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Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course
Date	2017-01-16 06:57 +0100
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Am 15.01.2017 20:21, schrieb Reid Schaffner:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>> Initially I had tried to use a quaternion formula for rotation:
>>
>> v' = q * v * q^-1
>
> Okay, write down your algorithm. Pseudocode is fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternions_and_spatial_rotation

I assume a certain mechanism acting in nature and try to show, this is 
actually the case.

The idea is, to take 'elements' of spacetime and let them interact as if 
they would rotate each other.

'Element' is meant as pointlike, but not a point.

It could be understood as having zero extension in time and space, but 
being a real 'thing'.

This is assumed to behave a little similar to a cogwheel with unusual 
features. The rotation is 'antisymmetric' and it takes two turns to return.

Antisymmetric means: the 'cogwheel' twists the other in the wrong 
direction (with it).

These things have an orientation into which they would 'move'.

Actually 'space' and 'time' are comoving with the observer.

So all the structures comoving are regarded as things, while all other 
are regarded as waves or field.

(If the axis of time is rotated, then other structures are stable and a 
different space appears, filled with other things.)

Now I try to show, this mechanism does in fact occur in nature.

One possibility is group theory and the group SO(3) (rotation group) and 
show it's similarity to natural phenomena.

One other is cosmology and in trying to relate certain phenomena to 
regions where the axis of time is rotated (black holes for instance).

But we have also complex numbers, which could somehow be understood as 
rotation angle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula

Now I want to make this rotation about a plain more 'volumetric', hence 
use similar construct in volume.

This would lead to what I have depicted on page 90 of my text:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/present#slide=id.i758

(Page 90 from my 'book' here:
https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 )

This picture should show, what matter actually is.

It is a three dimensional simplification and a horizontal circle has to 
understood as a sphere.

These cones for m=0 are the light cones and the inner and out cones are 
therefore atoms (core and shell).

As prove of concept I tried to prove 'Growing Earth'.

(I have spent actually more time on that than on my 'book'.)

This would prove, that matter is 'relativistic', hence dependent on the 
FoR and could vanish without a trace or could pop out of nowhere.

TH

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E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-29 11:35 -0800
  Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Demetrice Barren <teercere@tmerunin.tme> - 2016-12-29 22:28 +0000
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    Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 10:00 +0000
      Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-30 22:19 +0100
        Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 21:27 +0000
          Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-12-31 06:23 +0100
            Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-02 08:16 +0100
              Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-02 04:59 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-03 04:28 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-03 05:16 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-03 19:25 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-03 13:52 -0800
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                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-07 08:15 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-07 08:10 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-07 22:24 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-07 21:52 +0000
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                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-08 11:29 +0000
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-08 11:30 +0000
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-08 11:32 +0000
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-08 12:01 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-08 22:49 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-08 14:57 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-09 06:05 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-09 03:35 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-10 06:52 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-10 04:41 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-11 04:43 +0100
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                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-11 16:40 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-12 07:46 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-12 05:06 -0800
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-12 18:33 +0100
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                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-14 07:43 +0100
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                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-13 20:51 +0100
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-14 17:17 +0000
                Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-14 20:58 +0100
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