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Re: Should we synchronize clocks

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Should we synchronize clocks
Date 2025-09-24 07:47 +0200
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Am Dienstag000023, 23.09.2025 um 12:54 schrieb Python:
> Le 23/09/2025 à 09:59, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> Am Montag000022, 22.09.2025 um 22:09 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>> Den 22.09.2025 08:44, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>> Am Sonntag000021, 21.09.2025 um 11:50 schrieb Python:
>>>>> Le 21/09/2025 à 10:44, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'showing' is meant as reference to our use of the human organs 
>>>>>> called 'eyes'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These organs detect signals from remote locations by means of 
>>>>>> light, which travels from there to here (where we are as observers).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This trip does in fact need some amount of time, hence we see 
>>>>>> remote clocks with a little delay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would mean:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if we see t'=t than both clocks are out of synch.
>>>
>>> Right.
>>> That's why there are no visual observations
>>> of remote clocks in Einstein's definition of simultaneity.
>>
>> If so, then how could the observer in 'A' possibly know what clocks in 
>> 'B' show?
>>
>> There had to be some sort of communication or observation between A 
>> and B, because otherwise the entire operation wouldn't make sense.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You have been told this a _lot_ of times by Python, me and others.
>>> Why do you never learn?
>>>
>>> quote from § 1. Definition of Simultaneity
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>> | "If at the point A of space there is a clock, an observer
>>> |  at A can determine the time values of events in the immediate
>>> |  proximity of A by finding the positions of the hands which
>>> |  are simultaneous with these events.
>>> |  If there is at the point B of space another clock in all
>>> |  respects resembling the one at A, it is possible for an observer
>>> |  at B to determine the time values of events in the immediate
>>> |  neighbourhood of B."
>>>
>>> An observer at A can determine the time value of the clock at A.
>>> An observer at B can determine the time value of the clock at B.
>>> Local observations only!
>>>
>>
>> Sure, but how do you synchronize clocks with only local observations?
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Exact. This is why Einstein's synchronization checking formula is 
>>>>> NOT t'_A = t_B (this would mean what you spotted as wrong) but t'_A 
>>>>> - t_B = t_B - t_A.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But this equation would be wrong, if A and B move.
>>>>
>>>> In this case the time for transit of the signal wouldn't be equal on 
>>>> both ways (towards the remote station and back).
>>>
>>> If the distance between the clocks changes with time,
>>> then the clocks can't be synchronous.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> I see no particular reason, why 'in synch' couldn't be defined for 
>> moving clocks.
>>
>>> The clocks in Einstein's definition of simultaneity
>>> are stationary in the same frame of reference.
>>
>> Well, OK, but that wouldn't solve the problem of synchronization.
>>
>> To synch a remote clock to the own time, you would need to tell the 
>> remote observer, to which time he had to turn the knobs of his clock.
>>
>> So: how could that be done, if there is no communication?
>>
>>>>
>>>> To make this equation valid, Einstein had to restrict the field of 
>>>> application to no-moving stations.
>>>>
>>>> So, let's be generous and assume, that he actually meant that 
>>>> restriction and simply forgot to write it down.
>>>
>>> He didn't forget to write it down. See quotation above.
>>>
>>> "If at the point A of space there is a clock"
>>> "If there is at the point B of space another clock"
>>>
>>> In more modern nomenclature we will use "frame of reference"
>>> in stead of "space".
>>
>> 'frame of reference' means 'space plus a measure of time'.
>>
>> So 'space' and 'frame of reference' are not meant to be synonymous.
>>
>>>>
>>>> So: now we have two stations (A and B), which do not move in respect 
>>>> to each other.
>>>>
>>>> Now we still have two disconnected clocks in A and B and want to 
>>>> synchronize them.
>>>
>>> No, Einstein will not synchronise them, he will see if
>>> they are synchronous.
>>
>> How, if he can't observe the remote clock?
> 
> Which of these proposition are true?
> 
> - You don't read the posts you're answering to
> - You are abysmally stupid
> - You are utterly dishonest
> 
> Note that they are not mutually exclusive.
> 
> 

Your answer didn't address the topic, which was 'synchronization of two 
remote clocks' and whether or not Einstein's method was appropriate.

I wrote:

no, Einstein's method as described in his article of 1905 'On the 
electrodynamics of moving bodies' was nonsense and would not work.

I gave you numerous hints, why I would think that way.

And all you have to reply was your question, whether or not I'm stupid.

If you like to defend Einstein's position, you should somehow address 
the problem and answer my own question, how you could possibly 
snchronize clocks by Einstein's method.

In short:

Einstein wanted to send a light pulse from A to B and then wanted

t'_A - t_B = t_B - t_A

to be valid.

t'_A and t_A are measured by the clock in A and t_B by the clock in B.


So, now we have to do the method in 'practise' (theoretically):

1) A sends a light pulse from A towards B

2) B recoginzes this pulse at time t_B

3) B reflects the signal back towards A

4) A receives the reflected pulse at time t'_A


Now it's our aim to set the clock at B synchronous to A-time.

(the other way round would also be possible, but not both ways at the 
same time)

This could be done by sending a coded signal from A to B, which contains 
the time, to which the clock at B needs to be set.

BUT: that was NOT Einstein's method.

Instead Einstein wanted, that the condition t'_A - t_B = t_B - t_A would 
be fullfilled.

But how could that be done, if B does not know the correct value in 
measures of 'A-time', to which his clock had to be set???

As you see from above: B is involved in the process only very briefly 
when B receives a little 'beep' (or in case of light a little flash).

That's it!

Now what should B do with this 'beep'????

Or in other words: how could B possibly extract t_B from a single 
'beep'???????


TH


>

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                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-10-04 07:42 +0200
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                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2025-10-04 22:39 +0000
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                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-29 22:19 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 21:21 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-30 08:07 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-27 08:32 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 18:43 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 21:18 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 19:21 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 21:36 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 19:43 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 23:06 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 23:04 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-25 07:00 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-25 06:56 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-25 09:52 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-25 20:16 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-25 23:36 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Tibor Jaskolski <kso@ii.pl> - 2025-09-25 07:16 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-26 08:36 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 07:10 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-09-23 21:02 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-23 15:16 -0700
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-24 08:08 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-09-24 22:17 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 23:10 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:12 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:14 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-09-24 23:30 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-09-23 21:03 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-23 21:57 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:20 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 00:07 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:10 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 07:34 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:16 +0000
      Re: Should we synchronize clocks guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:44 +0200
        Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-22 13:03 +0200
          Re: Should we synchronize clocks guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:52 +0200
            Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-25 23:41 +0200
              Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-26 09:09 +0200
        Re: Should we synchronize clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-09-22 14:12 +0200
          Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-22 15:05 +0200
  Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-19 10:23 -0700
    Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-22 22:20 -0700
      Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 22:27 -0700
        Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-22 23:00 -0700

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