You have no mechanism.
> > 
> > No theory in physics provides a "mechanism". The only thing physics
> > theories MAY have (it's NOT a requirement) is another model underneath.
> > You are confusing science with philosophy, like so many amateurs here.

Jan? Observer Created Reality is not a science. It is just a philosophy
known as the Copenhagen...

Jan. Things can have their own motions..
Jan? why does beginning of motion create the opposite appearance of
motion around it relative? You can move yourself and the opposite appearance
of motion happens around you as the relative.

Einstein overlooked that. So why does relative motion do that Jan?

> A theory not providing a mechanism is inapplicable in Science, Technology 
> and the Industry. But in no way you are capable to know that.

There are material science mechanisms. Engineers do that.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#464158

FromOvání Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol>
Date2018-07-11 11:09 +0000
Message-ID<pi4ogk$108o$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#464121
mitchrae3323 wrote:

>> A theory not providing a mechanism is inapplicable in Science,
>> Technology and the Industry. But in no way you are capable to know
>> that.
> 
> There are material science mechanisms. Engineers do that. 

Actually not, might be idealogical immaterial as well.

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