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Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?

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  Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? CENTRINO <none@nonelandia.com> - 2018-07-05 12:25 +0100
    Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-05 13:47 +0200
      Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 13:01 +0000
        Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:46 +0200
          Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 15:24 +0000
            Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 07:57 +0200
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 23:41 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:53 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-10 05:22 -0700
              Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-10 11:41 +0000
                Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 14:47 +0200
                  Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:38 +0000
                    Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 20:28 +0200
                      Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 18:57 +0000
              Re:Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-10 20:04 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 15:57 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 16:12 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 16:20 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 16:51 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 17:37 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 11:00 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:18 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:06 +0200
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 07:22 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 07:35 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 08:05 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 08:10 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:13 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 21:26 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 14:32 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 21:38 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:41 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:48 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 09:48 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 08:56 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:09 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:03 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 18:17 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:23 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:48 +0000
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 11:09 -0400
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:12 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:38 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:00 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:49 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 21:44 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 15:21 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-05 22:55 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 20:58 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 14:26 +0200
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:18 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 17:04 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 10:11 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 13:27 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:01 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:40 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 13:20 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-10 21:08 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 14:25 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-11 11:09 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 15:22 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-11 11:07 +0000
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:55 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 18:42 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 11:19 +0000
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 10:54 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 19:19 +0200
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 21:57 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 12:56 +0200
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:45 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 18:46 +0200
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-07-08 11:01 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 05:00 +0200
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-07-09 07:03 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:05 +0000
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 16:32 +0200
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 13:25 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 06:04 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 04:39 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 21:21 +0200
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 07:11 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:35 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:36 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 14:55 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:27 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:36 +0000
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 13:18 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-10 21:06 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 15:21 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 22:17 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Ování Bodrého <urh@nwroen.ol> - 2018-07-11 10:59 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 16:54 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-11 17:39 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 11:04 +0000
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 10:59 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 10:53 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 17:21 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-12 19:48 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:37 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? nobody@nowhere.com - 2018-07-12 21:25 -0400
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:42 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-12 10:55 +0000
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 10:58 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-12 17:25 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-12 21:11 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 11:39 -0700
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-13 23:16 +0000
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-13 20:23 -0700
                                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Olin Hayton <toa@nahslao.nh> - 2018-07-14 14:50 +0000
                                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 22:14 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 07:53 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 08:05 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 11:28 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-05 14:48 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:08 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-07-06 00:08 +0200
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-07 09:24 +1000
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 16:48 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 12:43 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:23 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 10:13 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-07 18:24 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-09 09:01 +1000
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-07-07 21:09 +0200
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 18:17 +0000
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 11:35 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 18:48 +0000
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-05 12:04 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 12:58 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-05 13:51 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 10:57 +0000
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-06 04:45 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:41 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-06 13:59 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 00:51 +0000
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-06 22:25 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:30 +0000
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-07 03:31 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 21:54 -0700
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 23:53 -0700
    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 12:33 +0200
      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-07 05:36 -0700
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 15:35 +0000
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 09:40 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 09:52 -0700
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 19:57 +0000
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 14:35 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 14:47 -0700
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 23:42 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 21:59 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-07 22:15 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 22:26 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 23:19 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 14:39 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 23:31 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 23:46 -0700
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 14:36 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 14:46 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 05:42 +0200
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 21:43 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 22:12 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 10:53 +0000
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 10:49 -0700
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Juan Winfrey <ho@ehwhddlr.do> - 2018-07-10 17:58 +0000
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-10 11:28 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-08 05:51 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:55 +0200
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 13:16 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 15:19 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 13:14 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-08 13:40 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 03:07 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-08 23:00 -0700
                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 10:41 +0000
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:02 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 11:20 +0000
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:38 -0700
                              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 07:07 -0400
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-07-09 13:14 +0200
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:19 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 04:18 -0700
                                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 08:49 -0400
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 05:56 -0700
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 09:32 -0400
                                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 07:01 -0700
                                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-09 11:45 -0400
                                            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 09:18 -0700
                                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 08:45 -0700
                                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 14:09 -0700
                                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 11:20 +0000
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-08 09:48 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 04:59 -0700
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 13:15 +0000
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-07-09 06:19 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-09 07:19 -0700
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-10 03:46 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-10 08:58 -0700
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                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-09 18:38 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 12:00 -0700
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                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 22:45 +0000
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                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-07-09 09:07 +1000
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      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-07 18:21 +0200
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 11:07 -0700
          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 12:51 +0200
            Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 05:04 -0700
              Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 17:33 +0200
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 13:45 -0700
                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 06:36 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-09 05:35 -0700
                      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 15:32 +0200
                        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 13:38 +0000
                          Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 16:24 +0200
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                  Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 15:20 +0200
                    Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> - 2018-07-09 13:33 +0000
                Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 19:05 -0700
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      Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-07-10 07:40 +0200
        Re: Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ? Galin
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#463926

The ’nym-shifting troll posted gibberish as "Galin Itnik Uskanov"
<van@vovwuk.ac>:
     ^^^^^^^^^
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> xip1415926@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 12:36:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>>> wrote:
>>>>> [word salad]
>>>> Hopeless.
>>>
>>> You have zero understanding,
>>
>> LOL.  While you are only cluelessly blathering about physics online,
>> I am *studying* physics.
> 
> Too bad they aint giving out recognizable diplomas.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They do :)

*PLONK*

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#463934

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> The ’nym-shifting troll posted gibberish as "Galin Itnik Uskanov"
> <van@vovwuk.ac>:    ^^^^^^^^^
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> xip1415926@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 12:36:43 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars'
>>>> Lahn wrote: [word salad] Hopeless.
>>>>
>>>> You have zero understanding,
>>>
>>> LOL.  While you are only cluelessly blathering about physics online,
>>> I am *studying* physics.
>> 
>> Too bad they aint giving out recognizable diplomas.
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> They do *PLONK*

I don't understand. In a civilized industrial country, that kind of 
diplomas substitutes toilet paper. In shutdown areas, to remark.

You are not going to expect a job at the Large Hadron Collider, do you? 
That's an international place, to remark.

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#463837

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>     [I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks at rest
>      would in some way give wrong results.]
> 

If you are interested in my blog ( no one is ) best to google with quotes:

“length contraction blogspot”

My original version at 120 pages was much too long, partly because I dealt with all that Lorentz-Michelson stuff.  Now, at 18 pages it is still too long.  My first version dealt with your reference to E-1905 Section 1 entitled:

“§1. Definition of simultaneity”.

Yes, that is the title of Section 1.  No, Section 1 is not a definition of simultaneity. Simultaneity is not defined, hardly even mentioned as such.  Rather, the term is “at a definite time.”

Section 1 defines synchrony. Synchronous time on a mirror clock is given “by definition”.  My blog goes into this in some detail.

As you put it: [[ I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks at rest would in some way give wrong results.]] 

If signal speed from P to Q, i.e., P - x - Q is c, and returning from Q - x - P signal speed is also c, total time is:

t = ( 2 · x ) / c

( Conveniently here starting gun time at P is t = 0, which is not the case in Section 1. )

Synchronous time at Q is defined ( more or less ) as one half of that:

t = ½ · ( 2 · x ) / c = x / c

If the P-Q frame of reference is in relative motion, you may construe oneway speeds to be c – v and c + v.  Total time is then:

t = {( 2 · x ) / c} · g²

Synchronous time at turn around point Q is one half of that:

t = ½ · {( 2 · x ) / c} · g² = ( x / c ) · g²

Thus if you incorrectly say speeds are c each way, you write synchronous time as t = x / c when in fact you need t = ( x / c ) · g².  You are wrong to the second order in v / c.

Oneway synchrony involves a judgment of t = x / c versus t = x / ( c – v ) which boils down to a mistake in the first order of v / c, a much greater error.

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#463838

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> With “§1”, he is referring to the preceding section, “§1. Definition of
> simultaneity”.  As you will see soon, this definition is key as we define
> the length of an object as the spatial distance between its end points
> *at the same time* (i.e. simultaneously).
> 
>     [I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks at rest
>      would in some way give wrong results.]
> 

If you are interested in my blog ( no one is ) best to google with quotes:

“length contraction blogspot”

My original version at 120 pages was much too long, partly because I dealt with Lorentz-Michelson stuff.  Now, at 18 pages it is still too long.  My first version dealt with your reference to E-1905 Section 1 entitled:

“§1. Definition of simultaneity”.

Yes, that is the title of Section 1.  No, Section 1 is not a definition of simultaneity. Simultaneity is not defined, hardly even mentioned as such.  Rather, the term is “at a definite time.”

Section 1 defines synchrony. Synchronous time on a mirror clock is given “by definition”.  My blog goes into this in some detail.

As you put it: [[ I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks at rest would in some way give wrong results.]] 

I don’t think I said “at rest”.  The Paris_London clocks of Sir JJ are not at rest.  They are moving with the earth, which moves through the aether at speed v.

If signal speed from P to Q, i.e., P - x - Q is c, and returning from Q - x - P signal speed is also c, total time is:

t = ( 2 · x ) / c

( Conveniently here starting gun time at P is t = 0, which is not the case in Section 1. )

Synchronous time at Q is defined ( more or less ) as one half of that:

t = ½ · ( 2 · x ) / c = x / c

If the P-Q frame of reference is in relative motion, you may construe oneway speeds to be c – v and c + v.  Total time is then:

t = {( 2 · x ) / c} · g²

Synchronous time at turn around point Q is one half of that:

t = ½ · {( 2 · x ) / c} · g² = ( x / c ) · g²

Thus if you incorrectly say speeds are c each way, you write synchronous time as t = x / c when in fact you need t = ( x / c ) · g².  You are wrong to the second order in v / c.

Oneway synchrony involves a judgment of t = x / c versus t = x / ( c – v ) which boils down to a mistake in the first order of v / c, a much greater error.

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#463906

xip1415926@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
> wrote:>> of simultaneity”.  As you will see soon, this definition is key as we
>> define the length of an object as the spatial distance between its end
>> points *at the same time* (i.e. simultaneously).
>> 
>> [I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks at rest would in
>> some way give wrong results.]
> 
> If you are interested in my blog ( no one is )

I am not interested in your blog either, given the nonsense that you waste
my precious free time with here.

> “§1. Definition of simultaneity”.
> 
> Yes, that is the title of Section 1.  No, Section 1 is not a definition
> of simultaneity. Simultaneity is not defined, hardly even mentioned as
> such.

As I said, you are unable to read comprehensively, and then you are arguing
from a position of ignorance.  Hopeless.

> Rather, the term is “at a definite time.”

This phrase does not occur in the official translation of the paper.  The
only place in it where the words “definite” and “time” are juxtaposed, is in §3:

| […]
| If we put x' = x- vt, then it is clear that a point at rest in the system
| k has a definite, time-independent system of values x', y, z belonging to
          ^^^^^^^^  ^^^^
| it. […]

which means something completely different.

> Section 1 defines synchrony.

As clocks are the instruments that measure time, clocks provide a means to
determine simultaneity.  Spatially separated events are simultaneous if
spatially separated synchronized clocks show the same time when the events
happen, subtracting light-travel time.

> As you put it: [[ I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks
> at rest would in some way give wrong results.]]

<https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>

> I don’t think I said “at rest”.

But Einstein did, knowing from Galilei that “at rest” is relative: one
*defines* something to be at rest in order to determine the *relative*
motion of something else.  Usually, the observer of a motion defines
themselves to be at rest.

And therein lies the key: Every observer can define themselves to be at
rest.  If I say that I am at rest and your distance to me changes uniformly
with time, then I have to determine you to be in motion.  But you can
equally say that you are at rest and as my distance to you changes with time
in the same way, you would determine that I am in motion.  We are both
right, and there is no way to show that one of us is wrong in this regard.

Still, in a frame of reference that is defined to be at rest the speed of
light has been experimentally determined to be isotropic.  But if every
frame can be defined as the rest frame, then the speed of light has to be
the same in every frame of reference.

This leads to all the observed relativistic phenomena.

> The Paris_London clocks of Sir JJ are not at rest.

They are at rest on the surface of Terra.

> They are moving with the earth,

(Mostly) irrelevant.

> which moves through the aether at speed v.

As Einstein wrote in the paper that you do not understand: There is no
experimental evidence that there is an aether, and an aether is not
necessary to explain the observations.

> Thus if you incorrectly say speeds are c each way,

This is not incorrect, but has been experimentally confirmed a gazillion
times.  You simply have no clue.

> [word salad]

Hopeless.

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#463911

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> xip1415926@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
>> wrote:>> of simultaneity”.  As you will see soon, this definition is
>> key as we
>>> define the length of an object as the spatial distance between its end
>>> points *at the same time* (i.e. simultaneously).
>>> 
>>> [I cannot fathom why you think that synchronous clocks at rest would
>>> in some way give wrong results.]
>> 
>> If you are interested in my blog ( no one is )
> 
> I am not interested in your blog either, given the nonsense that you
> waste my precious free time with here.

Sure, there we have wikipedia.

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#463853

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> IOW, the equations of 1892 and 1895 are *equivalent to each other* and
> *to what Einstein found independently* in 1905 (without assuming an aether).
> 

I am referring to equation (24) of §22 of Lorentz: Attempt of a Theory ( 1895 ), Wikisource, which is: 

x = x′ · 1/g = x′ · sqrt(1 – v²/c²) 

Preliminary verbiage ( very obscure ) suggests that roles of primed/unprimed are the reverse of what we use today, in which case we have: 

x′= 1/g · x 

What Lorentz means by this is unclear.  As a valid length contraction equation, meter sticks on the right and left hand sides must be identical, i.e., unprimed and primed meter sticks must be identical.  But meter sticks of the LT’s are taken from frames K and K′, and are mismatched. Then variables x and x′ cannot be used for length comparison. 
 
Lorentz has a rigid body composed of “ions”.  The size ( length ) of the longitudinal arm of the MMX is then a count of ions.  Stationary, that is x, i.e., x spherical ions. Forced through the “aether” these spherical ions are compressed into ellipsoids. 

How long then is the moving arm of the MMX?  Its ion count has not changed: 

x′= x 

But each ion is longitudinally smaller (an ellipsoid ), so overall length is ( x′ is judged by the stationary meter stick ): 

x′= 1/g · x 

Einstein’s Appendix 1 of 1920 has “unit measuring-rods” related approximately as follows, where a unit distance on the left is understood in terms of the unit distance on the right: 

Δx′= 1/g · 1 

The primed ( moving ) unit measuring-rod is the shorter than the stationary unit-rod. 

Here’s the thing: 

If you put Lorentz’s ion objects side-by-side, you find the primed ( moving ) MMX arm is less extensive than the stationary arm, due to aether compression of ions.  In other words, x and x′ are not at the same place. 

Einstein’s unit measuring-rods do not work that way.  Write the classical Lorentz Transform: 

x′= g · ( x – v · t ) 

We now have event space.  The LT’s require it. In other words, x′ ~ x are an event, that is one point in space, whereas Lorentz’s x′ ~ x are not the same location in space and hence not an event. 

Put t = 0. 

x′= g · x 

x′ > x 

At spatial event location x′ ~ x, we have x′ > x.  That’s because the unit measuring-rod doing x′ is smaller than the unit measuring-rod doing x.  Appendix 1 almost certainly uses this logic. 

Of course, x′ > x is not contraction.   

You have contraction if you take a “rigid body” out of frame K ( stationary ) and put it in frame K′ ( moving ). Using the measuring-rod of frame K, and from the point of view of frame K, you can describe the rigid body in frame K′ as ( per Lorentz 1895 ): 

x′= 1/g · x 

But as stated, for length comparison, x′ on the left hand side must be reported by the measuring rod of frame K, whereas Lorentz Transformation requires ( on the left hand side ) the unit-rod of frame K′. 

Einstein never writes a length contraction equation.  In E-1905 Section 4 he has a “rigid sphere”.  It is observed in motion.  The stationary guy finds that the longitudinal axis has shrunk up and he observes an ellipsoid, which fact Einstein expresses by verbalizing a ratio: 

1 : ( 1 / g ) 

Both sides are perceived by the stationary guy and mixed variables x and x′ are avoided.

Of course, frames K and K′ are three dimensional: X,Y,Z and X′,Y′,Z′.  Meter sticks of X,Y,Z are all alike and frame K is isotropic.  The meter stick X′ is shorter than its counterparts on Y′ and Z′, also shorter than the meter stick in frame K.  Thus frame K′ is anisotropic.  Einstein does not use the term. 

The literature of SRT ( spezielle Relativitätstheorie ) hardly ever mentions an anisotropic frame. 

In 1911, Vladimir Varićak undertook wild gyrations, parkoured his person, did the Fosbury Flip and danced thé dansant. 

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#463991

On 09/07/18 01:33, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> xip1415926@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> so that is in modern notation
> 
>    x' = c∕√(c² − v²)        (x − v t)
>    x' = c∕√(c² (1 − v²∕c²)) (x − v t)
>       = c∕(c √(1 − v²∕c²))  (x − v t)
>       = 1∕   √(1 − v²∕c²)   (x − v t)
>    x' =                     (x − v t)∕√(1 − v²∕c²)
>    x' = γ                   (x − v t).
> 
> Lorentz "changed" this in 1895 to
> 
>          𝓍 = x' √(1 − 𝔭²∕V²),
> 
> which is in modern notation
> 
>    x − v t = x' √(1 − v²∕c²).
> 
> Note that in 1892 x' was on the left-hand side and 𝓍 = x − v t was the
> factor on the right-hand side; while in 1895 𝓍 is on the left-hand side
> and x' is the factor on the right-hand side.
> 
> If we solve this for x', we have
> 
>        x − v t = x' √(1 − v²∕c²) = x'∕γ
>    γ (x − v t) = x'
>             x' = γ (x − v t).
> 
> IOW, the equations of 1892 and 1895 are *equivalent to each other* and
> *to what Einstein found independently* in 1905 (without assuming an aether).
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lorentz_transformations#Lorentz_(1892,_1895)>

Complete and utter nonsense!
A rod DEFINES an absolute and invariant spatial interval. Neither the rod nor that interval is affected in any way by a 
speed change.
The speed of light has nothing at all to do with this.

    HGW

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#464011

HGW <HW@home.net> wrote:
> On 09/07/18 01:33, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> xip1415926@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> so that is in modern notation
>> 
>> x' = c∕√(c² − v²)        (x − v t)
>> x' = c∕√(c² (1 − v²∕c²)) (x − v t)
>> = c∕(c √(1 − v²∕c²))  (x − v t)
>> = 1∕   √(1 − v²∕c²)   (x − v t)
>> x' =                     (x − v t)∕√(1 − v²∕c²)
>> x' = γ                   (x − v t).
>> 
>> Lorentz "changed" this in 1895 to
>> 
>> 𝓍 = x' √(1 − 𝔭²∕V²),
>> 
>> which is in modern notation
>> 
>> x − v t = x' √(1 − v²∕c²).
>> 
>> Note that in 1892 x' was on the left-hand side and 𝓍 = x − v t was the
>> factor on the right-hand side; while in 1895 𝓍 is on the left-hand side
>> and x' is the factor on the right-hand side.
>> 
>> If we solve this for x', we have
>> 
>> x − v t = x' √(1 − v²∕c²) = x'∕γ
>> γ (x − v t) = x'
>> x' = γ (x − v t).
>> 
>> IOW, the equations of 1892 and 1895 are *equivalent to each other* and
>> *to what Einstein found independently* in 1905 (without assuming an aether).
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lorentz_transformations#Lorentz_(1892,_1895)>
> 
> Complete and utter nonsense!
> A rod DEFINES an absolute and invariant spatial interval. 

Old lie repeated. 

Very stale by now. 

> Neither the rod nor that interval is affected in any way by a 
> speed change.
> The speed of light has nothing at all to do with this.
> 
>    HGW
> 
> 
> 



-- 
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#463980

Ugly hair.

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#464020

On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 6:25:37 AM UTC-5, CENTRINO wrote:
> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?

It might be because nothing he did is productive(spare me the GPS stuff). Where can I get a job with SR and GR experience, outside of academia?

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#464023

mikedwy@aol.com Wrote in message:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 6:25:37 AM UTC-5, CENTRINO wrote:
>> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> 
> It might be because nothing he did is productive(spare me the GPS stuff). 

I will not accuse you for a lie, it must be just ignorance.

Current energetics relies much on solar energy, that is based on
 his work on photoelectric  effect and the concept of 
 photon.

Even applied quantum  physics and chemistry relies a lot on his 
 work in their foundations.

I bet results of your own work is used much less than his, so
 according to your idea, you should be hated much more... 
 ;-)

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#464049

Libor Striz wrote:

> Current energetics relies much on solar energy, that is based on
>  his work on photoelectric  effect and the concept of photon.

Preserving doing mistakes in physics, will not make you look better. 
Whatever "effect" would be involved, that's just a set of Laws of Nature 
used in Math Modelling of multi-Physics (several interfaces). 

You are obsessed with "effects", which strongly indicates inexperience and 
going fishing.

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#464057

Galin
 Itnik
 Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> Wrote in message:
> Libor Striz wrote:
> 
>> Current energetics relies much on solar energy, that is based on
>>  his work on photoelectric  effect and the concept of photon.
> 
> Preserving doing mistakes in physics, will not make you look better. 
> Whatever "effect" would be involved, that's just a set of Laws of Nature 
> used in Math Modelling of multi-Physics (several interfaces). 
> 
> You are obsessed with "effects", which strongly indicates inexperience and 
> going fishing.
> 

You are obsessed by trolling.
-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
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#464080

Libor Striz wrote:

> Galin
>  Itnik Uskanov <van@vovwuk.ac> Wrote in message:
>> Libor Striz wrote:
>> 
>>> Current energetics relies much on solar energy, that is based on
>>>  his work on photoelectric  effect and the concept of photon.
>> 
>> Preserving doing mistakes in physics, will not make you look better.
>> Whatever "effect" would be involved, that's just a set of Laws of
>> Nature used in Math Modelling of multi-Physics (several interfaces).
>> You are obsessed with "effects", which strongly indicates inexperience
>> and going fishing.
>
> You are obsessed by trolling.

If that was "trolling", you went fishing indeed. "effect", "concept" you 
are just fishing in prohibited areas. Which is deeply illegal, 
undemocratic and against human rights.

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#464032

<mikedwy@aol.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 6:25:37 AM UTC-5, CENTRINO wrote:
>> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> 
> It might be because nothing he did is productive(spare me the GPS stuff).
> Where can I get a job with SR and GR experience, outside of academia?
> 

That depends on what you think the point of science is. Contrary to what
some people think, science and technology are not the same thing, and
practical application is not the objective of fundamental science, nor
should it be. 

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Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#464086

mikedwy wrote:

> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 6:25:37 AM UTC-5, CENTRINO wrote:
>> Why so many do hate Albert Einstein in this group ?
> 
> It might be because nothing he did is productive(spare me the GPS
> stuff). Where can I get a job with SR and GR experience, outside of
> academia?

Define SR/GR experience.

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#464112

Killed 100,000 Japanese women, children and their pets (puppies-kittens).

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#464123

Extremely bad breath.

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#464139

He did not take a bath regularly nor did he use toilet paper properly.

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