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Re: Should we synchronize clocks

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Should we synchronize clocks
Date 2025-09-24 08:08 +0200
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Am Dienstag000023, 23.09.2025 um 21:02 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
...
> Note this:
> -----------
> There is no "Einstein's method for synchronising clocks".
> There is only "Einstein's definition of simultaneity",
> which makes it possible to determine if clocks are synchronous.
> 
> 
> quote from § 1. Definition of Simultaneity
> -------------------------------------------
> | "If at the point A of space there is a clock, an observer
> |  at A can determine the time values of events in the immediate
> |  proximity of A by finding the positions of the hands which
> |  are simultaneous with these events.
> |  If there is at the point B of space another clock in all
> |  respects resembling the one at A, it is possible for an observer
> |  at B to determine the time values of events in the immediate
> |  neighbourhood of B."
> 
> An observer at A can determine the time value of the clock at A.
> An observer at B can determine the time value of the clock at B.
> Local observations only!
> 
> 
> quote from § 1. Definition of Simultaneity
> -------------------------------------------
> | "But it is not possible without further assumption to compare,
> |  in respect of time, an event at A with an event at B.
> |  We have so far defined only an “A time” and a “B time.”
> 
> The German word "Festsetzung" is translated with "assumption".
> A better translation would be "definition".
> 
> So we have to make further _definitions_:
> 
> quote from § 1. Definition of Simultaneity
> -------------------------------------------
> | "We have not defined a common “time” for A and B, for
> |  the latter cannot be defined at all unless we establish
> |  by definition that the “time” required by light to travel
> |  from A to B equals the “time” it requires to travel from
> |  B to A."


If time is local, you can't have 'common time'.

'Common time' would require something already excluded:
'absolute space' and 'absolute time'.

A more geometrical explanation for this problem goes like this:

Definition of 'vertical'.

We have 'New York' and a vertical line there and we have 'Paris' and a 
vertical line there, too, but we have no vertical line, which is 
vertical in New York and Paris as well.


Sure, that is true, but because no such line could exist.


> That means that _by definition_, the light _always_ uses the
> same time to go from A to B as it uses to go from from B to A.

This is also a 'circular definition', because time is defined by means 
of time (t_A, t_B and t'_A).

To break this 'vicious circle' Einstein wrote, that time would be what 
his clock says (what is nonsense, because time does not come from 
clocks, let alone Einstein's wrist watch).


> However, we must use clocks to measure these times.
> 
> So we must add:
> Clocks are synchronous if they simultaneously show the same.
> (That's what "synchronous" means!)

If they simultaneously show the same time, that shown time could not be 
'A-time' and 'B-time' simultaneously.

You need to decide to which time you would like to set which clock.

That could violate 'A-time' or 'B-time' or both.

But the definition by Einstein made no statements, to which time he 
wanted to set which clock.


> Now anybody can figure out a method to see if the clocks
> are synchronous.
> 
> I will describe a method which is slightly different from Einstein's.
> In my version A and B are symmetrical.
> 
> 1.1. The observer at A sends a light pulse towards B when
>       his clock shows tA.
> 1.2  The observer at B note that his clock shows t'B when
>       the light pulse hits his light detector.
> 
> 2.1. The observer at B sends a light pulse towards A when
>       his clock shows tB.
> 2.2. The observer at A note that his clock shows t'A when
>       the pulse hits his light detector.
> 
> When these four measurements are made, the observers communicate
> through an appropriate medium (shouting, radio, optic fibre,
> snail mail, whatever)  and analyse the measurements.


Where have you found 'snail mail' or any of the other terms in 
Einstein's paper?

You did, what tons of others did and simply added, what you regard as 
'obvious'.

But that's not allowed, since we are talking about a very specific 
paper, which was printed long ago and not about what you think.



...


TH

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                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-26 08:36 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 07:10 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-09-23 21:02 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-23 15:16 -0700
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-24 08:08 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-09-24 22:17 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 23:10 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:12 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:14 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-09-24 23:30 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-09-23 21:03 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-23 21:57 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-23 20:20 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 00:07 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:10 +0000
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-24 07:34 +0200
                Re: Should we synchronize clocks Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:16 +0000
      Re: Should we synchronize clocks guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:44 +0200
        Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-22 13:03 +0200
          Re: Should we synchronize clocks guido wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:52 +0200
            Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-25 23:41 +0200
              Re: Should we synchronize clocks Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-26 09:09 +0200
        Re: Should we synchronize clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-09-22 14:12 +0200
          Re: Should we synchronize clocks Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-22 15:05 +0200
  Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-19 10:23 -0700
    Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-22 22:20 -0700
      Re: Should we synchronize clocks "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 22:27 -0700
        Re: Should we synchronize clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-09-22 23:00 -0700

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